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Why do we have down voting?

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NCSKI24
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?...

it creates negative energy.

For example: a video that has 77 (or whatever) straight up votes, then a random hater who down votes it just to be funny, what's the point?

If it's not a good content post then don't vote, and if it's killer people can vote... Why can't it be that simple?
Dec 3 2015 1:00AM 66 29
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nutz.
Posts: 3149 - Karma: 6,675
NCSKI24?...

it creates negative energy.

For example: a video that has 77 (or whatever) straight up votes, then a random hater who down votes it just to be funny, what's the point?

If it's not a good content post then don't vote, and if it's killer people can vote... Why can't it be that simple?


you mean why do we show the votes? Because the downvotes are for a formula to calculate ranking/karma and shit, so there's a good reason for them
Dec 3 2015 1:01AM 3 1
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NCSKI24
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nutz.you mean why do we show the votes? Because the downvotes are for a formula to calculate ranking/karma and shit, so there's a good reason for them


I know but 99% of the down votes on content are either haters or kids who want their own content to have a better shot at getting photo/ video of the day. It's not accurate at all. How does a video that gets let's say 200 up votes, have a down vote? It's not because it's not good, because obviously it is. It's because people on here are trolls and try to ruin people's photos by their anonymous down votes
Dec 3 2015 1:15AM 4 2
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nutz.
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NCSKI24I know but 99% of the down votes on content are either haters or kids who want their own content to have a better shot at getting photo/ video of the day. It's not accurate at all. How does a video that gets let's say 200 up votes, have a down vote? It's not because it's not good, because obviously it is. It's because people on here are trolls and try to ruin people's photos by their anonymous down votes


kids who want their own content to get a better shot at getting voted photo/video of the day get flagged by us (and banned and their content ultimately will not get potd) seeing as We check downvotes and stuff. if a kid downvotes every other photo other than his own so he has a better shot you best believe he's getting a warning/banned.

As for your other pointSome people don't have the same opinion and there will always be haters, deal with it.

It's like the drop hating the bunch, their videos get a metric fuckton of upvotes but these guys don't like it. Do I agree? no. but they're entitled to their opinions and can voice them with a down vote. After all, who are you to say what's accurate or not? Can you see into the mind of everyone else???

It doesn't ruin anything imo, people need to have tougher skin on the internet lol
Dec 3 2015 1:40AM 3 1
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.Hugo.
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Because the world is not all flowers and gumdrops
Dec 3 2015 9:27AM 19 1
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Connor_Sullivan
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Well we had to be ready for Felice somehow. In all honesty though it's just a critique system. You should be able to have input on a topic whether it be praise or criticism.
Dec 3 2015 7:00PM 0 0
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CHORIZO
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Im sorry ns isnt as politically correct as you want it. But since this is the new age ill give you an internet sticker for your effort.


stop being a pussy dude we dont need more of this shit
Dec 4 2015 9:53AM 4 0
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SFBv420.0
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down voting is a way of making butthurt little jabronis think their opinion matters.
or that a fictional karma e-cookies have meaning
Dec 5 2015 7:04AM 1 1
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S.J.W
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Reddit has downvotes, NS tries to be reddit
Dec 5 2015 11:38PM 1 8
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sdrvper
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NCSKI24It's because people on here are trolls and try to ruin people's photos by their anonymous down votes


nutz.It doesn't ruin anything imo


To be honest, it ruins the ability to be honest on Newschoolers.
I've noticed multiple times where I'll post what I believe to be constructive criticism on someones work, for example "great skiing and editing, maybe a better song choice next time", and I go back to my profile and every video on my profile has another down vote.
idk, it bothers me how salty people are, during the winter I don't ever post anything like that anymore or even go in ski gabber/NSG because some kid is just going to down vote everything I upload because he's mad, which should be ban-able in my opinion but thats another topic.

My solution is if you down vote, you have to comment, the comment doesn't have to say "I down voted because" I just think it would rule out the, A. people cheating and B. people down voting out of spite.

Such is life
Dec 6 2015 12:40AM 3 0
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HAMNATION
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because facebook should have thumbs down
Dec 6 2015 9:25PM 2 0
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Krotchs_Brother
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SDrvperTo be honest, it ruins the ability to be honest on Newschoolers.
I've noticed multiple times where I'll post what I believe to be constructive criticism on someones work, for example "great skiing and editing, maybe a better song choice next time", and I go back to my profile and every video on my profile has another down vote.
idk, it bothers me how salty people are, during the winter I don't ever post anything like that anymore or even go in ski gabber/NSG because some kid is just going to down vote everything I upload because he's mad, which should be ban-able in my opinion but thats another topic.

My solution is if you down vote, you have to comment, the comment doesn't have to say "I down voted because" I just think it would rule out the, A. people cheating and B. people down voting out of spite.

Such is life


Agreed. Either that or show the downvotes. Then I can hunt down every little bastard that dares to downvote either of the Draper's content with the fury of a thousand midgets who can't get on a roller coaster due to height restriction.
Dec 12 2015 10:48AM 0 0
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icyburr
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NS has turned into a shitty place to post edits anyways. Unless you're an orange name, you're not getting a lot of veiws. If you're going to post something, you just have to say fuck the haters, and accept the inevitable down votes by the 13 year old kid who posted his dope as shit season edit. Or somehow get an orange name by being an "industry leader". Someone really needs to create a new skiing website and start over.
Dec 12 2015 1:56PM 1 4
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Chubz.
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icyburrNS has turned into a shitty place to post edits anyways. Unless you're an orange name, you're not getting a lot of veiws. If you're going to post something, you just have to say fuck the haters, and accept the inevitable down votes by the 13 year old kid who posted his dope as shit season edit. Or somehow get an orange name by being an "industry leader". Someone really needs to create a new skiing website and start over.



Not at all...dude, what?!

the same shit happens on youtube, vimeo, etc..

dont be a vagina and throw a piss party because your season edit didnt make VOTD..if its really that good of a video it will make votd. Theres gonna be random downvoters no matter what. Just get over it and focus on making better content if you want to make potd, votd.
Dec 12 2015 3:47PM 1 0
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Mingg
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I like and hate it.

On one hand it's nice because you get feedback for your stuff. I like writing and like when people give me feedback on that but at the same time, if I just want to post a photo or video it's kind of shitty... sometimes I could go without people telling me how much I suck at skiing or how unprofessional my photos are haha. Like, it gets too critical sometimes in my opinion. Like for someone who is just trying to ski, it's a little much.

I mean you can put a photo on instagram and not worry about it but idk this is NS. So part of me likes putting stuff up but it also sucks because I don't post things to get feedback. I'm not trying to make banger edits or take professional photos. I'm just skiing and I'm not looking for judgement on how I do things... if that makes sense?

So like it sucks when you're just doing it for the hell of doing it and people tell you no, thats wrong, or thats bad(downvotes). So that's why I've refrained from putting stuff up. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong but it adds a degree of seriousness to something not so serious and i don't know... I'm not really about that.


Like just this past week, I heard the words "that doesn't get you views" from someone on this site... implying the biggest reason they do what they do is to get views/votes. And tbh thats really fucking lame. Do it cause you want to, not so you can get the approval of others.

inb4 i'm a pussy/ butthurt.
Dec 12 2015 4:41PM 2 2
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icyburr
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Chubz.Not at all...dude, what?!

the same shit happens on youtube, vimeo, etc..

dont be a vagina and throw a piss party because your season edit didnt make VOTD..if its really that good of a video it will make votd. Theres gonna be random downvoters no matter what. Just get over it and focus on making better content if you want to make potd, votd.


My season edit made video of the day and the one before that
Dec 13 2015 12:53AM 1 0
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Chubz.
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icyburrMy season edit made video of the day and the one before that


Then what are you complaining about? You just proved that you dont have to be in the industry or have an orange name for it to make votd. It really just comes down to voting and what else dropped in that day. Sure your edit might be dope..but if it dropped the same day as a tall t truday or something from the hoodcrew or totally trevor it prolly isnt gonna make votd bc all the traffic is going to go to the videos that have a solid following.

The system isn't flawed, its all based around the community.
Dec 13 2015 12:57AM 1 0
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Mr.Bishop
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icyburrNS has turned into a shitty place to post edits anyways. Unless you're an orange name, you're not getting a lot of veiws. If you're going to post something, you just have to say fuck the haters, and accept the inevitable down votes by the 13 year old kid who posted his dope as shit season edit. Or somehow get an orange name by being an "industry leader". Someone really needs to create a new skiing website and start over.


Well I'm sorry you feel that way.

The downvotes help us rank videos, and they all go through an algorithm which blunts the impact of random downvotes immensely. The ranking system works.

As for getting views without being an orangename - where is better to do this? I'd love to hear where you're posting your edits and is doing better. perhaps we can learn from there.

Many have tried to make new sites, and sure maybe one of these days there will be a better place. I doubt it though, because we've got a great thing going here and even though a few people get upset their vids don't do better - the vast majority do very well. Our monetization programs have been a game changer for a lot of smaller video producers, and we're constantly improving and expanding on them.
Dec 15 2015 10:34PM 0 0
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Mr.Bishop
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Also to anyone in this discussion -

You know I get downvotes on my shit too, right? I know how much it can hurt... those two downvotes even with more than a hundred up just burn your soul.

It really does help ranking though, and when people don't like what I put out I want them to be able to tune it down vs. the other cool shit out there instead of me just being able to slam my shit in your face and demand you think its awesome.
Dec 16 2015 4:36PM 0 0
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Mingg
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I definitely think it's good in some cases. Like for everyone who is trying to make a career out of this, it's good. Yeah it sucks getting downvotes but it's better to know if what you're doing works or doesn't work. For me, I'm gonna keep posting shitty iphone photos even though I get a lot of downvotes because... well I can lol. But for the professionals(if thats the right word) who rely on this type feedback I would imagine it's awesome. You get a group of people together who understand whole thing the best and you get them to rate your stuff. That's gotta be good on them, isn't it?

It sucks when you see chronic downvoting though. Like it's happened to me and theres a few members who really aren't that bad and they just constantly get downved because of dumb stuff. I kind of feel bad but at the same time forums are forums so theres that. And usually it's NSG so that makes it even more irrelevant lol. I haven't seen downvoting like that in news, photos or videos though. So Im curious to see if that is actually a thing.
Dec 16 2015 4:55PM 1 0
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sdrvper
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MinggIt sucks when you see chronic downvoting though. Like it's happened to me and theres a few members who really aren't that bad and they just constantly get downved because of dumb stuff. I kind of feel bad but at the same time forums are forums so theres that. And usually it's NSG so that makes it even more irrelevant lol. I haven't seen downvoting like that in news, photos or videos though. So Im curious to see if that is actually a thing.


Yeah seriously.
Especially when it affects opportunities on Newschoolers. I know there are a few people who dislike me that down vote all my legitimate content, which reduces chance of views, reach, karma and getting into programs. Which is complete bullshit imo, chronic down voting should be bannable, its no different than downbombing. Another example I can think of is eheath, he definitely has people who down vote his videos just because its him. Down votes should carry less weight, it would definitely make cheating harder and down votes out of spite wouldn't be as big of a deal.

Down voting is important, it just needs to be managed differently.
Dec 16 2015 9:49PM 0 0
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Mingg
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SDrvperYeah seriously.
Especially when it affects opportunities on Newschoolers. I know there are a few people who dislike me that down vote all my legitimate content, which reduces chance of views, reach, karma and getting into programs. Which is complete bullshit imo, chronic down voting should be bannable, its no different than downbombing. Another example I can think of is eheath, he definitely has people who down vote his videos just because its him. Down votes should carry less weight, it would definitely make cheating harder and down votes out of spite wouldn't be as big of a deal.

Down voting is important, it just needs to be managed differently.


I've gotten a few messages from mods about people getting banned from downvoting all my stuff so they definitely do take care of it. You might just need to point it out! I wish we could see where the votes were coming from just so you could tell. But yeah, for a member like you, that fucking sucks. Where as I'm just here for shits and giggles(sort of kind of not really though).

It sucks. People suck. It's not really the site but rather how people are in general. People get butthurt if they disagree with you. I changed my name and icon one time and suddenly my karma went up lol and I stopped getting downvoted. As soon as I changed it back to Mingg my karma went down again and I started geting downvotes on every single post. Literally every post.
Dec 16 2015 10:01PM 1 1
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Chubz.
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SDrvperYeah seriously.
Especially when it affects opportunities on Newschoolers. I know there are a few people who dislike me that down vote all my legitimate content, which reduces chance of views, reach, karma and getting into programs. Which is complete bullshit imo, chronic down voting should be bannable, its no different than downbombing. Another example I can think of is eheath, he definitely has people who down vote his videos just because its him. Down votes should carry less weight, it would definitely make cheating harder and down votes out of spite wouldn't be as big of a deal.

Down voting is important, it just needs to be managed differently.



I agree 100% with this. Spot. fucking. on.
Dec 20 2015 3:21AM 0 0
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eheath
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SDrvperYeah seriously.
Especially when it affects opportunities on Newschoolers. I know there are a few people who dislike me that down vote all my legitimate content, which reduces chance of views, reach, karma and getting into programs. Which is complete bullshit imo, chronic down voting should be bannable, its no different than downbombing. Another example I can think of is eheath, he definitely has people who down vote his videos just because its him. Down votes should carry less weight, it would definitely make cheating harder and down votes out of spite wouldn't be as big of a deal.

Down voting is important, it just needs to be managed differently.


This happens to everyone dude, its just how things are. We cant do anything about it but just accept it and move on.
Dec 20 2015 5:42PM 0 0
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sdrvper
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eheathThis happens to everyone dude, its just how things are. We cant do anything about it but just accept it and move on.


Is it not a reasonable solution to go about that sort of down voting the same way that you & the mod team go about alias down bombing?
Dec 20 2015 5:58PM 0 0
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eheath
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SDrvperIs it not a reasonable solution to go about that sort of down voting the same way that you & the mod team go about alias down bombing?


If people down bomb, they get punished. But its not against the rules to consistently downvote something that someone posts, it just means they 'dont like it' which is fine. If people want to be douche bags we cant do much about it. This has been an issue for me the past 10 years dude, its just how it is.
Dec 20 2015 6:00PM 0 0
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sdrvper
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eheathIf people down bomb, they get punished. But its not against the rules to consistently downvote something that someone posts, it just means they 'dont like it' which is fine. If people want to be douche bags we cant do much about it. This has been an issue for me the past 10 years dude, its just how it is.


Fair enough
Dec 20 2015 6:49PM 0 0
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Rice
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eheathThis happens to everyone dude, its just how things are. We cant do anything about it but just accept it and move on.


that was really motivating. i dunno why, but what u said really struck a chord.

but yeah, I totally agree how down voting should carry a little less weight.
Dec 31 2015 12:16AM 1 0
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freestyler540
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I actually use the voting system in pictures and videos to get the most out of my time. The high voted not by orange names will always yield better results. Downvotes media tend to be lame or fake.

In forums, I can gauge the support of the community reflecting a certain post. If one person is claiming a pro is an asshole with many downvotes; its a troll and the post will be removed soon. A response to one of my post I deem offensive will get more or less attention to the the attention his post generated.

In big, I use it as a credibility tool. It blows when it turns into harassment. Knowing Doug and the NS team, they wont let NS fall apart.
Jan 1 2016 6:41AM 0 0
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shin-bang
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so what about a thread like this? https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/808917/How-to-buy-skis-without-a-credit-card-or-via-parents---- like i had good intentions and really needed a ski, but all of a sudden it went into a downward spiral to nose dive to crash and burn of down votes? then the focus of the thread turned into down votes? so downvotes demote your karma?? im so confused on what the up and downvotes actually do on threads. i think i get it on the media/pictures
Jan 22 2016 12:34AM 0 0
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eheath
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shin-bangso what about a thread like this? https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/808917/How-to-buy-skis-without-a-credit-card-or-via-parents---- like i had good intentions and really needed a ski, but all of a sudden it went into a downward spiral to nose dive to crash and burn of down votes? then the focus of the thread turned into down votes? so downvotes demote your karma?? im so confused on what the up and downvotes actually do on threads. i think i get it on the media/pictures


Down votes don't do anything to karma FYI

Really it's a system that is meant to be used for all posts, good or bad. The best way to counter act down votes on something you like is to upvote it. It doesn't change the thread like reddit, its just a rating that doesn't effect anything but the rating of the post and the rating of the thread.
Jan 23 2016 6:50PM 0 0
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shin-bang
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eheathDown votes don't do anything to karma FYI

Really it's a system that is meant to be used for all posts, good or bad. The best way to counter act down votes on something you like is to upvote it. It doesn't change the thread like reddit, its just a rating that doesn't effect anything but the rating of the post and the rating of the thread.


Tanks e Heath :D
Jan 23 2016 11:38PM 0 0
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RudyGarmisch
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Care less about what people think and speak truth.
Jan 24 2016 3:11AM 0 0
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