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Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
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Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
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Weekends
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLA
Sick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
The Right to Strike
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States
And you still think unions are bullshit?
Woah there cowboy. I'm talking about today's unions which aim to ensure the future of unions rather than protect the rights of the workers.
I never understood why labor unions are not undoubtedly protected by freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of association, bargaining should never be made illegal, it seems completely ridiculous to me
THEDIRTYBUBBLEWoah there cowboy. I'm talking about today's unions which aim to ensure the future of unions rather than protect the rights of the workers.
Well that's complete bullshit.
Occupations with unions see on average an 11% higher income for other jobs with similar characteristics.
Union employers are also more likely to provide benefits to their employees. Union workers nationwide are 28.2 percent more likely to be covered by employer-provided health insurance and 53.9% more likely to have employer provided pensions compared to workers in similar jobs that aren't in unions.
Non union employees are almost more likely to be fired without will. Whereas employees who are part of union have a much higher rate of job security.
And lastly, collective bargaining is much more effective than one person asking his/her boss for a raise or better working conditions.
The hate against unions is nothing more than right wing propaganda. Unions are an imperfect system. Just like any political system. However it's the best system we have to currently protect workers from past, current and future abuses of employees by employers.
Fun Fact. The Australian government spent 56 million dollars in a royal commision into union corruption that did not produce one charge or conviction. However what it did find is that Lis Con failed to pay their workers superannuation as well as found that Lis Con was hiring backpackers illegally. However was any Lis Con worker charged? Fuck no. Because it's much more pleasing to voters to think that the government is doing something about an issue that is falsified than to actually prosecute workers for a company that is one of the biggest donors to the Liberal party in Australia.
Occupations with unions see on average an 11% higher income for other jobs with similar characteristics.
Union employers are also more likely to provide benefits to their employees. Union workers nationwide are 28.2 percent more likely to be covered by employer-provided health insurance and 53.9% more likely to have employer provided pensions compared to workers in similar jobs that aren't in unions.
None of that is out of generosity, it's out of if you don't give us (the union) x,y, and z then you can kiss your whole workforce goodbye.
Just like above, labor unions are made for lazy people that want to put out half the effort (not speaking for everyone) and when it comes close to their termination, they have the union to back them up. It's big here in Detroit as you all probably know. Blah blah blah.
Weekends
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLA
Sick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
The Right to Strike
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States
And you still think unions are bullshit?
You're an idiot if you think all of these are products of unionization.
BrothsTopazJust like above, labor unions are made for lazy people that want to put out half the effort (not speaking for everyone) and when it comes close to their termination, they have the union to back them up. It's big here in Detroit as you all probably know. Blah blah blah.
Unions destroy small businesses. They have their place in some places(teachers unions)
The.Natty.VeganSources to back up your opinion that unions make people lazy?
Experience is worth more than some editorial you read online from a bunch of lefties. Having grown up in manufacturing, I can tell you that Union shops, more often than not, are full of lazy workers and old farts who don't feel they have to do anything.
The fact is that there is a time and place for unions, but unions aren't the saving grace they used to be.
There are employees that abuse labor union power much like there are citizens that abuse unemployment & disability income. The systems are meant to be a fall back, a fail safe, but they are easily exploitable by the lazy and unmotivated. In a perfect world, there would be equal give and take between parties & unions would be mutually beneficial, much like any government benefit system. Take professional sports as an extreme example. If the players lacked the ability to collectively bargain for increased player safety, veteran minimum salaries, insurance, practice time limitations, etc. then they would be run out of the league in a matter of year. Rookies first round draft picks would still see max contracts. The average lifetime and tenure of players would dramatically decrease. The CBA then relieves the league of a certain degree of liability, thus it is mutually beneficial for both sides. Is it perfect? By no means, but it is a far better system for creating equity than giving every team and every player free reign.
I have got a timer on how long it takes Natty.Vegan to google enough "facts" to reply to everyone.
Probably got sidetracked spanking it to michaelmoore.com
ianrich511I have got a timer on how long it takes Natty.Vegan to google enough "facts" to reply to everyone.
Probably got sidetracked spanking it to michaelmoore.com
surprised you haven't linked a Bill O'reilly article saying why unions suck. Lol I can do that too.
Unions make for lazy workers??? Well I'm sorry for using facts, I know they go against your prejudices, but ehhhh. There is zero substance that can back up your claim. If anything there's a correlation that the higher the Unionized rate, the higher the current account balance. INB4 correlation doesn't mean causation.
And someone brought up Detroit as an example of unions hurting America? Well that's false. Ross Eisenbrey called UAW influence almost irrelevant.
"Autoworker wages didn't make the Big Three uncompetitive by driving prices up; poor value drove prices down. As prices and quality fell together, consumers fled. The UAW's contracts were almost irrelevant. One way to show this is to compare the pricing of the competitors' vehicles with the size of the labor cost differential bargained by the UAW. Labor costs make up only 10 percent of the cost of a typical automobile. Before the auto rescue, the Big Three paid $55 an hour in compensation per auto worker while the Japanese paid only $46 an hour. (Company lobbyists and publicists inflated the total Big Three labor cost to $71 by attributing the unfunded pension and health benefit costs for decades of retired workers to the much smaller currently employed workforce; the legacy costs for Japanese transplants were only $3 an hour.) But even if, for the sake of argument, we accept the unfairly inflated $71 figure, the difference in the cost of a vehicle attributable to the UAW (the UAW premium) would be 30 percent of the average 10 percent labor cost, or 3 percent of total cost."
Yes Unions aren't perfect, however they are the best system we currently have to protect workers. But I'm glad your own anecdotal evidence will trump my facts. But hey this is all just communist propaganda right? In a world where the current wealth inequality gap between the richest 1% and the middle class is the largest it has ever been you want to take away the one thing that allows workers to better negotiate for wages, and working conditions and you wish to take away that power?
The.Natty.Vegansurprised you haven't linked a Bill O'reilly article saying why unions suck. Lol I can do that too.
Unions make for lazy workers??? Well I'm sorry for using facts, I know they go against your prejudices, but ehhhh. There is zero substance that can back up your claim. If anything there's a correlation that the higher the Unionized rate, the higher the current account balance. INB4 correlation doesn't mean causation.
And someone brought up Detroit as an example of unions hurting America? Well that's false. Ross Eisenbrey called UAW influence almost irrelevant.
"Autoworker wages didn't make the Big Three uncompetitive by driving prices up; poor value drove prices down. As prices and quality fell together, consumers fled. The UAW's contracts were almost irrelevant. One way to show this is to compare the pricing of the competitors' vehicles with the size of the labor cost differential bargained by the UAW. Labor costs make up only 10 percent of the cost of a typical automobile. Before the auto rescue, the Big Three paid $55 an hour in compensation per auto worker while the Japanese paid only $46 an hour. (Company lobbyists and publicists inflated the total Big Three labor cost to $71 by attributing the unfunded pension and health benefit costs for decades of retired workers to the much smaller currently employed workforce; the legacy costs for Japanese transplants were only $3 an hour.) But even if, for the sake of argument, we accept the unfairly inflated $71 figure, the difference in the cost of a vehicle attributable to the UAW (the UAW premium) would be 30 percent of the average 10 percent labor cost, or 3 percent of total cost."
Yes Unions aren't perfect, however they are the best system we currently have to protect workers. But I'm glad your own anecdotal evidence will trump my facts. But hey this is all just communist propaganda right? In a world where the current wealth inequality gap between the richest 1% and the middle class is the largest it has ever been you want to take away the one thing that allows workers to better negotiate for wages, and working conditions and you wish to take away that power?
ianrich511They have their place in some places(teachers unions)
Fuck teachers unions. I'm all for teachers earning and receiving more, but teacher tenure is terrible for education and teachers unions fight against proper evaluations of teacher performance. They do this because currently teachers get paid shit. I would love to see an agreement between government and teachers/unions that provides significant raises and benefits to teachers that perform well while eliminating tenure and giving schools the ability to properly assess teaching effectiveness.
On unions overall, I'm not sure where I stand. To me, the argument seems almost analogous to that of whether religion is still relevant in our society: both did so much for so many in "ye olde goode timez" but what is their role now? However, there's no doubt that workers need protection. Exploitation and extortion of human labor or the possibility thereof should not be an option.
The.Natty.Vegansurprised you haven't linked a Bill O'reilly article saying why unions suck. Lol I can do that too.
Unions make for lazy workers??? Well I'm sorry for using facts, I know they go against your prejudices, but ehhhh. There is zero substance that can back up your claim. If anything there's a correlation that the higher the Unionized rate, the higher the current account balance. INB4 correlation doesn't mean causation.
And someone brought up Detroit as an example of unions hurting America? Well that's false. Ross Eisenbrey called UAW influence almost irrelevant.
"Autoworker wages didn't make the Big Three uncompetitive by driving prices up; poor value drove prices down. As prices and quality fell together, consumers fled. The UAW's contracts were almost irrelevant. One way to show this is to compare the pricing of the competitors' vehicles with the size of the labor cost differential bargained by the UAW. Labor costs make up only 10 percent of the cost of a typical automobile. Before the auto rescue, the Big Three paid $55 an hour in compensation per auto worker while the Japanese paid only $46 an hour. (Company lobbyists and publicists inflated the total Big Three labor cost to $71 by attributing the unfunded pension and health benefit costs for decades of retired workers to the much smaller currently employed workforce; the legacy costs for Japanese transplants were only $3 an hour.) But even if, for the sake of argument, we accept the unfairly inflated $71 figure, the difference in the cost of a vehicle attributable to the UAW (the UAW premium) would be 30 percent of the average 10 percent labor cost, or 3 percent of total cost."
Yes Unions aren't perfect, however they are the best system we currently have to protect workers. But I'm glad your own anecdotal evidence will trump my facts. But hey this is all just communist propaganda right? In a world where the current wealth inequality gap between the richest 1% and the middle class is the largest it has ever been you want to take away the one thing that allows workers to better negotiate for wages, and working conditions and you wish to take away that power?
Nice data! I also dug up this bit of data that is also incredibly conclusive, backed by hard evidence dude!
Lol. On a serious note, labours are good and bad. I think they go way overboard, at least where I am (UK, not america). People have just gotten lazy as hell and sit on their asses. Its the same people that are afraid of immigrants undercutting their work with lower prices. If you want something, work for it don't feel like you deserve it for nothing.
Just my opinion, not trying to start a flame war here.
Well since I had an interview today with a job that is union and its a great chance I get it, I say no, they shouldn't. I'm leaving a privately owned company where I make not great money, have shit benefits like my health insurance is too expensive for me to afford with no dental or perks. Yeah, I could find a better job...wait, I did and it's union ;)
Also as far as the whole rant about the 8 hour day, 40 hour work week, and over time. FUCK THAT SHIT.
I actually prefer not getting overtime pay. You actually end up working less hours and it's like "Well I could do this this and this, but I actually can't because I hit 40 hours so I guess I'll just not".
I'd much rather have the ability to work 50 + if needed.
I can understand the idea and why some people might dig it, but to be it's actually a huge negative.
Also, we have a million laws for a million things. If you got rid of unions, we wouldn't all of the sudden be working in sweat shops sewing hoodies all day with 6 year olds working 103764649373 hours a week, getting beaten if we talk to each other or don't produce enough.
