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Freeride World Tour could learn a thing or two from Redbull Rampage

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ianrich511
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First off, let me just say, I love the freeride world tour, skiers cup, and all that but each time I see a run I am always wishing to have seen more. I know the lines are epic, but would it be to much to ask to have a giant tube rail heli'd in or a kicker built to add to the extremeness. Like Redbull rampage, you don't have to hit the features you if you don't want to, but it will help your score if you do.

Is the type of thinking to forward, is this the next stage, thoughts?
Jan 27 2016 8:48AM
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CabbyArrant
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ianrich511Apparently if you mention rampage in any way positive, everyone feels the need to inform you that you don't know anything about Rampage, and it's a terrible event. Truth is idc, I know there's risk, I know those guys could die. No one is forcing them to compete. I'm a spectator. If I wanna see something extreme, I wanna see something extreme. Red Bull gets it. I'll be watching their event, and leave my appreciation of FWT where it stands and get my fill elsewhere.



Oh, I'm so sorry my fantasy trick I spit out on the fly didn't make sense, are you always so literal? No wonder your lonely. GTFO.


Op I'm not trying to condemn your opinion, I just want you to be aware that as much as you think the choice is theirs that's not entirely realistic. Many of these guys livelihoods are dependent on the money they make from comps or their media exposure. Money is a motivating factor for many of these choices, it has come down to them risking their lives to make a living. I'm not trying to say you can't want things to be more extreme; I just want you to understand that many of us are concerned for the safety of our role models. I was never trying to attack your opinion.
Jan 28 2016 7:40PM
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ianrich511
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CabbyArrantOp I'm not trying to condemn your opinion, I just want you to be aware that as much as you think the choice is theirs that's not entirely realistic. Many of these guys livelihoods are dependent on the money they make from comps or their media exposure. Money is a motivating factor for many of these choices, it has come down to them risking their lives to make a living. I'm not trying to say you can't want things to be more extreme; I just want you to understand that many of us are concerned for the safety of our role models. I was never trying to attack your opinion.


I totally get that moneys a deciding factor on competing. You said "You forget that this was the worst year for injuries" which I knew. I knew you weren't condemning my opinion. Others were tho, and their deliveries were condescending so when you said that I'm like Jesus people I get it! Lol
Jan 28 2016 7:59PM
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Lonely
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ianrich511Apparently if you mention rampage in any way positive, everyone feels the need to inform you that you don't know anything about Rampage, and it's a terrible event. Truth is idc, I know there's risk, I know those guys could die. No one is forcing them to compete. I'm a spectator. If I wanna see something extreme, I wanna see something extreme. Red Bull gets it. I'll be watching their event, and leave my appreciation of FWT where it stands and get my fill elsewhere.



Oh, I'm so sorry my fantasy trick I spit out on the fly didn't make sense, are you always so literal? No wonder your lonely. GTFO.


Fantasy trick? Quintilple is a fantasy trick. All your doing is showing how ignorant and I'm just showing you how little understanding you have about how a trick works. If you would have said 2 on too 8 off I wouldn't have said anything, cause it's unlikely but at least it actually exists.

Nobodies taking you seriously cuz you don't know what you're talking about. Your just pulling shit out of the air. You get the fuck out
Jan 28 2016 8:18PM
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ianrich511
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LonelyFantasy trick? Quintilple is a fantasy trick. All your doing is showing how ignorant and I'm just showing you how little understanding you have about how a trick works. If you would have said 2 on too 8 off I wouldn't have said anything, cause it's unlikely but at least it actually exists.

Nobodies taking you seriously cuz you don't know what you're talking about. Your just pulling shit out of the air. You get the fuck out


You're dumb. /thread
Jan 28 2016 10:12PM
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brov1
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ianrich511Unless your referencing the fact that the skis are 120 underfoot, and therefor incapable of sliding a rail, I think I got the entirety of your point mingg.


Hey Ianbitch guy who works in a shop and ski tech here, mingg is referencing the wear that hitting rails puts on your edges and how it reduces your control while skiing and that slight reduction can mean death for guys who are skiing the way those on the FWT do. as well as how sharp edges are increasingly likely to catch on a rail which on those faces would also mean death.

second redbull linecatcher and coldrush are both examples of this kind of competition and neither of them take near the technical skill that goes into skiing the burly steep dangerous lines that FTW takes place one

third it is actually clear that you've never skied any real big mountain because its actually really easy to see (as someone who has) that 1 you couldnt put that kind of feature one mountains like chamonix and 2 the runs that they take are insanely hard and are way harder than runs like that of linecatcher and cold rush.
Jan 28 2016 10:34PM
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skierman
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ScottBYeah you caught me, I did pull that out of my ass, but making a 70 foot canyon gap for riders to use is forcing some riders to go outside of their own comfort zones to hit that gap adding the opportunity for injury (in my opinion)

Also for the medical staff, anyone with any medium to advanced medical training would
1. NEVER let that guy get up on his own

2 let him finish his run

That kind of injury is what spinals look like.



Yeah they make a feature for the riders to CHOOSE if they want to hit it. Comparing a very well planned out jump to the lines and features riders made on their own and were hitting, the canyon gap was relatively safe. You think its dangerous because you don't know jack shit about freeriding.

As for the medical staff comment, I'm assuming you mean Nicoli's fall? Those were builders and course marshals that first ran to his aid (who were still highly suggesting for him to stay down) and he was up and moving around within seconds, on his own accord ignoring those warnings. He then chose to finish his run after a few moments of rest. The riders are smart enough to know whether or not to finish their run. That's not what a spinal chord injury looks like... at all.
Jan 29 2016 12:52AM
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skierman
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ianrich511Yeah those skiers don't prep for lines, they just huck it. Everyone in this thread needs get off their fucking high horses.



The riders at Rampage are now restricted to a week of building their lines with a crew of up to 3 personal builders if they wish, multiple sandbags, tools, water, etc. to shape/create their lines. This doesn't include riders who team up to build lines like Cam and Strait did. If you think that's at all similar to what people do at the FWT stops, or what can ever be possible at the FWT stops, you're a bigger idiot than I thought.
Jan 29 2016 12:57AM
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ianrich511
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brov1Hey Ianbitch guy who works in a shop and ski tech here, mingg is referencing the wear that hitting rails puts on your edges and how it reduces your control while skiing and that slight reduction can mean death for guys who are skiing the way those on the FWT do


Oh that's cute, you work at a ski shop. Please tell me how setting up that family of 5 rentals has taught you everything about those skiers need on the FWT. Read other peoples responses, my point has been proven, its not ridiculous to think of hitting a rail on those skis. These aren't racers on ice.

skiermanThe riders at Rampage are now restricted to a week of building their lines with a crew of up to 3 personal builders if they wish, multiple sandbags, tools, water, etc. to shape/create their lines. This doesn't include riders who team up to build lines like Cam and Strait did. If you think that's at all similar to what people do at the FWT stops, or what can ever be possible at the FWT stops, you're a bigger idiot than I thought.


You're ridiculous man. Stop assuming your the leading subject matter expert on rampage. I think everyone and their mothers can see the difference in preparation of the lines between the two events. I merely said what I said because you inferred there is no prep in the FWT lines.

skiermanyou to just hike up and ride down like you see in skiing.


I know you know theres more to it than this, but if we are all going to be as literal as possible, I have to respond.
Jan 29 2016 7:32AM
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dropinoutofschol
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skiermanAs for the medical staff comment, I'm assuming you mean Nicoli's fall? Those were builders and course marshals that first ran to his aid (who were still highly suggesting for him to stay down) and he was up and moving around within seconds, on his own accord ignoring those warnings. He then chose to finish his run after a few moments of rest. The riders are smart enough to know whether or not to finish their run. That's not what a spinal chord injury looks like... at all.


First off there is no textbook ways to get a spinal injury, it can happen from slipping on a root in the forest and falling on it. Also adranaline can do amazing things, and having the pressure of competing I can imagine could be just as high, that's the reason why he shouldn't have had a say on weather he could continue.

But right now we both think the other person is an asshole (I assume from your positive comments) so I'm gonna leave this as that.

Peace.
Jan 29 2016 8:06AM
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skierman
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ianrich511You're ridiculous man. Stop assuming your the leading subject matter expert on rampage. I think everyone and their mothers can see the difference in preparation of the lines between the two events. I merely said what I said because you inferred there is no prep in the FWT lines.



I know you know theres more to it than this, but if we are all going to be as literal as possible, I have to respond.


In this thread full of joey's, apparently I am. Thank you for confirming that you are indeed more idiotic than I previously thought because not only do you know nothing about freeriding but your reading comprehension skills are garbage.
Jan 29 2016 10:34AM
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skierman
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ScottBFirst off there is no textbook ways to get a spinal injury, it can happen from slipping on a root in the forest and falling on it. Also adranaline can do amazing things, and having the pressure of competing I can imagine could be just as high, that's the reason why he shouldn't have had a say on weather he could continue.

But right now we both think the other person is an asshole (I assume from your positive comments) so I'm gonna leave this as that.

Peace.


I don't think you're an asshole, I think you're a clueless gaper criticizing a competition in a sport you have zero understanding of.
Jan 29 2016 10:38AM
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brov1
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ianrich511Oh that's cute, you work at a ski shop. Please tell me how setting up that family of 5 rentals has taught you everything about those skiers need on the FWT. Read other peoples responses, my point has been proven, its not ridiculous to think of hitting a rail on those skis. These aren't racers on ice.



You're ridiculous man. Stop assuming your the leading subject matter expert on rampage. I think everyone and their mothers can see the difference in preparation of the lines between the two events. I merely said what I said because you inferred there is no prep in the FWT lines.



I know you know theres more to it than this, but if we are all going to be as literal as possible, I have to respond.

wrong actually, i calibrate and mount and tune skis for skiers from all over the world, at one of the biggest shops in the country. so good point but wrong.second the FWT does not take place on pow most of the time so edge hold is actually a huge necessity. third, while its cool that someone from the midwest thinks they know what they're talking about, you dont, so dont call out the people who do.
Jan 29 2016 11:05AM
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ianrich511
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brov1wrong actually, i calibrate and mount and tune skis for skiers from all over the world, at one of the biggest shops in the country. so good point but wrong.second the FWT does not take place on pow most of the time so edge hold is actually a huge necessity. third, while its cool that someone from the midwest thinks they know what they're talking about, you dont, so dont call out the people who do.


I totallllly believe you.
Jan 29 2016 11:17AM
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e.littt
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Actually its pretty funny because the consensus on pinkbike (basically ns for mountain bikers for those who don't know) is that Redbull Rampage should move away from the man made features and just allow the builders to sculpt their own lines from top to bottom.

Adding man made features makes it harder for riders to be original in their lines, what if the judges were giving more points for the rail? Then all the riders would make their line go towards the rail which is similar to what is happening in Rampage, like this years most of the runs had similar lines near the bottom because that is where they put the man made kickers.

IDGAF about whether or not pow skis can hit rails, keep them in slopestyle. Freeriding is super gnarly when its raw and untouched.
Jan 29 2016 12:38PM
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belden...
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Cold Rush
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The FWT stop at snowbird will build kickers under silver fox too

Your actually behind on this idea
Jan 29 2016 12:57PM
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dan4060
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ianrich511I totallllly believe you.


Why would you not believe him? That is not all that surprising, or a big deal. I worked in a shop when I was a ski bum. I was not a tuner, but we had tuners who worked on skis for all the pros in Squaw. His story s not implausible at all, he is not telling you he is Shane McConkey (RIP) or Kevin Rolland. Give me a logical reason why one would not believe this guy? I am not a ski bum but the guys I worked with would say exactly the same thing this guy did. The events on the FWT are more often in bad conditions than in pow so sharp edges are important. You can ski fat skis on rails but it is not a good idea when edging skills are extremely important and the conditions are bad. If all you ski is pow it is no big deal but the FWT rarely get pow. Frankly he is far more logical than you are. I am going to believe a guy who works in a high level shop over someone from Illinois. You have not given any reason for us to value your opinion.
Jan 29 2016 1:45PM
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KravtZ
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I disagree. I think the FWT is great the way it is and entertaining as hell to watch the comps on no man made terrain. A lot of those guys aren't park rats and can't throw a double cork, etc like the compared red bull rampage athletes do.

Whole different type of skiing. If they can throw tricks off those features all the power to them love watching that type of stuff.
Jan 29 2016 1:49PM
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ianrich511
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dan4060over someone from Illinois.



OHHH SHITTTT!!!! Because that means something.


Now this is typical NSer. Lets just keep arguing about the same thing over and over and over. I don't care about what has been said or discussed. OP changes his mind on something, lets keep talking about the OP. I'm right cause I live in Colorado!. The "You don't know shit cause where your from" argument is ignorant. It's an opinion fucker, everyone has got one. Your antics bore me. I'm done here. Thanks for upping my profile views.
Jan 29 2016 2:13PM
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Lonely
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ianrich511OHHH SHITTTT!!!! Because that means something.


Now this is typical NSer. Lets just keep arguing about the same thing over and over and over. I don't care about what has been said or discussed. OP changes his mind on something, lets keep talking about the OP. I'm right cause I live in Colorado!. The "You don't know shit cause where your from" argument is ignorant. It's an opinion fucker, everyone has got one. Your antics bore me. I'm done here. Thanks for upping my profile views.

Op is dumb, op is butthurt because he's wrong, op is trying to cover his ass, op is angry cuz many people in thread know much more than him, op is a lil bitch
Jan 29 2016 2:28PM
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dan4060
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ianrich511OHHH SHITTTT!!!! Because that means something.


Now this is typical NSer. Lets just keep arguing about the same thing over and over and over. I don't care about what has been said or discussed. OP changes his mind on something, lets keep talking about the OP. I'm right cause I live in Colorado!. The "You don't know shit cause where your from" argument is ignorant. It's an opinion fucker, everyone has got one. Your antics bore me. I'm done here. Thanks for upping my profile views.


If you live in Illinois I am going to value the opinion of someone who works in a ski shop in Colorado/Tahoe/Utah and tunes skis over yours. If you were also a ski tuner at a big shop out west I would give more credence to your opinion about what FWT skiers need. Can you give me a logical reason why I should value your opinion over someone who is much closer to the issue than you are? Who is more likely to know about the surf in Hawaii, a Hawaiian or someone who lives in Florida? Who is more likely to know about skiing the Cirque at Kirkwood, a Kirkwood local or you? Who is more likely to know about what level of edge sharpness is necessary for the FWT, you, or someone who actually tunes skis?

Please answer these questions. And please give me some logical reasons why I should believe you over someone who tunes skis in a high end ski shop. You are not responding because you don't have a logical foot to stand on. Stop dodging, answer the questions directly if you want any credibility. I am a Mammoth weekender now, so I am outside of the industry and don't know as much as I used to, but I will take the word of a mountain town ski tuner over yours. Can you give me a reason why I shouldn't?

And I have not checked your profile views. You mentioned that you lived in Illinois earlier in the thread so I assume you would not lie about that. Check your posts.
Jan 29 2016 4:33PM
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casey_cope
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I have a much better idea. Put a rail in the middle of a downhill course… The Sport needs it.
Jan 29 2016 8:28PM
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DANNY.H
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so watching the footage from the last stop in Andorra, where would you of put these "features"?
Jan 29 2016 10:02PM
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JakeBarrett
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I had a good laugh OP, way to go on creating one of the most ridiculous ideas imaginable.
Jan 29 2016 10:24PM
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skierman
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Evan.ZxyActually its pretty funny because the consensus on pinkbike (basically ns for mountain bikers for those who don't know) is that Redbull Rampage should move away from the man made features and just allow the builders to sculpt their own lines from top to bottom.

Adding man made features makes it harder for riders to be original in their lines



And just like NS, a lot of kids on PB are idiots who got into MTBing years after Rampage took a hiatus after the OG site in '04 (last time now wooden features were used) and they're just hopping on the bandwagon. There's a valid argument for it but with the new site, they did the pre-built features well in areas the riders couldn't have built anything anyways. The pre-built features have overwhelmingly improved many runs and created some of the most memorable moments in the comps. history and it hasn't hindered gnarly all natural or rider-built runs one bit. There were still plenty of those, including multiple podium and winning runs.

The bigger controversy is the event itself. 1. The 2 run slope format with a tight time sched., lots of riders want that changed to a jam format (which I fully support). 2. It quickly it uses up a venue's potential area when its almost impossible to find the right area to hold the comp. in the first place. Meaning this coming year, there will only be a couple new lines and they will be insanely gnarly, like Nico Vink's but otherwise, riding the same shit and more focus will be on tricks rather than actual big mountain riding... which the judges are already seeming to favor (ZInk was robbed).
Jan 29 2016 10:47PM
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brov1
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ianrich511I totallllly believe you.


dan4060If you live in Illinois I am going to value the opinion of someone who works in a ski shop in Colorado/Tahoe/Utah and tunes skis over yours. If you were also a ski tuner at a big shop out west I would give more credence to your opinion about what FWT skiers need. Can you give me a logical reason why I should value your opinion over someone who is much closer to the issue than you are? Who is more likely to know about the surf in Hawaii, a Hawaiian or someone who lives in Florida? Who is more likely to know about skiing the Cirque at Kirkwood, a Kirkwood local or you? Who is more likely to know about what level of edge sharpness is necessary for the FWT, you, or someone who actually tunes skis?

Please answer these questions. And please give me some logical reasons why I should believe you over someone who tunes skis in a high end ski shop. You are not responding because you don't have a logical foot to stand on. Stop dodging, answer the questions directly if you want any credibility. I am a Mammoth weekender now, so I am outside of the industry and don't know as much as I used to, but I will take the word of a mountain town ski tuner over yours. Can you give me a reason why I shouldn't?

And I have not checked your profile views. You mentioned that you lived in Illinois earlier in the thread so I assume you would not lie about that. Check your posts.

lol dan thanks for the support, but i never said i tune skis personally for the pros just skis from people in all walks of life, some of which i am sure have been pros. my point was that as someone who works in the industry and have talked to the brand reps and mountain guides that i know how skiing works for those guys in that kind of dangerous situation. i wouldn't over-beef up my experience, but i thank you for the respect haha.
second Ian i think the reason that people are getting pissed, is that you are taking attacks personally and attacking back. you asked for our opinion and you got it stop going for people personally its a newschoolers thread chill out when you ask you receive, and if the response isn't what you like some personal dissed just makes it so you aren't well liked and doesn't help your point.
Jan 29 2016 11:05PM
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