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You can pay to qualify for USASA nationals...

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casey_cope
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Found this in the USASA rulebook while trying to find some more information on qualifying for nationals.

Now I know that paying the money apparently doesn't guarantee you a spot in nationals but $200 and a request to be nationals sounds very corrupt. It's really a shame though... USASA is supposed to be a way for young skiers to pursure their dreams of becoming a professional competition skier. Now this just means it's about who has the most money
Mar 5 2016 6:40PM
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ascent_studios
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#stopcompskiing2k16
#progressstyle
Mar 5 2016 6:42PM
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CarsonDaSkier
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This is really sad to see. It's becoming like this in a lot of sports now, and it really shows that they really could care less about the sport. Adventully it's going to be a competition to see who has the most money
Mar 5 2016 6:43PM
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brotherdad
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'Riders... can write a petition to the Executive Board... for entry into USASA National Championships."

Just make sure to attach two crisp hunnit bands to the petition when you send it out.
Mar 5 2016 6:46PM
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bnsoares1
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DINKLEBERG'Riders... can write a petition to the Executive Board... for entry into USASA National Championships."

Just make sure to attach two crisp hunnit bands to the petition when you send it out.


as a former trap star, i feel like it is my job to inform you that a band is in fact one thousand dollars.
Mar 5 2016 7:17PM
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hemlockjibber8
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When we are judging big mountain comps, if someone wants to ask for a rerun, for reasons such as weather, unclear signage, drop order bs, they have to give us a $20 bill at our booth for us to consider it. It seemed weird at first but it's intention is to dissuade people from doing it.

Maybe this is the same. As it said, it's only for extreme situations. So maybe they are obliged to give people the chance to get into the nationals for some reason but they want to dissuade them from doing so. At least it doesn't have to be cash in hand at the bottom of their run.
Mar 5 2016 7:45PM
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kbrando
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Maybe I am totally off with this, but when I ski raced over a decade ago, I remember a rule almost exactly like this. The way I remember the rule, it was basically set up for people that missed qualifying events due to injury, but if they would have skied, they would have easily qualified. I only remember one kid protesting and he missed almost the entire season due to a broken leg, but the previous year had qualified for Junior Olympics. I don't remember it as a way for people who sucked to buy their way into a championship. It would be extremely sad if this was the case.
Mar 5 2016 10:23PM
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stefC
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"You can pay to qualify for USASA"

No, not exactly.

"Due to extraordinary circumstances", "can petition", "petition requests will be granted based on national results, reason for petition, trend in results, available slots, venue caps and other factors relevant to the decision."

"The deposit will be applied towards entry fees if petition is granted. If petition is denied, deposit money will be applied to the USASA scholarship fund"

Selective reading? This rule is set up for kids who deserve to qualify.
Mar 5 2016 10:30PM
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Dsteeeezy
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Its been gaper day at Copper the last two days can't wait for usasa to be done here!!
Mar 5 2016 11:12PM
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fries
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Trying to read this post like
Mar 5 2016 11:46PM
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casey_cope
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stefC"You can pay to qualify for USASA"

No, not exactly.

"Due to extraordinary circumstances", "can petition", "petition requests will be granted based on national results, reason for petition, trend in results, available slots, venue caps and other factors relevant to the decision."

"The deposit will be applied towards entry fees if petition is granted. If petition is denied, deposit money will be applied to the USASA scholarship fund"

Selective reading? This rule is set up for kids who deserve to qualify.


The word extraordinary is a matter of opinion. And while I may have exaggerated a little bit this rule just seems somewhat fishy. It seems like if these people paid $200 the people in charge would feel obligated to allow the competitor to compete at nationals
Mar 6 2016 12:27AM
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skierman
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casey_copeThe word extraordinary is a matter of opinion. And while I may have exaggerated a little bit this rule just seems somewhat fishy. It seems like if these people paid $200 the people in charge would feel obligated to allow the competitor to compete at nationals


A little bit? How about you read the section below your awesome paint job. Its nothing close to what the rules state on how to PETITION in light of EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES which is only taken into consideration based on PREVIOUS RESULTS and SPOTS AVAILABLE.


I hate kids like you. You're a fucking kook.
Mar 6 2016 10:55AM
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casey_cope
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skiermanA little bit? How about you read the section below your awesome paint job. Its nothing close to what the rules state on how to PETITION in light of EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES which is only taken into consideration based on PREVIOUS RESULTS and SPOTS AVAILABLE.


I hate kids like you. You're a fucking kook.


Asking to qualify for an event you didn't get into along side a $200 payment doesn't sound at all like bribery to you?
Mar 6 2016 12:17PM
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MikeWeinerONE
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hemlockjibber8When we are judging big mountain comps, if someone wants to ask for a rerun, for reasons such as weather, unclear signage, drop order bs, they have to give us a $20 bill at our booth for us to consider it. It seemed weird at first but it's intention is to dissuade people from doing it.

Maybe this is the same. As it said, it's only for extreme situations. So maybe they are obliged to give people the chance to get into the nationals for some reason but they want to dissuade them from doing so. At least it doesn't have to be cash in hand at the bottom of their run.


Please tell me what big mountain comps you are judging where an athlete would give the judges 20 dollars to re-run. That is definitely not true, at any IFSA run event, and there are also no re-runs.
Mar 6 2016 12:23PM
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casey_cope
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skiermanA little bit? How about you read the section below your awesome paint job. Its nothing close to what the rules state on how to PETITION in light of EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES which is only taken into consideration based on PREVIOUS RESULTS and SPOTS AVAILABLE.


I hate kids like you. You're a fucking kook.


Also I totally understand that there are circumstances in which a kid should've qualified but didn't. Like for example they got injured or their region failed to put on enough events for them to qualify.

But when you add the money to it seems that the people in charge would almost be obligated to meet some of the requests. And for the kids who deserved to qualify but didn't, why the fuck should USASA make money off their misfortune?
Mar 6 2016 12:29PM
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hemlockjibber8
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MikeWeinerONEPlease tell me what big mountain comps you are judging where an athlete would give the judges 20 dollars to re-run. That is definitely not true, at any IFSA run event, and there are also no re-runs.


You are right, it's $25. I have taken this season off but for the last few years... Head Judge at Wrangle the Chute 4* (ifsa) and judge at every JR Canadian stop (ifsa). plus pre Wrangle 4* I was the TD and head judge and head judge at the Lake Louise Big Mountain Challenge. Are you a competitor? I have only seen one call for a re-run before, someone missed their run and the next competitor was pushed to drop in sooner. We didn't grant it. Trust me, I find the entire thing ridiculous.


From the 2015 IFSA athlete handbook....

6. Athlete Protests
1. Protests are to be filed only due to run interference.
2. Protest against disqualifications and/or clerical error must be made with in 15 minutes
after the posting of final results.
3. No protests against scoring are allowed. All scores are final. Scores will not be changed or adjusted.
4. The only protest concerning scoring will be if the athlete wishes to pay the protest fee of $25 to check addition of scoring.
5. Competitor protests cost $25 immediately following the competitor s run.
6. It is the responsibility of the competitor to contact the technical director at the finish area and
pay $25.
7. If the technical director cannot make the determination of a provisional rerun, it is up to the discretion of the head judge.
8. The technical director will decide the completion of the run or day if the provisional re-run will stand.
9. If the re-run stands, the athlete may not chose to change his/her mind and take the score of the first run.
10. If protest is unsubstantiated by another competitor it will be automatically denied.
Mar 6 2016 3:26PM
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s.hardy
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I got $200 and can do a 180. Sign me up
Mar 6 2016 8:37PM
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ALMIGHTYSOSA
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Nothing that daddies money can buy
Mar 6 2016 8:39PM
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Thegratefulskier
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Fuck usasa
Mar 6 2016 8:46PM
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Marcuntus
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Lol you kiddos are ridiculous looking for some conspiracy against USASA.

The $200 isn't a bribe of sorts, it's to dissuade ever kid in the world into petitioning their crappy contest results.

Could you imagine if every kid was just shooting in petitions left and right ? It would be insane.
Mar 6 2016 9:09PM
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Earl_Globz
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USASA Is a way beyond dated institution.
Mar 7 2016 8:09AM
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MikeWeinerONE
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I've coached and been at most Tahoe regional, recently Utah regional, and national IFSA events the past 6 years and I've never heard of a re-run and athletes I've personally coached having the option to pay money to run again.

As a TD I can understand that, but that simply does not occur. And no I'm not a competitor any more, I'm 37 YO but I've been around awhile and help out young athletes to help represent the future of our passion.

hemlockjibber8You are right, it's $25. I have taken this season off but for the last few years... Head Judge at Wrangle the Chute 4* (ifsa) and judge at every JR Canadian stop (ifsa). plus pre Wrangle 4* I was the TD and head judge and head judge at the Lake Louise Big Mountain Challenge. Are you a competitor? I have only seen one call for a re-run before, someone missed their run and the next competitor was pushed to drop in sooner. We didn't grant it. Trust me, I find the entire thing ridiculous.


From the 2015 IFSA athlete handbook....

6. Athlete Protests
1. Protests are to be filed only due to run interference.
2. Protest against disqualifications and/or clerical error must be made with in 15 minutes
after the posting of final results.
3. No protests against scoring are allowed. All scores are final. Scores will not be changed or adjusted.
4. The only protest concerning scoring will be if the athlete wishes to pay the protest fee of $25 to check addition of scoring.
5. Competitor protests cost $25 immediately following the competitor s run.
6. It is the responsibility of the competitor to contact the technical director at the finish area and
pay $25.
7. If the technical director cannot make the determination of a provisional rerun, it is up to the discretion of the head judge.
8. The technical director will decide the completion of the run or day if the provisional re-run will stand.
9. If the re-run stands, the athlete may not chose to change his/her mind and take the score of the first run.
10. If protest is unsubstantiated by another competitor it will be automatically denied.
Mar 7 2016 12:23PM
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BenWhit
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casey_copeAsking to qualify for an event you didn't get into along side a $200 payment doesn't sound at all like bribery to you?


casey_copeAlso I totally understand that there are circumstances in which a kid should've qualified but didn't. Like for example they got injured or their region failed to put on enough events for them to qualify.

But when you add the money to it seems that the people in charge would almost be obligated to meet some of the requests. And for the kids who deserved to qualify but didn't, why the fuck should USASA make money off their misfortune?


You're failing to realize that governing bodies like the USASA will happily take your money and provide you zero return. Assuming that the organization would feel compelled to allow someone to compete for having paid $200 is both projecting and way off base.

The rules, as written, leave little room for USASA to make decisions for qualification willy-nilly.
Mar 7 2016 12:55PM
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BenWhit
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MikeWeinerONEI've coached and been at most Tahoe regional, recently Utah regional, and national IFSA events the past 6 years and I've never heard of a re-run and athletes I've personally coached having the option to pay money to run again.

As a TD I can understand that, but that simply does not occur. And no I'm not a competitor any more, I'm 37 YO but I've been around awhile and help out young athletes to help represent the future of our passion.


It's not that hard to fact-check the athlete handbook, my friend. A little reading comprehension would also tell you that re-run's & protests will only be considered under specific circumstances.

In all my years of playing & watching American Football, I can't say I've ever heard of a rule regarding the inflation levels & PSI in footballs. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Mar 7 2016 1:01PM
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hemlockjibber8
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MikeWeinerONEI've coached and been at most Tahoe regional, recently Utah regional, and national IFSA events the past 6 years and I've never heard of a re-run and athletes I've personally coached having the option to pay money to run again.

As a TD I can understand that, but that simply does not occur. And no I'm not a competitor any more, I'm 37 YO but I've been around awhile and help out young athletes to help represent the future of our passion.


Nice coaching those rippers would be fun. Like I said, I've only seen it once and it is fairly strange concept. But I can see why they would have it as an option if something random happens and they want to dissuade people from doing it regularly. But since most people don't even know about the $25 clause how do you expect people to come straight to you with it? Try telling an 11 year old girl she can't rerun after a poacher goes on the course because she doesn't have cash on her. I would ignore that clause if that were the case.
Mar 7 2016 4:59PM
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theabortionator
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Didn't read thread but it sounds like if you're fucking good but couldn't compete in all the events. Jerry can't just go and pay to get in. I think you'll misinterpreting this.

The same way some contests have slots set aside for people who missed the sign up, so that some of the better athletes can still get in.

I really don't see a problem with this.
Mar 7 2016 5:12PM
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casey_cope
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theabortionatorDidn't read thread but it sounds like if you're fucking good but couldn't compete in all the events. Jerry can't just go and pay to get in. I think you'll misinterpreting this.

The same way some contests have slots set aside for people who missed the sign up, so that some of the better athletes can still get in.

I really don't see a problem with this.


Well I have a problem with the fact that it seems like the people in charge would feel more obligated if a $200 payment was alongside a request to be in an event that they didn't qualify for.

And if USASA isn't swayed by the money, I don't understand why they should make money because of a kid's unfortunate circumstances.

Now I understand that they need a way to try and prevent mass amounts of people from petitioning but there are other ways of preventing that event. Even charging smaller fee would be better but $200 is a lot of money
Mar 7 2016 6:00PM
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theabortionator
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casey_copeWell I have a problem with the fact that it seems like the people in charge would feel more obligated if a $200 payment was alongside a request to be in an event that they didn't qualify for.

And if USASA isn't swayed by the money, I don't understand why they should make money because of a kid's unfortunate circumstances.

Now I understand that they need a way to try and prevent mass amounts of people from petitioning but there are other ways of preventing that event. Even charging smaller fee would be better but $200 is a lot of money


I mean just to hit enough events to qualify is a lot of money It's the USASA member ship like $150.

Then if you qualify you have to get out to copper. I had a friend whowas throwing 10's at 14 (this was 9 0r 10 years ago when 10's were pretty big) clean ones at that. I think he learned dubs that year as well. Anyway he couldn't afford to even get to copper so he didn't go. Always wished I had had some $ to make that happen for him.

All these stupid go fund me's these days and that's one I could have gotten behind. Somebody with so much talent just located in a shitty place as far as park mtns and couldn't break out.
Mar 7 2016 6:05PM
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Lucas
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You're Title and OP clearly contradict themselves this thread sucks ass.
Mar 7 2016 6:15PM
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BenWhit
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casey_copeWell I have a problem with the fact that it seems like the people in charge would feel more obligated if a $200 payment was alongside a request to be in an event that they didn't qualify for.

And if USASA isn't swayed by the money, I don't understand why they should make money because of a kid's unfortunate circumstances.

Now I understand that they need a way to try and prevent mass amounts of people from petitioning but there are other ways of preventing that event. Even charging smaller fee would be better but $200 is a lot of money


I don't get how you haven't fully understood this yet. Psychology of deterrents. Read a fucking book for me, one time.

The death penalty is not a logical deterrent to crime because the likelihood of punishment is so small and the threat far too distant. A $15 parking ticket is a logical deterrent because it is an immediate and likely threat to a corresponding action; parking illegally.
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