Hilary is just great

Gods_FatherHaha I guess you're fine with illegals voting then.

1. they don't

2. doesn't fucking matter if they vote. you guys have 300 million citizens and you picked the two shittiest dummy giraffes in the retard safari to represent your country. way to go fuckwits.

S.J.WClearly you didn't watch the video. Out of over a billion votes cast there was 951 votes that could be classified as voter fraud. Majority were due to social security number mix ups or technical errors. 31 votes couldn't be accounted for. 31 out of a billion votes. Loving your cognitive dissonance here :). If only you were more worried about political donations from superpacs and lobbyers that influence how legislators vote than 31 votes that don't make a difference

The Washington post commented in an article on a Harvard study about non citizens voting and said, "most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races."

More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples of the study indicated that they were registered to vote. Some voted...
"Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010,"

S.J.WIf only you were more worried about political donations from superpacs and lobbyers that influence how legislators vote than 31 votes that don't make a difference

Thought you're voting for Hillary?

Gods_FatherThe Washington post commented in an article on a Harvard study about non citizens voting and said, "most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races."

More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples of the study indicated that they were registered to vote. Some voted...
"Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010,"

You're referring to this article yes? To where they explain limitations to the study and didn't single out illegal immigrants but rather non citizens. There's a difference. But as far as I'm concerned if you live in a country and you pay taxes you should be allowed to vote. I know the real reason you don't want non citizens to vote. Non citizens vote democrat and you don't like that. What if non citizens tended to vote republican?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/

Gods_FatherThought you're voting for Hillary?

Actually I'm a Bernie supporter. He vowed to over turn citizens United. But Hillary is the lesser of two evils and has said she will over turn citizens United.

S.J.WActually I'm a Bernie supporter. He vowed to over turn citizens United. But Hillary is the lesser of two evils and has said she will over turn citizens United.

ur fuckin strayan cunt go wank a roo u don't have a say

GORILLAWALLACEur fuckin strayan cunt go wank a roo u don't have a say

yes because Americans have always stayed out of other countries politics???

S.J.Wyes because Americans have always stayed out of other countries politics???

I've come to the conclusion that if im going to vote for one of the two it will be Trump, purely because there is an actual chance that he could do a good job. Hillary is guaranteed to be completely terrible. I feel like if trump does a bad job, he might be downright dangerous and do more harm to the US than Hillary, but between the two, he seems like the only one that has some potential to do a reasonably good job as president.
And between the two, yes trump is a dick, but hillary is just pure fucking evil

Its hard to make an actual educated decision because you cant trust a word out of either of their mouths, everything is bullshit, I probably agree more with trump but I cant trust that what he says is his actual intent. I feel like I have to resort to who i feel is less of a psychopath evil person, and base my decision on that.

S.J.WClearly you didn't watch the video. Out of over a billion votes cast there was 951 votes that could be classified as voter fraud. Majority were due to social security number mix ups or technical errors. 31 votes couldn't be accounted for. 31 out of a billion votes. Loving your cognitive dissonance here :). If only you were more worried about political donations from superpacs and lobbyers that influence how legislators vote than 31 votes that don't make a difference

Yes, I think it is far more concerning how much power superpacs and lobbyists have over the common person; they put these candidates on a pedestal for a reason. Suppressing voting rights is of course detrimental to freedom of choice, but the elections have always been sideed with the corporate elites anyway. When are people going to understand that playing the system isn't going to work anymore.

onenerdykidAs I've said numerous times in numerous threads, I don't think Hillary is the best candidate for POTUS. She is a goon and I don't like her. She looks like Star Wars villain. But she isn't about to lead civilization off a cliff. And when I said "keep the ball rolling in the general direction" was more of a nod to the improvements that Obama has made over Bush to keep us away from said cliff. Again, not perfect, but headed in the right direction which I can say and also not be in favor of the TPP. I fully agree with you on that last point.

But you couldn't be more wrong about his stance with the LGBT community- he is in favor of the First Amendment Defense Act (FADA) which allows LGBT people to be more subject to discrimination. He also prefers that marriage be defined as man and woman because he's a "traditional guy" and would "strongly consider" appointing SCOTUS judges who would overturn the same-sex marriage decision.

http://www.hrc.org/2016RepublicanFacts/donald-trump-opposes-nationwide-marriage-equality

Trump is a racist because he makes judgments based solely on people's race, not what they've actually done- it doesn't get more textbook than that. Saying that a US judge cannot preside over his lawsuit because he is of Mexican heritage is a complete ad hominem attack lacking any evidence of actual bias. He's not wearing a white hood, but that is a racist statement and he makes them all the time. And this was not a single, out-of-character moment- he makes these statements often and repeatedly. Yes, some are taken out of context by an insane media, but to say that Trump is not a racist fails to objectively examine his statements.

Trump has also embraced the Republican positions of voter ID laws and restricting voter registration, both of which set back a US citizen's Constitutionally protected voting rights. The fiascoes with the primaries are different yet related- we should be making it easier for citizens to vote. It's absolutely clear that work can be done by both sides, but Trump (and the Republicans) are actively pursuing ways to make it harder for US citizens to register and be able to vote.

Additionally, prior to 2015, Trump held a plethora of different opinions and he's changed them all now. He was pro-choice, now he's pro-life; he was a fan of Obama, now he's not; he thought the wealthy should pay more in taxes, now he thinks they should pay less, he used to favor more gun control, now he favors less, etc. etc. He's no different than any other typical politician who flip-flops to earn votes. This is not a quality that only belongs to Hillary. And frankly, I really don't care what politicians thought 10-years ago. I care about what they are running on/for now, and while Hillary is far from perfect, Trump is closer to "worst".

After doing a bit of research, I can honestly say I agree with you on many of your key points. However, I will not vote for the lesser of two evils. And believe me Hilary will create more tension with Russia and Iran; she's even called Iranians her enemies, which is pretty crazy. Her foreign policy is a joke; her past involvements in Libya and her voting records on defense budgets and military involvements in other sovereign countries leads me to believe she is just another marionette for the corporate elite. I'll probably vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, I don't know.

TheFlyingJewthis mother fucker needs to be jailed

he has raped more women than Bill Cosby and is a sick fuck that is a danger to society

how much drugs was Wild Bill on during this speech? a few months ago the guy looked practically dead and people were questioning his health




https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/833740/HE--39-S-ELECTRIC--Full-Bill-Clinton-Speech---Democratic-National-Convention

Bill has been on Jeffrey Epstein’s boeing 727 on 11 occasions. That's all you need to know.

S.J.WActually I'm a Bernie supporter. He vowed to over turn citizens United. But Hillary is the lesser of two evils and has said she will over turn citizens United.

She won't overturn citizens united, even if she says she will. She's a liar don't you know.

Also, Hilary isn't the lesser of two evils. She's spearheaded war crimes in Libya by enabling the ethnic cleansing of black Libyans. She helped to arm the rebels who as we know are linked to various terrorist organizations, including Al Qaeda. People ask, "well what was the reason for arming these groups?' Oil and the concern of Qaddafi changing over to the gold dinar, which was a threat to western financial establishment. We then hear countless falsified stories about Qaddafi administering Viagra to his troops for mass rape, LOL, that doesn't sound like propaganda at all. Libyan officials knew before Hilary even started to arm these opposition groups that the result would be a safe-haven foe terrorist groups like ISIS of which it stands today. Hilary even thought it was funny that Qaddafi was sodomized and then bludgeoned to death.

Hilary was also responsible for the death of four Americans and had the audacity to blame it on a YouTube video. Not only that but she was instrumental in arming terrorist organizations in Syria, she even criticized Obama for not funding and arming these rebel groups at a faster pace. Nevertheless, arming them at any rate was a huge mistake.

She also defended the rapist of a 12 year old girl and knew that he was guilty, even laughed that he passed the polygraph test. She also was against gay marriage and the LGBT community, until recent, Saudi Arabia also dumped millions of dollars into the Clinton foundation and we all know how fond they are of human rights.

fuckmekevinShe won't overturn citizens united, even if she says she will. She's a liar don't you know.

She actually cannot herself, but her Supreme Court justice nominees can.

fuckmekevinAfter doing a bit of research, I can honestly say I agree with you on many of your key points. However, I will not vote for the lesser of two evils. And believe me Hilary will create more tension with Russia and Iran; she's even called Iranians her enemies, which is pretty crazy. Her foreign policy is a joke; her past involvements in Libya and her voting records on defense budgets and military involvements in other sovereign countries leads me to believe she is just another marionette for the corporate elite. I'll probably vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, I don't know.

And I can't argue against the points you bring up about Hillary- they're most likely all true and I have no argument to the contrary. But, we do have to remember that politics has never been about idealism. It is about being pragmatic and practical. And because of that, we need to make compromises to best arrive at a solution that resembles our idea of justice as closely as possible.

Here is a great quote from an interesting article: http://qz.com/717255/ethicists-say-voting-with-your-heart-without-a-care-about-the-consequences-is-actually-immoral/

“The purpose of voting is not to express your fidelity to a worldview. It’s not to wave a flag or paint your face in team colors; it’s to produce outcomes,” says Jason Brennan, a philosopher at Georgetown University and author of The Ethics of Voting. “If they’re smart, they’ll vote for the candidate likely to best produce the outcome they want. That might very well be compromising, but if voting for a far-left or far-right candidate means that you’re just going to lose the election, then you’ve brought the world further away from justice rather than closer to it.”

In 2000, when many of us old farts got to vote for the first time, we voted for our ideal candidate (Nader) and it actually screwed us all over big time and we (us, the USA, the world) got stuck with G.W. Bush, one of the worst Presidents in American history. We can't afford to make the same mistake in 2016, with Trump who will without a doubt be worse than Bush. We need to get all efforts concentrated to ensure his defeat, because historically, this type of leader is always a very bad thing.

The lesser of two evils is never a good spot to be in. But when we are in that scenario, like now, we need to make sure we bring the world closer to justice rather than vote for an ideal candidate who will simply increase the chances of the worst option actually becoming a reality.

S.J.WBut as far as I'm concerned if you live in a country and you pay taxes you should be allowed to vote.


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So it's a financial issue with you? If an illegal has paid money to the government they should be allowed to vote or be granted citizenship? Hahaha without any immigration policy? Wow...

Gods_FatherSo it's a financial issue with you? If an illegal has paid money to the government they should be allowed to vote or be granted citizenship? Hahaha without any immigration policy? Wow...

I think he's just making the general point of if you pay taxes, then you should be allowed to vote since you're funding the government and they are using your money for state purposes and you should have your say in how that money gets used.

For example, I pay a lot in taxes here in Austria (and I do receive lots of benefits, like free healthcare) but I am not allowed to vote in elections because I am not a citizen, I'm only a resident. In order to vote, I would need to become a citizen and in order to do that I would need to surrender my US passport, which is not going to happen. So while I live here and pay just as much taxes as normal citizens, I cannot vote for how my taxes get used which I honestly think is bullshit.


And just to put it on the table, I think it's important to note that illegal immigrants paid $11.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2013 (most recent data I could find):

"Like everyone else in the United States, they pay sales taxes. They also pay property taxes—even if they rent. As a report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) points out, “the best evidence suggests that at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households currently file income tax returns using Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs), and many who do not file income tax returns still have taxes deducted from their paychecks.” The end result is that undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollars each year in taxes."

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/taxes-paid-by-undocumented-immigrants

Gods_FatherSo it's a financial issue with you? If an illegal has paid money to the government they should be allowed to vote or be granted citizenship? Hahaha without any immigration policy? Wow...

What's the difference between an immigrant and a citizen? Where you were born. If you are a permanent resident who is affected by the outcome of the election you should be allowed to vote in the election. And I don't know how you think allowing immigrants to vote in an election is not having an immigration policy. How did they get into the country to begin with? Via fucking immigrating. Allowing permanent residents to vote in an election does not infringe up immigration policy. how you connected the two is beyond me.

Can someone explain why nobody trusts trump cus I mean hes never been caught red handed lying before to my knowledge and if he was I feel like I wouldve heard about it since itd be all over the news

mswizzle3Can someone explain why nobody trusts trump cus I mean hes never been caught red handed lying before to my knowledge and if he was I feel like I wouldve heard about it since itd be all over the news

Trust isn't necessarily or solely related to lying, it can be related to being inconsistent and contradicting yourself, which let's face it he does all of the time. Combine that with blatant disregard for facts or general understanding of the way the world works, I won't trust him with any role of power.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-vs.-trump--a-look-at-donald-trumps-evolving-positions-over-the-years-482986563581

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/834258/Stephen-Colbert-destroying-Donald-Trump


I also don't trust a VP pick who denies evolution and argues against it:
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/834259/Trump--39-s-VP-Argued-Against-Evolution-In-Congress

mswizzle3Can someone explain why nobody trusts trump cus I mean hes never been caught red handed lying before to my knowledge and if he was I feel like I wouldve heard about it since itd be all over the news

Well, it has been. Here are just a few:

Trumps Relationship with Putin:

1. 11/2013- "I do have a relationship and I can tell you that hes very interested in what were doing today"
2. 3/2014- "Putin even sent me a present, a beautiful present"-CPAC conference when talking about Miss Universe Pageant in Russia.
3. 5/2014- "I was in Russia, I was in Moscow recently and I spoke, indirectly and directly, with President Putin..."
4. 7/16- "I have no relation to-with him. I have no relationship with him"

Trump's claim he recommended Ohio for RNC:
The RNC was picked in 2014 and he was not a candidate at this time.

He opposed the Iraq War:
2002-Howard Stern asks if he supports the invasion: "Yeah, I guess so"
2004-First criticism- "Look at the war in Iraq and the mess that we're in"

Crime rates:
He says its been rising for decades-it hasnt. It has decreased, a lot.

Minimum Wage Stance:
He has switched it 3 times. It has gone from no minimum wage, to an increase, to letting states deal with it (in varying orders)

S.J.WWhat's the difference between an immigrant and a citizen? Where you were born. If you are a permanent resident who is affected by the outcome of the election you should be allowed to vote in the election. And I don't know how you think allowing immigrants to vote in an election is not having an immigration policy. How did they get into the country to begin with? Via fucking immigrating. Allowing permanent residents to vote in an election does not infringe up immigration policy. how you connected the two is beyond me.

What? I'm talking about illegals...

onenerdykidTrust isn't necessarily or solely related to lying, it can be related to being inconsistent and contradicting yourself, which let's face it he does all of the time. Combine that with blatant disregard for facts or general understanding of the way the world works, I won't trust him with any role of power.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-vs.-trump--a-look-at-donald-trumps-evolving-positions-over-the-years-482986563581

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/834258/Stephen-Colbert-destroying-Donald-Trump


I also don't trust a VP pick who denies evolution and argues against it:
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/834259/Trump--39-s-VP-Argued-Against-Evolution-In-Congress

"I cant believe people this ignorant have so much power" sums it up pretty well