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18 people killed in Paris (so far)

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J.D.
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Now hearing that it could be as high as 30 - Unknown what the hell is going on.

Several explosions (possibly grenades) around the Stade de France, where there is a match going on. Two gunmen performing drive-by shootings with AK-47s, while 5 or 6 gunmen in the Northeast of downtown. There is also a hostage situation being reported. The incident is ongoing.

What the fuck is going on. This is horrific.
Nov 13 2015 4:51PM
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McLS
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BombogenesisAt least one confirmed a Syrian refugee... Surprise!!!!!


We dont know that yet. Just confirmed syrian. And yeah, maybe he did come as a refugee, but what, were we gonna send them all back to the countries where stuff like this happens every day?
Nov 14 2015 2:58PM
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*DUMBCAN*On that note, I think I'm gonna avoid facebook for the next week. I really don't want to read everyone's opinions on muslims again. Anyone who tries to manipulate these events for political gain can fuck right off.


Facebook must be a cesspool of political garbage right now.
Nov 14 2015 2:59PM
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Lonely
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MALEPRIVILEGEFound this gem today.



Where'd you find that? I want to personally tell them how much of a dumb fucking piece of shit they are.
Nov 14 2015 3:02PM
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McLS
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*DUMBCAN*I was trying to find you on facebook yesterday. I too have been checking with all my friends in Paris, fortunately most of them were away at the time (one staying with me here in Shef. He's shocked, left to go home a few hours ago).

On that note, I think I'm gonna avoid facebook for the next week. I really don't want to read everyone's opinions on muslims again. Anyone who tries to manipulate these events for political gain can fuck right off.

Thanks for trying to contact me, warms my heart :) I have been on facebook all day, trying to talk some sense to anyone posting anti musulman and violent comments, not for them tbh, don't really care what they think, but for those who might not really know much about the conflicts and start to think like them because of such posts.
Ive been seeing mostly moderate discussions though, and overall a much better reaction than after the january attacks. Ill probably go off too at some point, cant let the terrorist change our way of life, we must go on happy and peaceful as ever for those who died, and to win this fight.
Nov 14 2015 3:03PM
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Bombogenesis
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McLSWe dont know that yet. Just confirmed syrian. And yeah, maybe he did come as a refugee, but what, were we gonna send them all back to the countries where stuff like this happens every day?



Its not rocket science that when you have unregulated, permeable borders undesirables are going to get in. Expect this stuff to increase throughout Europe. You can live in a fantasy world all you want and wish it away but these people are the worst of the worst and of course they'll capitalize.


like really?
Nov 14 2015 3:04PM
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McLS
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BombogenesisIts not rocket science that when you have unregulated, permeable borders undesirables are going to get in. Expect this stuff to increase throughout Europe. You can live in a fantasy world all you want and wish it away but these people are the worst of the worst and of course they'll capitalize.


like really?

You live in the US, you only border mexico and Canada (which is a stable country) ffs. You think you can really prevent terrorists to come in our country by what, closing the shengen zone? They come from countries outside of it, you can't build a fucking wall.

And even if we could, the kouachi brothers from 7th of january were french, and so are 3 terrorists from yesterday. How is closing the borders gonna keep them out?
Radical measures wont do shit. Education is what we need, and political stability.
Nov 14 2015 3:20PM
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McLSYou live in the US, you only border mexico and Canada (which is a stable country) ffs. You think you can really prevent terrorists to come in our country by what, closing the shengen zone? They come from countries outside of it, you can't build a fucking wall.

And even if we could, the kouachi brothers from 7th of january were french, and so are 3 terrorists from yesterday. How is closing the borders gonna keep them out?
Radical measures wont do shit. Education is what we need, and political stability.


We're not saying its going to fix the problem and no one will ever get hurt again, but it'll help, and its a start. safety of your own country first then you can start to care about others. this will start to be the norm around Europe.
Nov 14 2015 3:34PM
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Bombogenesis
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McLSYou live in the US, you only border mexico and Canada (which is a stable country) ffs. You think you can really prevent terrorists to come in our country by what, closing the shengen zone? They come from countries outside of it, you can't build a fucking wall.

And even if we could, the kouachi brothers from 7th of january were french, and so are 3 terrorists from yesterday. How is closing the borders gonna keep them out?
Radical measures wont do shit. Education is what we need, and political stability.




Education? what do you mean by this? I'm all ears
Nov 14 2015 3:41PM
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Rusticles
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VinnieFGlass the place!


But seriously, not having deals with some of the worst perpetrators is a good start. I mean Canada just made a multi-billion dollar arms deal with the Saudis, a country with one of the worst human rights records (due to their Muslim ideologies) and who directly fund ISIS and other terrorist organizations with money, arms, and personnel. Total economic sanctions is definitely a good start. Problem is, we love our oil more than we love human rights so that will never happen.


They paid us with the money you gave them for oil, same money that funds Isis, then you turned your noses up at our oil.
Nov 14 2015 3:47PM
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JAHpow
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What's your guys' thoughts on the new French flag profile pic filter for Facebook? My fb feed is full of profiles with the update. Then they just go on and complain about random bull.
Nov 14 2015 4:02PM
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LonelyWhere'd you find that? I want to personally tell them how much of a dumb fucking piece of shit they are.


Idaho People
Nov 14 2015 4:09PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Guess his phone saved him.
Nov 14 2015 4:33PM
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McLS
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BombogenesisEducation? what do you mean by this? I'm all ears


I mean the worst aftershock to yesterday will be all those uneducated who do not understand the origins and implication of the middle east conflicts to having thoughts at the back of their heads. And again with all the religion bullshit, creating more tensions. The terrorists were french ffs, not invaders from another country. French. and they didn't always think like this. They were convinced, they had no education, they played too much killing games.
Nov 14 2015 4:35PM
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The referenced post has been removed.


Well ISIS is in part a creation of the west. Obama has stated, that we trained, armed and funded ISIL. ISIS was utilized as a catalyst to destabilize Syria for easier exploitation. As the main goal of western powers is and has always been to oust Assad, which would be a very grave and detrimental mistake if the west chooses to do so. Remember, theres always a single faction funding both sides of a war. War is good profit for a very small minority and the US government for quite sometime has wanted boots on the ground in Syria. PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION.
Nov 14 2015 5:11PM
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californiagrown
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THEDIRTYBUBBLETo close, I must say is probably the most disgusting attacks I've been alive for. I am horrified that those monsters could carry out such an action.


Are you like 8 years old? lol. this isnt even close to the worst or most disgusting terrorist attack of the decade, let alone since 9/11. seriously how old are you?



this was yet another despicable act of violence that no sane interpretation of the major religons would condone. Unfortunately there are a whole bunch of disaffected youth looking to join a cause, give purpose to their life and belong to a family. In the US those people are poor black youth and they have gangs. In the middle east it is the poor kids and they have radical islam led by a charismatic imam.
Nov 14 2015 5:42PM
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JohnLocke
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McLSI mean the worst aftershock to yesterday will be all those uneducated who do not understand the origins and implication of the middle east conflicts to having thoughts at the back of their heads. And again with all the religion bullshit, creating more tensions. The terrorists were french ffs, not invaders from another country. French. and they didn't always think like this. They were convinced, they had no education, they played too much killing games.


Thats the problem. ISIS has created a whole new paradigm of extremism, one that isn't centralized in a certain area. Should we choose to pursue ISIS at their root (Raqqa) we merely remove a cog in a massive, changing machine. The message ISIS is sending is one aimed at bringing sleeper extremists, for example, into action. ISIS has given them an outlet, a catalyst for action. What we need to do, is to somehow make extremism unpopular in the impoverished, downtrodden areas that foster it. Military intervention by itself merely invites more attacks by "vigilante" ISIS affiliates, who aren't officially sanctioned but feel closely tied to the group and seek to defend it. What needs to happen is a campaign aimed at showing youth and others who are prone to extremism that extremism is the worst possible route to diffuse their anger. They need to be educated on the true horror that it brings and the human cost. They must be shown that Islam, and religion in general, never calls for any action of this type, and that extremism violates the most basic doctrines of religion and humanity itself. They must be shown the deep, dark, evil that is modern extremism. Easier said than done, of course
Nov 14 2015 5:45PM
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Al-Shabbab killed 147 Kenyan university students today. Al-Shabbab is just as vicious as ISIS but flies under the radar in most of the main stream news sources.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32169080
Nov 14 2015 5:48PM
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SFB
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Jane6What we need is a world without borders. A world where a few doesnt own more than the rest of the world combined."

nice,gotta push that agenda no matter what, the amount of people i have seen using this tragedy to further their political agenda before the bodies were even cold is disgusting.
Nov 14 2015 6:06PM
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270on420out
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californiagrownAre you like 8 years old? lol. this isnt even close to the worst or most disgusting terrorist attack of the decade, let alone since 9/11. seriously how old .


I don't remember 9/11 at all really.
Nov 14 2015 6:17PM
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will_powder
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.MASSHOLE.Al-Shabbab killed 147 Kenyan university students today. Al-Shabbab is just as vicious as ISIS but flies under the radar in most of the main stream news sources.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32169080


April 3rd, 2015.....dates are hard for some people
Nov 14 2015 6:17PM
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californiagrown
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THEDIRTYBUBBLEI don't remember 9/11 at all really.


This year alone there were 9 separate terrorist attacks that killed more people than yesterdays attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015



But you only give two shits about white people, right?
Nov 14 2015 6:24PM
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J.D.
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Body count is also not the only way to judge how bad something is, hence the moral confusion surrounding Israel... but you're right, this stuff happens with unfortunate frequency and doesn't get as much attention when it doesn't happen in Paris.
Nov 14 2015 6:28PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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will_powderApril 3rd, 2015.....dates are hard for some people


Doh! I knew it sounded familiar. Whoopsies.
Nov 14 2015 6:40PM
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californiagrown
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J.D.Body count is also not the only way to judge how bad something is, hence the moral confusion surrounding Israel... but you're right, this stuff happens with unfortunate frequency and doesn't get as much attention when it doesn't happen in Paris.


Totally agree, but i don't see anything that makes this anymore tragic or disgusting than what it appears on the surface: more than a hundred innocent people people needlessly murdered in the name of ???
Nov 14 2015 7:00PM
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270on420out
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californiagrownThis year alone there were 9 separate terrorist attacks that killed more people than yesterdays attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015



But you only give two shits about white people, right?


Don't know how you came to that conclusion. I haven't heard of any of them.
Nov 14 2015 7:14PM
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erica
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californiagrownThis year alone there were 9 separate terrorist attacks that killed more people than yesterdays attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015


I think that a lot of people just never hear about these attacks. They're not typically on mainstream news, let alone not a lot of younger people watch mainstream news anymore, or television for that matter.

Can't blame the guy for being thrown off by the tragedy, and many people on this website weren't alive or weren't old enough to remember 9/11. His point he made was simply because he hasn't been informed of the other less mainstream attacks.
Nov 14 2015 7:23PM
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californiagrown
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THEDIRTYBUBBLEDon't know how you came to that conclusion. I haven't heard of any of them.


why is that?
Nov 14 2015 7:23PM
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qazwsxedc34
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Such a tragic event. I pray for the victims and their loved ones.

Apparently, several arrests and raids have been made in Belgium in connection to a rental car that has been found at the scene of the crime in Paris, France. It’s also important to note that just a few days before the attack the director of the CIA and Mossad met with the French Security Chief, and it is also important to note that on July 7th 2015, 40 grenades, 180 detonators and plastic explosives were STOLEN from a French military base.

ISIS had also captured the Raqqa passport office in Syria two years ago. They had an unknown amount of unknown authentic blank Syrian passports, so keep that in mind.

I hope this event does not fuel the need for boots in Syria and Iraq. We are inching dangerously close towards WW3, not trying to spread fear but still.
Nov 14 2015 7:24PM
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californiagrown
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ericaI think that a lot of people just never hear about these attacks. They're not typically on mainstream news, let alone not a lot of younger people watch mainstream news anymore, or television for that matter.

Can't blame the guy for being thrown off by the tragedy, and many people on this website weren't alive or weren't old enough to remember 9/11. His point he made was simply because he hasn't been informed of the other less mainstream attacks.


All of these were reported on in mainstream media. All of them. only 1 was given a ton of coverage and considered a tragedy. That is disgusting.


This tragedy in Paris will be used to stir up support for intervention in syria and iraq, but because Boko Haram only kills and kidnaps black people no one gives a shit, and intervention in Africa would be met with horror from the US and EU.
Nov 14 2015 7:29PM
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corona
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Wonder how long before someone claims it's an oil company conspiracy so the upcoming climate talks in Paris are cancelled.
Nov 14 2015 7:50PM
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Monsieur_Patate
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californiagrownAll of these were reported on in mainstream media. All of them. only 1 was given a ton of coverage and considered a tragedy. That is disgusting.


I saw you justifying mass murder of civilians to win a war, and also that an american life matters more than the life of hundreds of thousands foreign citizens.

Yet here you are, acting all upset because people are more affected by the deaths of their fellow countrymen (or at least people they can easily identify with) than people from another 'world' they can't possibly relate to?

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, my point is just that coming from you, this argument is fucking hilarious. Thanks for the laugh, though.
Nov 14 2015 8:24PM
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californiagrown
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Monsieur_PatateI saw you justifying mass murder of civilians to win a war, and also that an american life matters more than the life of hundreds of thousands foreign citizens.

Yet here you are, acting all upset because people are more affected by the deaths of their fellow countrymen (or at least people they can easily identify with) than people from another 'world' they can't possibly relate to?

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, my point is just that coming from you, this argument is fucking hilarious. Thanks for the laugh, though.


I do not agree with you that black lives do not matter.
Nov 14 2015 8:32PM
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Monsieur_Patate
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californiagrownI do not agree with you that black lives do not matter.


You are the one thinking about blacks because of your rampant racism.

It's not about skin color but about people you can relate to. People from western countries can relate to the black people killed yesterday in Paris, but they don't relate to the white people of Chechnya dying from terrorist attacks, for example.

I'm answering for the sake of arguing, but we both know you were trolling because your limited brain once again reached its limit. You'd be amazed at how many times I have read a post shaking my head at how stupid it was, only to find out you were the author.

I'm positive if NS ever implements negative ratings, that feature would be just for you.
Nov 14 2015 8:56PM
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californiagrown
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Monsieur_PatateYou are the one thinking about blacks because of your rampant racism.

It's not about skin color but about people you can relate to. People from western countries can relate to the black people killed yesterday in Paris, but they don't relate to the white people of Chechnya dying from terrorist attacks, for example.

I'm answering for the sake of arguing, but we both know you were trolling because your limited brain once again reached its limit. You'd be amazed at how many times I have read a post shaking my head at how stupid it was, only to find out you were the author.

I'm positive if NS ever implements negative ratings, that feature would be just for you.



its just sad that people like you and the guy i was originally quoting have no idea that this kind of thing happens on a near monthly basis. Only because it happened to a rich white country did you all start to care. where was the outrage before? No outrage for innocent black lives?


And FYI, newschoolers does have the negative ratings feature... please feel free to use it or leave me feedback.
Nov 14 2015 9:13PM
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Monsieur_Patate
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californiagrownits just sad that people like you and the guy i was originally quoting have no idea that this kind of thing happens on a near monthly basis. Only because it happened to a rich white country did you all start to care. where was the outrage before? No outrage for innocent black lives?


And FYI, newschoolers does have the negative ratings feature... please feel free to use it or leave me feedback.


Read up kid. As I said before I was not arguing on what you said, because I would tend to actually agree with the general idea. I was just pointing to the fact that based on some of your previous posts in other threads where you defended the fact that some lives matter more than others, you have no credibility on the matter.

And I can only rate you down to zero, I meant negative as in less than zero.
Nov 14 2015 9:29PM
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californiagrown
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Monsieur_PatateRead up kid. As I said before I was not arguing on what you said, because I would tend to actually agree with the general idea. I was just pointing to the fact that based on some of your previous posts in other threads where you defended the fact that some lives matter more than others, you have no credibility on the matter.

And I can only rate you down to zero, I meant negative as in less than zero.


yes, in war i absolutely believe that lives on MY side are worth far more than lives on the ENEMY side.

Are you now going to compare terrorism to warfare in WWII?


If i could rate you a negative... i wouldnt, cause who the fuck actually cares about internet forum rankings?bahaha
Nov 14 2015 9:37PM
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Rusticles
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VinnieFWonder how long before someone claims it's an oil company conspiracy so the upcoming climate talks in Paris are cancelled.


No shit, thought someone would have said it already, I see conspiracy theorists already trying to say it either didn't happen or the government is behind it to push some agenda to further control us
Nov 14 2015 9:56PM
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TVRNTVPOOP
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BombogenesisAt least one confirmed a Syrian refugee... Surprise!!!!!


Guess whos letting 25,000 "brave" Syrian refugees into their country!!! So brave of them to escape their war torn countries to just bring it over here. Almost every refugee was a man too, they left their wives and children in syria
Nov 14 2015 10:13PM
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TVRNTVPOOP
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Guess whos letting 25,000 "brave" Syrian refugees into their country!!! So brave of them to escape their war torn countries to just bring it over here. Almost every refugee was a man too, they left their wives and children in syria
Nov 14 2015 10:14PM
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californiagrown
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mrleheyGuess whos letting 25,000 "brave" Syrian refugees into their country!!! So brave of them to escape their war torn countries to just bring it over here. Almost every refugee was a man too, they left their wives and children in syria


Yeah, youre just wrong. flat out, brainwashed, wrong.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/


Please go sit in the corner, and think about what you have done.
Nov 14 2015 10:42PM
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TwigI'm not going to knee jerk write you off as a bigot either, but I'm interested to hear (given your point of view is that this is an inherent problem with Islam) what you think the solution is?

**This post was edited on Nov 14th 2015 at 1:23:47pm


This is a fair question, and I think a good springboard for discussion. I don't have an opportunity to delve much into this right this moment, but I do have some thoughts about it.

Maybe less thoughts on actionable solutions, and more thoughts on the nature of the problem itself. Or rather, the causal factors for why it seems that in recent history Muslims have been responsible for a disproportionate amount of religious inspired violence.

I'll get back to this thread to clarify a bit further where I'm coming from.
Nov 14 2015 10:43PM
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californiagrown
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casualThis is a fair question, and I think a good springboard for discussion. I don't have an opportunity to delve much into this right this moment, but I do have some thoughts about it.

Maybe less thoughts on actionable solutions, and more thoughts on the nature of the problem itself. Or rather, the causal factors for why it seems that in recent history Muslims have been responsible for a disproportionate amount of religious inspired violence.

I'll get back to this thread to clarify a bit further where I'm coming from.


so what do we do to stop the problem as you see it?
Nov 15 2015 12:32AM
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Rusticles
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californiagrownYeah, youre just wrong. flat out, brainwashed, wrong.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/


Please go sit in the corner, and think about what you have done.


That's a US article, it's unlikely, but possible that the Demographics of the refugees coming to Canada could be different,
Nov 15 2015 12:51AM
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californiagrown
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RusticlesThat's a US article, it's unlikely, but possible that the Demographics of the refugees coming to Canada could be different,


That is Canuckistan's fault if they are only choosing to allow in the young men... From the same article:


The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees — which refers refugees for resettlement in other countries — says there are more than 4 million registered Syrian refugees. Its figures on the demographic makeup of refugees is based on available data on the 2.1 million who were registered by the UNHCR in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon. (Another 1.9 million Syrian refugees were registered by the Government of Turkey, and more than 24,000 were registered in North Africa.)
UNHCR's data show that 50.5 percent of refugees are women. Females age 18 to 59 make up 23.9 percent of the refugees, while males in that age group make up 21.8 percent.
Even younger males — age 12 to 17 — represent 6.5 percent of refugees, while females that age are 6.1 percent. The majority of refugees — 51.1 percent — are under age 17, including 38.5 percent who are younger than 12 years old. These numbers were as of Sept. 6.
Nov 15 2015 1:07AM
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californiagrownso what do we do to stop the problem as you see it?


you find the people who do these things, and you kill them; all of them.

Time to stop trying to use skinny jeans and soy lattes to drain your body of testosterone and embrace the awesome power of violence. Its time to make some bodies turn cold. Then we hang out for more than a generation, controlling the environment that they grow up in.

We also start by electing leaders who want to win wars, not end them.
Nov 15 2015 1:47AM
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californiagrown
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cobra_commanderyou find the people who do these things, and you kill them; all of them.

Time to stop trying to use skinny jeans and soy lattes to drain your body of testosterone and embrace the awesome power of violence. Its time to make some bodies turn cold. Then we hang out for more than a generation, controlling the environment that they grow up in.

We also start by electing leaders who want to win wars, not end them.


You dont think that will breed more hatred of the USA, and in turn more terrorist organizations (not neccessarily based upon islam)?
Nov 15 2015 1:53AM
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Hesitant on calling this the start of World War III, but many didn't even consider that the serb killing the arch duke would be the tipping point that started the worst conflict in modern human history. obviously emotions are running high and people are scared but an all-out conflict of that size would just make things worse, i think.
Nov 15 2015 2:18AM
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californiagrownYou dont think



Should have ended it at that.
Nov 15 2015 2:26AM
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qazwsxedc34
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RusticlesNo shit, thought someone would have said it already, I see conspiracy theorists already trying to say it either didn't happen or the government is behind it to push some agenda to further control us


The government will exploit this tragedy to further their political and foreign interests.
Nov 15 2015 2:38AM
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HSmith
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californiagrownYou dont think that will breed more hatred of the USA, and in turn more terrorist organizations (not neccessarily based upon islam)?


This.

There needs to be a global retaliation. This includes countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and any other neighbor that does't wan't ISIS to move in. If the U.S keeps going in alone and fucking up shit we are only going to fuel more hatred.
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