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kamiHey man, any specific video examples of this? I am a visual learner always trying to up my game in all facets of the sport so videos with timestamps would be appreciated
ozzywrongI guarantee I'm a better skier than you.. So step the fuck back.. were you on the Batalla pro team or on the French Dynastar team before that no was I yes.. There is a point in this thread .. And the point is that people need to learn how to ski properly or skiing will lose it self. We need to teach people that bad form and bad style will not be rewarded and keep that going through History just like surfing ..
HoodlivingHey bud, if you ski proper its nice and easy to link turns between features. Then again half these kids cant even link a line together. Ski proper and you will have all the relaxed turns you need. Lets take 5 palmer laps then go straight to the park 88% of these skiers would cramp or have to take a break and smoke a spliff before they coild cause their legs hurt so bad from shit form.
ozzywrongIs palmer laps like skiing the whole palmer snowfield top to bottom ? I've never been to Mt Hood so please excuse my ignorance . I'm not trying to hate on anyone in this thread you guys can hate me or love me I don't give a shit.. These things need to be said ..yes sir 1500 vertical drop, when I worked rope tows for windells every morning loaded backpack drills and shovel in hand it was a hobby for me to match carves and try to keep up with the racers.
Hoodlivingyes sir 1500 vertical drop, when I worked rope tows for windells every morning loaded backpack drills and shovel in hand it was a hobby for me to match carves and try to keep up with the racers.
Dude scream it from the mtn tops, everyone is so worried about offending someone that they just follow the trends or majority vote. People refuse to adapt since rhey assume they know best for them, and throw away knowledge and skills that have been engrained in the sport since the start and just say naw man I do me its cool. Its wack. Tline way way back had posters on walls explaining and diagraming proper turns and how to initiate and exit so that people could ski. They should bring thay idea back considering most instuctors are a rip off
HolteMy parents are ski instructors. I got raised by PSIA. But I'll watch a dub cork 10 any minute over some turns with great angluation and edge control. Who cares about what happens between the tricks? That goes for big mountain comps too.
ozzywrongI compete in a lot of big mountain comps and most of the skiers really aren't that good they just side slip and do hack turns and straight line over gnarly zones with horrible style..
I grew up doing mogul drills.. this taught me to ski with a stacked body position and how to properly angulate an edge.
What's going to happen to skiing when Candide etc. are too old to ski? Basic ski skills are dying.. Watch Henrick ski big mountain. it's ugly as fuck .. amazing skier but that style isn't what's up.. Look at Candide.. stacked body postion.. calm upper body lower body doing all the work.. the guy skis like water.. same with Tanner and Parker.. the only kids coming up with amazing ski skills are Kye Peterson and Logan Pehota and I'm pretty sure both of them raced for years before skiing because their parents knew what was needed to make them proper skiers...
It's like surfing and aerials and not being able to do big power hacks... they should be a huge part of someone's surfing in order to be considered a "Good surfer" just cause you can do a full rotation air reverse doesn't make you a good surfer.. you have toe have the rail game to back it up like Dane Reynolds.
There is a reason that Dane is considered to be the best surfer in the world atm.. because he has the all around game and fundamentals to back it up.. In my opinion, this is a really big deal in skiing and needs to be talked about and taught to young kids coming up... You all need to learn how to ski properly... not just side slip turns... It's ugly as fuck and makes skiing in general look really bad... So many edits I cringe when I see people skiing powder...
ozzywrongblah blah blah wank wank wank... were you on the Batalla pro team or on the French Dynastar team before that no was I yes.. wank wank blah blah skiing will lose it self. wankety wank wank I can't keep up in the park so I like to talk shit on people who are better than me at one element of skiing ..
ozzywrongCause it's ugly as fuck when people don't have good technique .. Simple and we should establish that it's unacceptable to have bad technique.
ozzywrongI guarantee I'm a better skier than you.. So step the fuck back.. were you on the Batalla pro team or on the French Dynastar team before that no was I yes.. There is a point in this thread .. And the point is that people need to learn how to ski properly or skiing will lose it self. We need to teach people that bad form and bad style will not be rewarded and keep that going through History just like surfing ..
kpowOP: yeah I've been skiing since I was 5 and am never paying for a lesson so either gimme a link to a youtube video teaching me how to "stack myself" or whatever or fuck off haha obviously kids who never raced aren't going to have been taught racing techniques so teach us all this proper technique instead of just chirping us u obviously know more than us so bless us with your secret racer knowledge
fatmilfFuck off. Its FREE skiing. Have fun, do whatever you want, don't tell other people what to do. This is just as bad as FIS regulations. Nobody 'needs' a technical background. That's pretty much the exact opposite of what this sport is about.
californiagrownIt ain't tough to see, just look around then practice. When you are quick edge to edge, and can ski fast and smooth and 100% controlled through any snow surface, you'll know you have it :).
baby_HCHave you seen this fun vid of racers crashing?
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/752895/I--39-m-In-Love-With-The-Snow-Snow----Slalom-Tokyo-Drift
Ski racing technique is difficult to master and in my view does not lend itself well to skiing off the race course, where gates don't exist and terrain is much more variable. Learning how to race isn't going to hurt you, but it's not the be all and end for piste-skiing, or skiing in general.
Personally, to become a great all-round skier, rather put more time into snowboarding than ski-racing given the choice. Anyhow, I find racing technique completely vulgar to watch anyhow.
californiagrownKnowing how to snap out of a short hard carve
californiagrownget out of the backseat quickly
californiagrownRacing isn't necessary to learn these things
californiagrownIMO there is a lot of carryover, and many, many times when you want ski racing techniques in your tool bag.
3maniaGood explanation of stacked position
californiagrownIt ain't tough to see, just look around then practice. When you are quick edge to edge, and can ski fast and smooth and 100% controlled through any snow surface, you'll know you have it :)
I like airs and straight lining too, but you also need to know how to go from backseat landing to front seat hard, trenched carve to avoid people and obstacles... otherwise you're a danger.
A lot of park skiers with shit skiing skills get into rowdyish oft piste terrain and because they have big balls they send stuff and charge stuffwith... but not with a whole lot of control. It's kinda like giving a 16 year old a 400hp car and telling him to just have fun!!
What this guy said.. It is called freeskiing.. but certain fundamentals should be learnt in order to call yourself a truly good skier.
MikeWeinerONELook at Grant Howard, Martin Lentz, Max Durtschi, Logan Pehota, Andrew Pollard, Ian Borgeson, Chanc' Deschamps-Prescott, Taylor Pratt, Xander Guldman, Trace Cooke, and tell me young adults can't ski. I could go on and on.
Traveling with juniors on IFSA and JFT would blow your mind. They also all can ski park. Granted they are all from out west.
baby_HCracers are always in backseat imv and that's why they get burning thighs and the women have thunder thighs. Bindings are mounted to the rear of midline (and hands forward)... doesn't that say it all?
baby_HCthe snap is very stressful on the knees. Wouldn't want to do it too often.
a lot of things are stressful in skiing. You know what hurts your knees more than snapping out of a turn? Hitting that Rick you didn't see...
racers are always in backseat imv and that's why they get burning thighs and the women have thunder thighs. Bindings are mounted to the rear of midline (and hands forward)... doesn't that say it all?
Huh? They have burning thighs cause they are in a tuck the whole time...
The only thing that impresses me about racers in general is having the ability to handle ice. I mean because ice skiing is so much fun.
youve never gotten out onto a face you though was corn or pow and realized it either hadn't signed or was wind/sun fucked? That happens in pockets on faces when ripping around too.
and yes, ripping around carving turns on ice iisfun. If you don't know how to do that it's probly terrifying... and you might want to learn haha
I can't disagree with you there, and you want the best tools at your disposal. But to think it's going to solve your problems and magically make your day fun is just wrong.
idk, the better I get and the more I progress the more fun I have. Even on days when I'm taking it mellow. Broader horizons man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqFcskF9J48
BTW in a recent Lentz video he "Ended up dislocating my shoulder and re-locating it midrun, then injured my elbow on the final crash."
Must be a lot of rider churn in BC comp year-in-year out.
In my view, anytime someone needs to purposely "control speed" show a deficiency in technique: the ultimate downhill biker should be able to remove their brakes. The ultimate skier should never have to worry about going too fast (or at least have that as a very minimal concern) but not be living off adrenaline either.
tgis is mind numbingly dumb. Could not be more ignorant.
That's a great video, my uncles used to ski like that - feet locked together. Great for short radius turns on pencil skis, and of course in moguls. I used to ski like that too. Kind of miss it.
kamiHey man, any specific video examples of this? I am a visual learner always trying to up my game in all facets of the sport so videos with timestamps would be appreciated
Brocka_Flocka*Berkeley Patterson
Brocka_Flocka*Berkeley Patterson
Profahoben_212Yeah I Would Appreciate Some too. I'm gunna be competing in some big mountain comps, and while I definitely consider myself a 3+ skier....there is always some stuff to learn.
MikeWeinerONEBerkeley shreds for sure, Johnny collinson, seth klein. I could it's names for days but the junior takeover is happening and we have the best young guys coming up now that prove OP is wrong.
californiagrownyes, ripping around carving turns on ice is fun
californiagrownThose are the cream of the crop, right?
I doubt he is talking about the guys who obviously rip.
ozzywrongThe reason Adam Delorme, Tanner Hall, Seth, sage , Chris Benchetler ect. ski so well is their technical back ground .
ozzywrongWhat's going to happen to skiing when Candide etc. are too old to ski? Basic ski skills are dying..
californiagrownDo you thing have a solid, instinctual foundation of good technical skiing is important to maximize enjoyment of terrain and skiing in general?
californiagrownThose are the cream of the crop, right?
I doubt he is talking about the guys who obviously rip.
Do you thing have a solid, instinctual foundation of good technical skiing is important to maximize enjoyment of terrain and skiing in general?
baby_HCracers are always in backseat imv and that's why they get burning thighs and the women have thunder thighs. Bindings are mounted to the rear of midline (and hands forward)... doesn't that say it all?
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dan4060People who say that racing techniques are only valuable in a race course are completely incorrect.
baby_HCI've seen the types of dudes who charge piste all day on their Nordica Fire Arrows have the most brutal falls when they catch an edge. It'd be interesting to note how often that happens (like at the end of the day,) and what proportion lead to significant injury. 1 broken bone or bad sprain every 3 weeks?
You can't just take someone who spends most of their time on the race course and tell them to slay piste, just like you can't take someone who skis park most of the day to slay piste either.
For me, the worry and chances of catching an edge is the single most irritating thing about skiing like a racer, because when you're a good skier it can really mess you up, and you never really know when and where it's going to happen.
That's just me anyway.
baby_HCI've seen the types of dudes who charge piste all day on their Nordica Fire Arrows have the most brutal falls when they catch an edge. It'd be interesting to note how often that happens (like at the end of the day,) and what proportion lead to significant injury. 1 broken bone or bad sprain every 3 weeks?
You can't just take someone who spends most of their time on the race course and tell them to slay piste, just like you can't take someone who skis park most of the day to slay piste either.
For me, the worry and chances of catching an edge is the single most irritating thing about skiing like a racer, because when you're a good skier it can really mess you up, and you never really know when and where it's going to happen.
That's just me anyway.
baby_HCI meant to say you can't take your GS turns (even slalom) and ski like a racer all day on groomers.
Take for example "Peak to Creek - a 7km run....not a flat section in the whole distance." Even in the morning, after grooming and few people, you'll be tired as fuck by the bottom. Not that enjoyable. (Also, you can't just go straight down, you have to be turning the whole time.)
Then add people at 11am. That's a lot of mental overhead to choose a line to pass them, and not hit them like gates. No guaranteed S line. And what about lips where you can't see who is on the other side?
Then add moguls after lunch and even more people.
Then add poor light late afternoon.
Then add slush.
Then add fatigue, when you're most likely going to catch an edge (if you do.)
(and that's even without bad weather)
Catching an edge does and will happen if you're not absolutely on top of your game, especially at high speed, and when you do, you're toast.
So slaying groomers for 2 weeks straight is just not a viable thing. That's what I'm saying. You can arguably slay on a race course for 2 weeks straight, but not on groomers. You're gonna ruin yourself if not someone else. You certainly won't be enjoying yourself.
MikeWeinerONEyou catch edges only with bad form and if your in the proper position and an edge does catch you will recover and not crash.
SconnieJesus, you guys. There are more cocky, arrogant people in skiing than any other sport. The constant judgement of skiers by skiers is unacceptable. I experience it on chairlift rides and on NS. The people in this sport are fucking full of themselves. It's embarrassing.
SconnieJesus, you guys. There are more cocky, arrogant people in skiing than any other sport. The constant judgement of skiers by skiers is unacceptable. I experience it on chairlift rides and on NS. The people in this sport are fucking full of themselves. It's embarrassing.
kamiI actually agree with this somewhat as to start skiing you not necessarily but usually have to be from a family of wealth which once again not necessarily but usually means you have an air of arrogance about yourself thus with this and the culmination of it being a sport as sports no matter how "free" they are will still sustain competitiveness and cockiness makes it the most arrogant. "My dad only has 5 mil" This quote from the fight between those 2 skiers sticks out and has even become a meme on NS
In my opinion Henrik Harlaut is right, we have to be inspiaaaad and spread the good fundamentals, style, and love of the sport not be caught up in all the bullshit.
californiagrownWhy is having an opinion on skiing such a bad thing?
baby_HCSo slaying groomers for 2 weeks straight is just not a viable thing. That's what I'm saying. You can arguably slay on a race course for 2 weeks straight, but not on groomers. You're gonna ruin yourself if not someone else. You certainly won't be enjoying yourself.
