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DirtYStylE
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It is important to note that theory cannot transform into fact, no matter how much supporting evidence piles up. The basis of science is that it is open ended, and always open to advances.

If a fact can't be from science, where did facts come from?

Fact - a thing that is indisputably the case. My opinion is that SOME science can be proved indisputably.

Am I missing something?
Apr 27 2016 7:08PM
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270on420out
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DirtYStylEIf a fact can't be from science, where did facts come from?


Logic and reason
Apr 27 2016 7:20PM
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BiggestAirDave
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Somebody get your umbrellas because here comes the

Apr 27 2016 8:57PM
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DirtYStylE
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THEDIRTYBUBBLELogic and reason


Which is applied to an experience. Thus, a fact. With science you use observations...
Apr 27 2016 8:57PM
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Rennis_Deynolds
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgk8UdV7GQ0


relevent
Apr 27 2016 9:00PM
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JGWI
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Theories are the product of a collection of facts. They're not the same thing.
Apr 27 2016 9:28PM
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Peter.
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somebody just had their first day of philosophy 101 in college
Apr 27 2016 9:49PM
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Brue
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DirtYStylEIt is important to note that theory cannot transform into fact, no matter how much supporting evidence piles up. The basis of science is that it is open ended, and always open to advances.

If a fact can't be from science, where did facts come from?

Fact - a thing that is indisputably the case. My opinion is that SOME science can be proved indisputably.

Am I missing something?


Facts are not from science, but support science. Just like air supports an airplane, but is not part of the substance of the plane.

Facts are derived/created from truth. The real question then is, "where does truth come from". In the simplest form, truth, is translation of the physical world into our non-tangible cognitive bubble we call consciousness. So, the physical universe is reflected through the human construct of truth, which we then further into facts.

Truth is therefore the universe.

*Thread*
Apr 27 2016 10:47PM
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lurking
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Jesus this hurt my brain sober
Apr 27 2016 11:12PM
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No.Quarter
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CHECKMATE ATHESTS
Apr 27 2016 11:24PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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You're missing the whole deal about the null hypothesis and how science works, I don't try to prove things, I try hard to disprove things. In fact I never try to prove things in either direction, only lend extremely strong support on a high confidence interval.

For instance - if I think gravity makes objects fall to earth, then the null hypothesis is that gravity does not make things fall towards earth and the alternative hypothesis is that gravity does make things fall towards the earth.

Even though I think gravity makes things fall to earth, my experiments will be designed to show that gravity does not cause things to fall to the earth. And when I inevitably fail no matter how hard I try, I'll be unable to support the null hypothesis. And then everyone else on the planet can try my experiments, and make their own, and when everyone finds out that no matter how hard they try, things keeping falling to the ground, then we accept that alternate hypothesis because no one could prove the null as true.

Realistically I'd actually say that I was unable to support the null hypothesis, potentially because 1. the null hypothesis is false and the alternate is true or 2. my method of detection/experimentation is unable to lend support to the null hypothesis.
Apr 27 2016 11:45PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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a_pla5tic_bagI try hard to disprove things.


So what I mean to say is, everyone tries to disprove something and when no one can, it can be accepted as scientific fact.
Apr 27 2016 11:47PM
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steezysteeze
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Isn't there some famous postulate that there are only two things we can absolutely prove? Pretty sure it's that you yourself exist and mathematical proofs? Wouldn't these be the only absolute facts then?
Apr 28 2016 8:20AM
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aiden516
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Dennis_Reynoldshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgk8UdV7GQ0


relevent


the revenant?
Apr 28 2016 8:24AM
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ImNotARacist
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Fact is What, When, Where.

Science is Why and How.
Apr 28 2016 10:00AM
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arnie_grape
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for conservatives fact and opinion are the same thing and science doesn't exist because gawd
Apr 28 2016 7:05PM
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oxiclean
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BiggestAirDaveSomebody get your umbrellas because here comes the



That's not a real picture. I think its fake.
Apr 28 2016 8:13PM
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iFlip
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sagerobI think its fake.


Is that a fact?
Apr 28 2016 8:33PM
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Mr.noodle
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iFlipIs that a fact?


That's an opinion.
Apr 28 2016 8:43PM
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iFlip
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Mr.noodleThat's an opinion.


Is that your opinion, or is that a fact?
Apr 28 2016 9:42PM
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oxiclean
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iFlipIs that a fact?


It's science.
Apr 28 2016 10:26PM
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iFlip
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sagerobIt's science.


In your opinion is it science, or is it a fact that it is science?
Apr 28 2016 11:14PM
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dales
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How does bibles guy's explain black holes??
Apr 28 2016 11:27PM
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CHORIZO
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so its not a fact that i am vape lord but science
Apr 28 2016 11:49PM
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Panta.Pow
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DirtYStylEIt is important to note that theory cannot transform into fact, no matter how much supporting evidence piles up. The basis of science is that it is open ended, and always open to advances.

If a fact can't be from science, where did facts come from?

Fact - a thing that is indisputably the case. My opinion is that SOME science can be proved indisputably.

Am I missing something?


Maybe i'm not getting what you're trying to say, but with your logic then there are no facts. Anything can be broken down to observations which spark theories, which ultimately can't be facts by the definition you have given.

While science is open ended and open to advances, advancements can't be made without taking things as truths and facts. Light is both a particle and a wave, and we take this a given to make advancements in the field of optics (optic fiber for example). Nobody's ever seen light as a particle or as a wave, but we have a lot of evidence for both and we have to take it as truth. The same way you get in your car and start driving, you observe the car is moving and therefore assume there is gas in the engine, even though you didn't check inside the tank before. And while you can argue there are other ways a car could move such as being pushed, going downhill or whatever occam's razor dictates it's most likely gas in your car.
Apr 29 2016 4:23AM
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ImNotARacist
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dalesHow does bibles guy's explain black holes??


God created the universe
Apr 29 2016 9:42AM
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zard_gawd
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REGRESSIVELEFTGod created the universe


you believe in magic
Apr 29 2016 10:06AM
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ImNotARacist
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zard_gawdyou believe in magic


No.
Do you believe in black holes?
Apr 29 2016 10:10AM
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onenerdykid
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DirtYStylEIt is important to note that theory cannot transform into fact, no matter how much supporting evidence piles up. The basis of science is that it is open ended, and always open to advances.

If a fact can't be from science, where did facts come from?

Fact - a thing that is indisputably the case. My opinion is that SOME science can be proved indisputably.

Am I missing something?


A fact is something that can be proven via experience. Your NS handle (as of right now) is DirtYStylE. That is a fact and it is true as long as experience can confirm it. If you chance your NS handle to something else, it would no longer be a fact that your name is DirtYStylE. Facts, therefore, do not deal with universal & absolute truths but with temporary, experiential truths.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Accordingly, theories do not transform into facts, as you claim, but instead that theories arise out of facts that have been collected and tested.

This is why if the facts change, then science changes with them.
Apr 30 2016 2:11AM
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elcornholio
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The real quiestion
May 2 2016 10:31AM
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bananabrains
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GORILLAWALLACEfor conservatives fact and opinion are the same thing and science doesn't exist because gawd


What about maths?
May 2 2016 4:24PM
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JGWI
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bananabrainsWhat about maths?


The devil created maths to make people hate their life.
May 2 2016 4:27PM
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bananabrains
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JGWIThe devil created maths to make people hate their life.


Many people turn to Pi just to get through it
May 2 2016 4:52PM
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Rennis_Deynolds
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if God isn't real then how can science explain these



checkmate atheists
May 2 2016 5:17PM
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MadFlavor
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scientists are lying mother fuckers
May 2 2016 5:18PM
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JGWI
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MadFlavorscientists are lying mother fuckers


Scientist are not mother fuckers because they understand that inbreeding leads to increased frequency of homo recessive traits which decreased fitness.
May 2 2016 5:31PM
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DirtYStylE
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I think I came up with this idea from how people refute science. How can you not agree? Its science bitch!

How do we get people to believe in science? Maybe change the word theory to something more ensuring like:

Sep 10 2018 7:19PM
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OregonDead
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Indisputable facts are just like your opinion man. You even said so in your original post.
Sep 10 2018 7:37PM
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JAHpow
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Who cares when nothing matters? Love is just a chemical; happiness is just a word. The earth continues to spin; the sun continues to die.
Sep 10 2018 7:52PM
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CorporateSkiBum
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Fact.
Sep 11 2018 12:50AM
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Chron_Rabbit
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FACT.
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