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JustGoWithItI see how mandatory service works for smaller countries; however, there are over 31 million 18-24 year olds in the United States. Do we really need that many military personal?
JustGoWithItI see how mandatory service works for smaller countries; however, there are over 31 million 18-24 year olds in the United States. Do we really need that many military personal?
SamtheEagleThe mandatory voting thread inspired me to make a thread about another issue. Mandatory Military service is something I think should be required for 3 main reasons. 1. We would get into fewer wars if everyone in the nation had a son, daughter, or friend who was going to go overseas and risk their lives for the nation. 2. the split between military and non military would be eliminated and we could stop a lot of the animosity between the two and unite the nation. 3. I believe it would strengthen our nation as a whole and if we ever needed people to fight we would have plenty, not that we would ever need that and eliminate the need for a draft. I am thinking something like 2 years of service and it doesn't have to be simply as an infantryman (although everyone should get that basic training) but it would introduce people to all sorts of vocational training or other education. Lets keep this civil people. Discuss.
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-benedettoBe forced to fight wars you don't believe in? Terrible idea. Having family in the war doesn't stop anything. I'm sure that can be proved.
And this is coming from a Veteran. Yes, I did mature as a disciplined adult helping me later in life but still, terrible idea.
AlsoKnownAsYou really had to go there?
First this is a horrible idea.
Second how old are you? I'm just curious. I would be surprised it you were out of high school.
Most of what is going on over seas, has nothing to do with protecting Americans and are freedoms, so we can just throw that out the window to start.
2. Okay. What did you just light up a doober, throw on bob marley and find out how to save the world?
3. You do realize we have a massive, massive military. We have absurd amounts of troops in countries we haven't even been at war with in half a century or more. Look at the numbers. We don't nee more troops. More troops, with nothing to do just means we'll invade more countries in stupid wars, and get people killed unnecessarily.
I hope you're just crushing the trolling game right now. I would buy you a beer.
If not, i don't even know.
Did you ever post on NYskiblog? You sound just like somebody that used to post on there.
SamtheEagleI respectfully disagree. I think the transition period into it would be terribly rough but like you aknowledge that it helped you in the long run I think it would help america in the long run.
SamtheEagleWe really do not have that many troops for how much we spend on the military. I agree we currently use our military for reasons other than protecting us and I think that would change with compulsory military service. That would change if everyone served and knew what it was like to go through training and service.
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-benedettoHelp America do what exactly?
What makes you think it would change? More troops so why not use them? All the money is going to million dollar tanks, airplanes, bombs, you name it. Meanwhile, Veterans are fighting for medicine and too many are committing suicide.
It all sounds like a good idea till you dig deeper. Why don't you give the military a shot?
SamtheEagleI think of it as an investment in our youth. It would go towards education and training so youth would mature and have a better idea about the next step in life after they get out. I also think that it would unite the nation and eliminate some of those post military problems like veterans ending up on the street. One of the problems I see in todays society is that there is a divide between the military and the citizens. I think we would improve those programs if everyone was serving
Dustin.How about mandatory community service instead.
SamtheEagleWe are putting a ton of money into the military,
SamtheEagleWe really do not have that many troops for how much we spend on the military. I agree we currently use our military for reasons other than protecting us and I think that would change with compulsory military service. That would change if everyone served and knew what it was like to go through training and service.
You are going to buy me a lowely high schooler a beer???? Thanks!
No I am not in high school, I am out of college. No I haven't posted on that blog. Finally, No I am not a Troll. I am pretty sure we all know which one of us is the troll.
SamtheEagleAre you thinking of something like the peace corp? It was originally created as an alternative to military service and I like the idea but I think it would cause a huge divide between those who serve in the military and those who serve in the peace corp. Just some quick thoughts
SamtheEagleWe really do not have that many troops for how much we spend on the military. I agree we currently use our military for reasons other than protecting us and I think that would change with compulsory military service. That would change if everyone served and knew what it was like to go through training and service.
PeppermillRenoOP- You make good points.
There is no accountability in our system. Remember 10x more people will go to jail in our society right now than will serve in the armed forces. People are just removed from it and as you say have no attachment since it almost certainly won't be their kid getting shot.
I don't think more people joining the military is the answer. I think the answer is to de-emphasize the military and have some fucking respect for the military that won BOTH world wars as an extremely PEACEFUL ISOLATIONIST nation that MINDED ITS OWN FUCKING BUSINESS..... but still entered and ENDED both world wards. Respect the USA's ability to mind its own fucking business but to settle serious international conflict when needed and things will be OK.
But we are a society full of shitheads who want to be involved and control everything so it doesn't work like it used to. Again the USA went to great lengths to AVOID both WW1 and WW2 they tried to stay out of both as much as possible despite being the clear cut winners of both ending both conflicts within roughly a year of entering them.
DBack1321This is a complete derailment of this thread haha, but I hate it when people say the US won and ended both World Wars. That is just completely dishonest. Your point has more merit in WW1 though, as one of the reasons for the Ludendorff Offensive was because the US entered the war, the Germans were already on the ropes at that point and knew they were going to lose if they didn't do something drastic, so they went all in. They made massive advances, the biggest since 1914, but it wasn't enough and the failure of the offense ended trench warfare and turned it into a mobile one again. At that point, the Germans days were numbered. You could argue that the US involvement sped up the end of the war, but you have to remember that Germany was fully blockaded, people and the military were starving and they were thinking of negotiating with the West.
As far as WW2, the US had even less of an impact in the European Theater. Theres no doubt we finished off Japan and bore the brunt of that front, but the British and Dutch were also fighting there. The Pacific theater was also a lot smaller in scale as far as land battles, but navel battles were much more important. In Europe, Hitler lost the war as soon as he launched Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union. The Eastern Front is where the fate of the entire war was decided. Yes, they made massive advances, but the Soviet Union is not a small country, land mass and population speaking haha. Hitler invaded at literally the only time he could. It was not possible to do it sooner as troops were tied up in the Balkans and if he waited, the Soviets would have built up more troops and equipment. They new the days of their treaty with Germany were numbered. They just weren't expecting an invasion so soon. After Barbarossa was underway yes it was largely successful at first, but it was doomed to fail. Even if they had captured Moscow, it wouldn't have mattered as they could just relocate it farther east. The Germans would've probably been kicked out of Moscow during the next offensive. At that point their fate was sealed. The Germans didn't attack Moscow again during the Spring of 1942 because the Soviets had massed troops there and that offensive would've failed. So they attacked South. The Soviets reacted, drew them into Stalingrad then destroyed an entire Army in and around the city. At that point the Germans were on the ropes, again. They're last effort was at Kursk, that failed in the summer of 1943 and at that point the Germans were in a fighting retreat/route for the remainder of the war.
Yes, again, the US helped though lend lease and drawing troops away from the Eastern Front, but the war was lost for Germany in 1941. The US did help speed it up, but Soviets would've been in Berlin eventually.
SamtheEagleThe mandatory voting thread inspired me to make a thread about another issue. Mandatory Military service is something I think should be required for 3 main reasons. 1. We would get into fewer wars if everyone in the nation had a son, daughter, or friend who was going to go overseas and risk their lives for the nation. 2. the split between military and non military would be eliminated and we could stop a lot of the animosity between the two and unite the nation. 3. I believe it would strengthen our nation as a whole and if we ever needed people to fight we would have plenty, not that we would ever need that and eliminate the need for a draft. I am thinking something like 2 years of service and it doesn't have to be simply as an infantryman (although everyone should get that basic training) but it would introduce people to all sorts of vocational training or other education. Lets keep this civil people. Discuss.