Yet Another Line Reactor Complaint

Yeah, that company could be in serious trouble. I get the impression that the shit hasn't really hit the fan over these things yet. Line is gonna lose a lot of money over this...

i got rid of mine this morning.


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mine reactor 12s so far have been awesome. i'm getting nervous though with all this stuff i'm hearing.





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it's not the china man's fault. it's the white man behind the design.

we dont need new bindings, rossi has it covered!!!




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wooooooord! Rossi and Look.

-Jason

[www.theonlywarehouse.com]

[www.option5team.com]

Hey Guys, just to be fair, here are some facts:

out of over 7,000 bindings shipped, we have received less than 100 pair back on warranty. That's less than 2%. Industry average is 4-5%.

In a majority of the returns the length adjustment was made by a consumer, not a certified Line technician. Some of the returns, including ones I've personally seen and examined in my hand, were caused by a certified technician mis-adjusting the binding. Additionally, I have personally adjusted bindings on hill for people who were complaining of pre-release, even when set at 8 or 9. Upon examination, the binding's forward pressure was too loose. These bindings were adjusted at a reputable shop, (who shall remain nameless). A binding that is too loose will not retain the skier properly.

Further, two days ago Dash Longe was doing Rodeo 7's over Pyramid gap in Utah while riding production Reactor 12s. I've also personally witness Dash drop a 40 foot cliff under the lift at Brighton (millicent lift for those who know what cliff I'm talking about), stomp it, and ride away. The same day Pollard 180'd a 20 foot cliff into fresh Pow. All of these incidents were with athletes riding production Reactor 12s.

Do I think our binding is flawless? No. Do we take feedback seriously? Of course. This is the first year the binding has been mass produced and available to the public. Of course there will be issues and situations that we could not simulate in the lab or encounter during literally hundreds of days of on snow testing over the past three years.

For every problem or horror story there are other success stories. The problem is most people don't get on the internet to talk about how there binding worked normally. People usually just get on to say how bad of an experience they had.

Of course we're super under the microscope right now because we have a new product, but in all fairness how many people on this site have broken another brand of binding or came out of their system when they didn't want too?

Our binding doesn't make you float above the snow like a God, it isn't impervious to breakage or manufacturing defects, and although it's medically proven to be safer in backwards twisting falls than any other binding on the market, you still might get hurt while skiing on our binding.

We're only trying to innovate and not accept that 25 year old technology is the end all of ski binding design. 25 years ago only the mega wealthy, or large corporations even owned computers...now we're all having this dialogue around the world.

Later,

Jordan Judd
Product and Team Manager
Line Skis

ya, theye are'nt bad for the amount of ppl that have bought them


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he cranked them up to 8.5? holy shit!!!! he should loosen them. that is incredibly high!!! tell him to loosen them at once!!!
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wow, awesome response. im a believer.

-Joel



~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair



I don't condone this.

simmers, fuck your signature. its really obnoxious and pointless.

and j-squared, i love you.



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'To the natural style'

8.5 isn't really that high. I've found 8 DIN is about right for me. I was just saying they definitely shouldn't be popping off unexpectedly at that high of a setting. To also be fair, there could have been a problem I didn't know about (like them being sized wrong), but with it being a brand new all Line setup, I assume they were mounted professionally. I just was not impressed by these things, and it caused a friend a lot of unneeded grief (and us too, wondering where the hell he was at the bottom of runs). He doesn't get to come out West often, so he really did get let down by the product. I encouraged him to take it up with his shop when he got back, I hope he is going to.

you guys can be sweet talked by j's response, but i know from experience that i will never buy a pair of these binders. i definitely just could not ever trust them. im fine with my p12s
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oh yeah? well me and my friends have been bathing off the southern coast of st. bards, chilling with spider monkeys. tripping on acid gave us a whole new perspective on shit.

just to support j-squared's conviction of certified shops messing up i have a horror story of my own.

i brought my bindings into a certified shop to get adjusted and calibrated because i wasnt sure of how the forward pressure indicator worked.

I get them back and i click my boots into them and im starting to understand how they work. the toe piece actually stretches forward a little bit when you click in and they must stretch a specified amount for the boot to be retained corectly. i take a closer look at the two indicators and they look different from eachother, one is further in than the other. then i look at the letters that indicate how far forward or back the toe piece is and they are different! one is at K and the other one is at J!

out of curiosity i get my boots on, click in, and start doing presses in my room. i lean back and they are fine. then i lean forward on my tips with about half pressure and sure enough the one that was on the looser setting popped off immidietley.

i bet shit like this has happenned to a lot of people. i adjusted the toe piece to where it's supposed to be, they work beutifully now, and i love them.

i think we keep hearing peoples bad stories about the binding because its a new product, people are skeptical and people will jump on an oppurtunity to prove that they are 'pieces of shit' as most of newschoolers has called them. they arent though. and if those numbers are correct they speak for themselves. wise up dudes it's a solid binding.





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my friend fucked up too man they kinda suck
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i demoed them the other day, the ski was twisting all over the place unfer my foot it wasnt fun

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UTskier, I'm assuming that your friend is from the East Coast, and I'm going to assume that he doesnt get to ski anything close to what Alta has to offer. So what your saying, to me has no bearing because his falling and 'prereleasing' could most definetly just be him, and his skiing, not the bindings fault.

They were releasing in situations where he was just skiing, not falling. That's why it's called 'pre-releasing'. If he fell and then they popped it off, it would just be a 'release'. Maybe something wasn't adjusted right, like a couple of people have said. However, he had them adjusted by whoever mounted them orginally, and again by a shop up at Alta, and they were still giving him trouble. This is another problem if you're looking to buy them: Most shops don't know what to do with them. He had to go to multiple places before he found someone that would adjust them.

Oh, and I'm by no means trying to trash Line here. I think it's cool they're trying something new in binding technology, and I also think it's cool that someone from the company would take the time post in this thread. I just wanted to let people know what I've observed. It doesn't matter how cool the company is, or what an amazing advancement they are if the binding is unreliable for people.

I agree with the shop problem. I waited for a shp to get theres in for months. They finally did and I went to check them out. The sales guy came over and started talking ot me about them. They were on a ski at the time and I wanted to switch them to another ski...just to try that out. The sales guy nor the shop techs knew almost nothing about this...I basicly knew more about the binding than they did...because they were not educated. While they sat on the bench and tried figuring it out, I left. The only fault I can see in line is them teaching there reps.

It sounds like that it was more than your friends fault. I know that a friend of mine it touch her a couple days to get used skiing hers, because of the way they are mounted, that its held in the middle.

hey im reading all of this and i jsut wanted to let you all know what i think...i have the reactor 12s and i like them a lot...i mean, im not having trouble with pre-releasing, but the problems that i am having are pissing me off. for instance, just today, i went skiing and i probably hit a jump that sent me about 10 feet in the air, and i stomped the landing and BOTH of my skis popped off. that shouldnt happen (at least to my knowledge). i mean, i'm not a small kid, im 6'2', 210 pounds, and i have my din set to 8. thats about right for me, but my skis shouldnt pop out like that.

next, im having another wierd problem with them that i havent heard from one person that has had the same problem...you know the back part that sticks up that you push down to get out of your binding (sorry, i dont know the correct terminology for it), well sometimes, (not all the time, only sometimes) i will push that down so its not sticking up in the air and it will be in the position that you would want it if you were going to take your boot off, but the problem is that my boot will still be locked in good. its very wierd. its like the lever type thing has a mind of its own...the only way for me to get my boot out then is to pound my ski on the ground at angles so it will pop off.

i dont know if these two problems are because of how they were mounted or what, but its really frustraiting. any feedback will work. alright im out...


Joel

Well Mine broke on their first day out am not gonna try to get a new pair... problem with the toe piece

why cant line send their reps to the shops and show the techs the right way to do it?

^ because that would be too easy
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ohioskier 8 is loose for you i think. im 6'1' 155 and mine are at 7.5. did a shop set those? if they did they are morons.





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-Charles Gagnier

ohio skier is fine, 8 is the correct din for his size.

mine just flat out snapped, i dk if its this binding or not but the whole back peice just snapped in half right where they are connected to the ski. All i did was land sideways off a handrail, but it seems like that shouldnt happen, my din was only at 7

ohioskier has over 50 pounds and an inch in hieght on me which prob means his feet are bigger too, 8 sounds way too loose for him.


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i just liked hearing about dash doin a rodeo 7 over pyramid gap, and droppin a big 40 ft. cliff... as well as pollard 180ing a 20 ft. cliff... mmmmm... as far as the bindings go, I believe the design will work once it has a little more time to fine tune and stop all these pre-releases and such. until then, i'm sticking with my p12s
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lines has been makin really crappy skiis latly if you havnt noticed, im sure the same thing is happenin with their bindings

I'd like to say something to all of you with no clue, who are making assumptions. First and foremost, a 2% return rate on any product, let alone a ski product, is fantastic. I know this. I'm in the industry. I'm here in my shop right now, sitting with another tech reading this, and some of the posts here are unreal. We find it hilarious that you make assumptions about someone's DIN setting based on what you think you may be. How could you know remotely what their DIN may be without knowing their boot sole length or skier type??? If I had absolutely no idea what i was talking about, I sure as hell wouldn't be wasting my time bashing a product without all the facts straight. Failure with the Line bindings is just as common with Rossi, or Salomon. More often than not, it's people who have no clue what they are doing when they set up their bindings (that's what techs are for!)and as a result, the bindings will fail. The Line binding is an innovative product, and I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the industry followed suit before long. As with any product in it's infancy, there is bound to be the odd bug, but keep in mind, we are using these products to jibb. Any product put under stress continually over time has a chance of letting go... As do Salomon, Rossi, Marker, Tyrolia and the rest.

Toublemaker...for someone who just claimed to have little expirence with Freeskiing how do you know so much about Lines skis and how durable they are?

Line skis are just like there bindings. They are good and the people who ride them love them. Yet a majority of kids on here hate them because of the few kids that claim all sorts of crap about how they break easily.

its cool that people who work for line are concerned enough to come online and respond, im pretty sure most other ski companies would'nt do that. anyway i dont have line bindings but i know that brakes on look and rossis are fucking annoying and one switch fall the wrong way is all it takes to destroy your breaks.
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troublemaker what the hell are you saying, 'line has been making really crappy skis lately' do you have any idea what you're talking about?

and speedwagon i was only making an observation on ohioskiers bindings based on my own and how mine were set for me at the shop. yeah caling the techs morons prob wasnt the best way of going about that because you're right i dont know exactly everything about the kid, but it still seems low if you do any sort of jumping at that height and weight regardless of the sole length and skier type. i dont claim to know anything about binding settings, i was just making an inference.

most breaks will bend on funky switch landings as well. ive done it to my looks and to my lines several times already. bindings are still mainly plastic. we put them under a lot of stress, and breakages will occur. what the hell do you want, bomb shelters on your feet? shit happens, and if shit happens while your rocking the reactors well thats coincidental shit right there, just like any other decent piece of ski equipment.


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