Whats going on with Orage?

Just gonna slip in here

jdfreeski2So even Andy parry?

No, I don't blindly agree with every orange/red/green/purple name on this site, just because I admire them as a skier.

BenWhitNo, I don't blindly agree with every orange/red/green/purple name on this site, just because I admire them as a skier.

And back to Magnus we haven't really seen a ski company leave a skier in the dark. Have we?

jdfreeski2And back to Magnus we haven't really seen a ski company leave a skier in the dark. Have we?

I don't know what you're getting at, I'm fairly confident it happens all of the time.

I don't know if you've ever worked anywhere other than a grocery store or a gas station, but businesses aren't perfect; and Orage is a business. Decisions come down to the wire. Decisions get made last minute. Orage was forced to make a value-based decision to completely alter their strategic directive, for the safety of their company. For all we know, Orage could have been a going-concern, on the verge of shutting their doors. They suffered massive YOY sales rev declines & were no longer a mainstay in the new-school market. All the while, they are dumping R&D dollars, marketing dollars, & support/travel dollars into a team of riders that are generating virtually no sales. Not that it's their fault, but the market is incredibly saturated.

You don't know exactly what happened. You only have the perspective of the scorned riders and a butt-hurt fan who saw his favorite riders get dropped. What you don't know, however, is Orage's decision could have been widely contested among their leadership team. What you don't know is that their decision may have been a last-minute, last-ditched effort to save the brand. What you don't know is that they leadership may have made the decision, reluctantly, in the middle of the night and informed their employees the following morning (who maintain relationships with the team).

BenWhitI don't know what you're getting at, I'm fairly confident it happens all of the time.

I don't know if you've ever worked anywhere other than a grocery store or a gas station, but businesses aren't perfect; and Orage is a business. Decisions come down to the wire. Decisions get made last minute. Orage was forced to make a value-based decision to completely alter their strategic directive, for the safety of their company. For all we know, Orage could have been a going-concern, on the verge of shutting their doors. They suffered massive YOY sales rev declines & were no longer a mainstay in the new-school market. All the while, they are dumping R&D dollars, marketing dollars, & support/travel dollars into a team of riders that are generating virtually no sales. Not that it's their fault, but the market is incredibly saturated.

You don't know exactly what happened. You only have the perspective of the scorned riders and a butt-hurt fan who saw his favorite riders get dropped. What you don't know, however, is Orage's decision could have been widely contested among their leadership team. What you don't know is that their decision may have been a last-minute, last-ditched effort to save the brand. What you don't know is that they leadership may have made the decision, reluctantly, in the middle of the night and informed their employees the following morning (who maintain relationships with the team).

I can't work it's against the law,
I'm only 13.

jdfreeski2I can't work it's against the law,
I'm only 13.

then this conversation is irrelevant. you don't have perspective because you don't yet understand the strategic discussions that lead to this kind of decision making. Your opinion is 100% emotional and you'll side with the orange name 10x out of 10.

BenWhitthen this conversation is irrelevant. you don't have perspective because you don't yet understand the strategic discussions that lead to this kind of decision making. Your opinion is 100% emotional and you'll side with the orange name 10x out of 10.

No not exactly, I'm a smart kid and see what the pros and popular ppl say, I don't agree with all but this is a rare thing that a company just drops someone after a 3rd place finish in a street event, and this isn't like the nba or nfl. Free skiing's sponsored athletes aren't payed.

jdfreeski2I can't work it's against the law,
I'm only 13.

And you can't debate the issue either because 13 year old's for the most part are basically brain dead. Source: I have a 13 year old.

SessionAnd you can't debate the issue either because 13 year old's for the most part are basically brain dead. Source: I have a 13 year old.

Well I'm a smart, A student, Photograhper, skier.

jdfreeski2Well I'm a smart, A student, Photograhper, skier.

None of that makes you smart and able to debate grown up stuff without emotion.

You cited a third place showing at an obscure event that 99% of the skiing world has no clue happened as a reason for a company to not drop an athlete.

Not taking in to account the simple fact that orage is moving away from marketing to kids who only want to buy Afterbangs and Hoodies.

jdfreeski2Well I'm a smart, A student, Photograhper, skier.

Who can't put together a complete sentence or spell photographer correctly. If you are thirteen years old you have no idea if you're smart, just wait until highschool, and after that college. You have no idea how a bussiness operates if you haven't even worked. Go back to 8th grade math.

jdfreeski2Well I'm a smart, A student, Photograhper, skier.

That may be, but you are still 13 and knowledge is no replacement for real world experience.

Do you really think the guys who made the decision to let a bunch of the team go are happy about it or about the way it went down? Do you think they're actively looking to screw people over?

Just because they aren't totally forthcoming about what lead to the team change doesn't mean it's shady. Or maybe it was? I'd like to hear more from Orage before coming to any conclusions and I'm definitely not willing to throw them under the bus yet.

How NS seems to think Orage feels about the way things went down:

jdfreeski2No not exactly, I'm a smart kid and see what the pros and popular ppl say, I don't agree with all but this is a rare thing that a company just drops someone after a 3rd place finish in a street event, and this isn't like the nba or nfl. Free skiing's sponsored athletes aren't payed.

They are paid. Paying for travel, food, lodging, providing outerwear, clothes, skis, boots, bindings is all pay. It's all compensation. Some of them have promo salaries.

3rd place at a street event doesn't sell 50 jackets. It doesn't sell 5 jackets. The fact of the matter is, Orage made a decision to keep and bolster their value-add riders and drop their riders that were no longer producing value. This is not rare. It's the same reason Dumont went to Head. Sammy went to APO & then Armada. It happens. It's the reality of a sport where sponsors rely on performance to boost sales.

BenWhitThey are paid. Paying for travel, food, lodging, providing outerwear, clothes, skis, boots, bindings is all pay. It's all compensation. Some of them have promo salaries.

3rd place at a street event doesn't sell 50 jackets. It doesn't sell 5 jackets. The fact of the matter is, Orage made a decision to keep and bolster their value-add riders and drop their riders that were no longer producing value. This is not rare. It's the same reason Dumont went to Head. Sammy went to APO & then Armada. It happens. It's the reality of a sport where sponsors rely on performance to boost sales.

they pay for that but skiers don't make a dime for something besides skiing

jdfreeski2they pay for that but skiers don't make a dime for something besides skiing

that's patently false.

how do you think a skier like Will Wesson spends his summers surfing, biking, skateboarding, etc? He sure as hell isn't flipping burgers or working a 9-5, and all of those activities cost money.

jdfreeski2they pay for that but skiers don't make a dime for something besides skiing

You can't make a blanket statement like that. Some do and some don't.

BenWhitthat's patently false.

how do you think a skier like Will Wesson spends his summers surfing, biking, skateboarding, etc? He sure as hell isn't flipping burgers or working a 9-5, and all of those activities cost money.

dude that's all comp prize money

jdfreeski2dude that's all comp prize money

not even close, bud. There are dozens of pros that draw an endorsement salary from the companies that sponsor them.

Have a nice day, kiddo.