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S.J.Wso you can't refute anything I said so you just attack me because I support Bernie. Nice. Real nice.
Nah, I just already knew I was "wasting" my time responding to you originally. Pretty sure I actually said I wasnt going to spend anymore time going back and forth with you becuase its pointless for both of us.
The Bernie stuff is just for fun because his followers are generally the easiest to offend. I honestly do appreciate your posts because youre not just a mindless berniebot and show you have have some level of actual understanding. His campaign could have used more HIGH ENERGY supporters like yourself. I would have preferred a Trump v Bernie election. What state are you in?
mirozThis is a pretty good Trump impression actually. 10/10, would read again.
ty, his twitter is hilarious. His mannerisms are easy to pick up on and are easily identifiable and I think thats why a lot of people are liking him. He doesnt really curse, but its NS so w.e.
Phil-X-Nah, I just already knew I was "wasting" my time responding to you originally. Pretty sure I actually said I wasnt going to spend anymore time going back and forth with you becuase its pointless for both of us.
The Bernie stuff is just for fun because his followers are generally the easiest to offend. I honestly do appreciate your posts because youre not just a mindless berniebot and show you have have some level of actual understanding. His campaign could have used more HIGH ENERGY supporters like yourself. I would have preferred a Trump v Bernie election. What state are you in?
ty, his twitter is hilarious. His mannerisms are easy to pick up on and are easily identifiable and I think thats why a lot of people are liking him. He doesnt really curse, but its NS so w.e.
I'm not in any state. I live in Australia. I've just seen Bernie and what he stands for and I think he is one of the best candidates I've seen in an election in a long time.
Granite_StateI understand he doesnt micromanage but still. Practice what you preach. Even at the top you can still ensure all your workers are legal. Trump outsources and hires illegal, undocumented workers. He had an "educational institution" that was actually defrauding everyday Americans (one of his 4 bankrupted businesses).
No doubt Rubio isnt in good standing but it was nice to see someone challenge Trump with substance as well as watching Trump get booed.
I agree, but again, he was in business and he'll go with the best contractors to get the job done. I don't think sticking to philosophical principles was his greatest concern at the time. Is there an element of hypocrisy? Sure, but it's not overriding.
In terms of his attempts to create for-profit educational institution, I do find this distasteful, as I find all for-profit "universities" distasteful. However, if we are to attack Trump for this, it would be better to be fair and also highlight the fact that Bill Clinton, and the Clinton Foundation, made millions of dollars (16 million) from a fraudulent for-profit "university" named Laureate International. This was Clinton's primary source of income, while Trump University was blip on a massive portfolio of businesses.
If we are to condemn Trump for Trump University, then we must apply that condemnation equally across all for-profit universities, which are all essentially a scam. This includes Laureate International.
Rubio has no substance, he's the Republican Obama. He's got his handlers and donors behind the scenes that give him his script and his orders. Trump was getting booed at these ridiculous debates because the Republican party donors have been stacking the audience. Although I wasn't sure about Trump at first, I cannot help but be amazed at how well he's put Republican corruption on clear display (as has Bernie to a much lesser degree in the Democratic Party). The corruption is just over the top. I agree with Bernie, strike down the precedent set my the Citizens United case. Bar corporations and unions from donating to political campaigns, and expel all lobbyists from Washington. I know this is wishful thinking, but it's what needs to happen before we can start having an honest political discussion.
Lastly, Little Marco is a total fraud. Open borders Republicans may as well be Democrats. In fact, I have more respect for the Democrats who oppose horrible trade deals than the corrupt Republicans who vote for them (like Obama's TPP). If you had any doubts that Obama is fully controlled by his donors and handlers behind the scenes, just take a few minutes to research the actual implications of the TPP.
CampeadorAlthough I wasn't sure about Trump at first, I cannot help but be amazed at how well he's put Republican corruption on clear display (as has Bernie to a much lesser degree in the Democratic Party). The corruption is just over the top. I agree with Bernie, strike down the precedent set my the Citizens United case. Bar corporations and unions from donating to political campaigns, and expel all lobbyists from Washington. I know this is wishful thinking, but it's what needs to happen before we can start having an honest political discussion.
While I agree wholeheartedly with the core of your argument I have a really hard time with your stance that Trump has exposed corruption to a greater degree than Bernie. Bern has been rallying against the machine for decades, whereas Trump's facade is largely a fraud in and of itself. I can see how people could be misled into thinking he's a successful person or that he's just being honest, it's just funny to me that more people don't actually look into his history themselves. That facade is paper thin. The guy is a piece of work though, I'll give him that! Fun to watch? Sure... But this is the future of our country not shock jock radio or reality TV.
Huck_NorrisWhile I agree wholeheartedly with the core of your argument I have a really hard time with your stance that Trump has exposed corruption to a greater degree than Bernie. Bern has been rallying against the machine for decades, whereas Trump's facade is largely a fraud in and of itself. I can see how people could be misled into thinking he's a successful person or that he's just being honest, it's just funny to me that more people don't actually look into his history themselves. That facade is paper thin. The guy is a piece of work though, I'll give him that! Fun to watch? Sure... But this is the future of our country not shock jock radio or reality TV.
Still, people are responding at a more significant level to Republican corruption than they are to Democrat corruption (as evidenced by the caucus and primary results). The fact that people can bring themselves to actually vote for Hillary is proof enough. You cannot deny that Trump is connecting with voters on this issue to a much greater degree than Sanders.
Trump approaches the problem understanding all the machinations of it, having been a part of it for so long. Sanders approaches it like the guy who wasn't invited to the party. Unfortunately, the antidotes prescribed by Sanders are potentially worse than the disease.
I'm not going to say that there are not elements of Trump that give me pause. However, I do think he is an American patriot, and I find his attitude of "America first" to be a great change of course from the nonsense we have now. Whatever Trump's failings, the United States needs a president that puts the interests of U.S. citizens first. The horrible, corrupt politicians we have now (on both sides) have forgotten that.
These clowns that only worry about the people who pad their pockets and fund their campaigns need to be purged with extreme prejudice. Trump, I believe, has the opportunity and ability to do this better than Sanders ever will. Hence why the Republican establishment is losing its goddamn mind over Trump.
CampeadorStill, people are responding at a more significant level to Republican corruption than they are to Democrat corruption (as evidenced by the caucus and primary results). The fact that people can bring themselves to actually vote for Hillary is proof enough. You cannot deny that Trump is connecting with voters on this issue to a much greater degree than Sanders.
Trump approaches the problem understanding all the machinations of it, having been a part of it for so long. Sanders approaches it like the guy who wasn't invited to the party. Unfortunately, the antidotes prescribed by Sanders are potentially worse than the disease.
I'm not going to say that there are not elements of Trump that give me pause. However, I do think he is an American patriot, and I find his attitude of "America first" to be a great change of course from the nonsense we have now. Whatever Trump's failings, the United States needs a president that puts the interests of U.S. citizens first. The horrible, corrupt politicians we have now (on both sides) have forgotten that.
These clowns that only worry about the people who pad their pockets and fund their campaigns need to be purged with extreme prejudice. Trump, I believe, has the opportunity and ability to do this better than Sanders ever will. Hence why the Republican establishment is losing its goddamn mind over Trump.
See but Trump gives exactly 0 fucks about the people. He touts "good deals" from which he squandered over half of his inheritance with, but through them he also defaulted on thousands of his casino workers' pensions and retirements too... What is a good deal for Trump is generally an awful deal for the rest of us. So yeah sure- he knows the ins and outs of the system- and he has abused them for decades. It's well known and documented.
It's just a hilarious proposition. A wall? I mean come on. Has he ever heard of the one in China or the one in Berlin??? That's just a simple story for simple minded people with a convenient monster under the bed in the illegal immigrants that will suddenly stop trying lol... I'm not aware of a single positive measure he's looking to employ, actually. Literally every single thing he's said is complete bullshit and we (the editorial 'we' of course) just love it because we as Americans are undereducated, fearful and insecure yet incredibly prideful. To someone who has no idea what they're talking about, sure it sounds great lol... Because it's a fairy tale. Those always sound great!
I do appreciate your articulation though. Can you objectively point to a single solitary initiative he's put forth that will have positive impact for anybody but him? If you could I would actually like to hear it. I'm convinced he can't be ALL bad but I have yet to see anything that falls into the "sane decision" category.
CampeadorStill, people are responding at a more significant level to Republican corruption than they are to Democrat corruption (as evidenced by the caucus and primary results). The fact that people can bring themselves to actually vote for Hillary is proof enough. You cannot deny that Trump is connecting with voters on this issue to a much greater degree than Sanders.
Trump approaches the problem understanding all the machinations of it, having been a part of it for so long. Sanders approaches it like the guy who wasn't invited to the party. Unfortunately, the antidotes prescribed by Sanders are potentially worse than the disease.
I'm not going to say that there are not elements of Trump that give me pause. However, I do think he is an American patriot, and I find his attitude of "America first" to be a great change of course from the nonsense we have now. Whatever Trump's failings, the United States needs a president that puts the interests of U.S. citizens first. The horrible, corrupt politicians we have now (on both sides) have forgotten that.
These clowns that only worry about the people who pad their pockets and fund their campaigns need to be purged with extreme prejudice. Trump, I believe, has the opportunity and ability to do this better than Sanders ever will. Hence why the Republican establishment is losing its goddamn mind over Trump.
Trump isn't gaining popularity because he's exposing corruption. Trump is corruption in a nut shell. Trump is gaining popularity because he's playing on peoples fears and prejudices. As well as being a celebrity. I have not seen one video where people say they admire Trump because he's exposing corruption. Where as I see people loving Trump because of his extreme views, his rhetoric and he's entertaining. People can relate to Trump because he's a celebrity, everyone wants to be a celebrity, no one wants to be a politician.
But Trump is not a patriot. Anyone who manufactures their "make america great again" hats in China is not a patriot. Anyone who makes their clothing line in china is not a patriot. Anyone who dodges military service whilst serving in the military is not a patriot. And let's not forget he said that the aids epidemic was his personal vietnam. Seriously, can you get any more disrespectful than that? Trump is not a patriot. A patriot does not want to strip 30 million people of health insurance. But most importantly, anyone who thinks America isn't already great isn't a patriot. America has one of the strongest economies in the world, the problems America face aren't problems Trump is addressing, they're illusions that don't exist. "Make America Great Again" has been an age old rhetoric by conservatives and holds no real substance pass the slogan.
Did you hear about the Pro-Bernie Aus Labor Party people in the states? I wonder if anything will come of that
Wait, as in the labor party of Australia? Yeah nah, they're a joke. Or how the labor party paid for a few Australians to contribute to the Bernie campaign?
S.J.WOr how the labor party paid for a few Australians to contribute to the Bernie campaign?
Yea and got recorded tearing out Trump signs in peoples lawns and wanting to switch out Hillary material for Bernie stuff, apparently it violates a couple different election laws.
Phil-X-Yea and got recorded tearing out Trump signs in peoples lawns and wanting to switch out Hillary material for Bernie stuff, apparently it violates a couple different election laws.
hahahahh it's pretty funny.
Literally no one in Australia gives a single fuck about it. It got like 30 seconds on morning TV and didn't even make the ABC news which is probably the least biased news outlet in Australia
Im starting to feel this is what pre-Nazi Germany was like except we will be rounding up muslims. Its time to seriously consider that history could possibly repeat itself.
is it just me or are most Trump supporters trolls? So many seem to just say they want Trump to "piss off the liberals" or "he speaks from the heart". Well, speaking from the heart does not imply he is smart. Trump happens to say what is on the minds of millions of Americans.. and that is scary.
However, you can't hate on Trump because it fuels his campaign. Trolls live off hate
louie.miragsis it just me or are most Trump supporters trolls? So many seem to just say they want Trump to "piss off the liberals" or "he speaks from the heart". Well, speaking from the heart does not imply he is smart. Trump happens to say what is on the minds of millions of Americans.. and that is scary.
However, you can't hate on Trump because it fuels his campaign. Trolls live off hate
Yep to all of this. I'm a leftist but I used to love to have conversations with fiscally conservative libertarians. Tons of cool and great ideas.
Trump represents the opposite of all those ideas. The guy is just a salesman and is just saying all the right things to sell a product. He doesn't care about governing, or policies. He just wants to be in power and will say anything to have that power. I was reading the Sum of all Fears and thought about what if Trump was in the position of the president in that situation.
Think of the Cuban missile crisis....then imagine Trump replacing JFK in that situation. That is what worries the world...a man child could be in control of the largest destructive force that this planet has ever seen.
MLBYep to all of this. I'm a leftist but I used to love to have conversations with fiscally conservative libertarians. Tons of cool and great ideas.
Trump represents the opposite of all those ideas. The guy is just a salesman and is just saying all the right things to sell a product. He doesn't care about governing, or policies. He just wants to be in power and will say anything to have that power. I was reading the Sum of all Fears and thought about what if Trump was in the position of the president in that situation.
Think of the Cuban missile crisis....then imagine Trump replacing JFK in that situation. That is what worries the world...a man child could be in control of the largest destructive force that this planet has ever seen.
I'm right there with you. Rand Paul had the chance to be an extremely smart guy in a very powerful position. Unfortunately the cards just didn't fall in his favor. He was the least crazy guy up there and for this election being a normal guy just didn't work out. I would love to see him or someone similar to him run in the next election.
MLBTrump represents the opposite of all those ideas. The guy is just a salesman and is just saying all the right things to sell a product. He doesn't care about governing, or policies. He just wants to be in power and will say anything to have that power. I was reading the Sum of all Fears and thought about what if Trump was in the position of the president in that situation.
Yeah he is salesman/businessman I have heard say when discussing Trump. People leave out the fact Trump utilized the Mob to run the businesses that he started with Daddy's money and the mob controlled the competition. More crooked politicians is the last thing we need.
Turd.FergusonI'm right there with you. Rand Paul had the chance to be an extremely smart guy in a very powerful position. Unfortunately the cards just didn't fall in his favor. He was the least crazy guy up there and for this election being a normal guy just didn't work out. I would love to see him or someone similar to him run in the next election.
I am excited for the future with Rand as well. I still think he would be the cool candidate to vote as opposed to Bernie if he would have got his message out better. So many young voters would side with Rand if they heard him out
NaptownBUILD THE WALL FUCK ALL YOU LEFTIST RETARDS.
not trolling I actually think you are a retard if your voting for sanders or bernie.
Cruz is a better candidate and will probably win the nomination
The exact trolling I was talking about. Why are you "retarded" if you vote for "sanders or Bernie"? (whatever the means) The trolls like to spew phrases without backing them up. So why is Cruz the better candidate?
Granite_StateAt least get their last name right...
From someone who probably internally screamed "RACIST!" whenever someone brought up Barack Hussein's inconvenient muslim middle name.
I really don't understand the whole "Drumpf" thing, many immigrants from Europe altered their last names after immigrating to the United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, in order to make them sound more Anglo.
MLBYep to all of this. I'm a leftist but I used to love to have conversations with fiscally conservative libertarians. Tons of cool and great ideas.
Trump represents the opposite of all those ideas. The guy is just a salesman and is just saying all the right things to sell a product. He doesn't care about governing, or policies. He just wants to be in power and will say anything to have that power. I was reading the Sum of all Fears and thought about what if Trump was in the position of the president in that situation.
Think of the Cuban missile crisis....then imagine Trump replacing JFK in that situation. That is what worries the world...a man child could be in control of the largest destructive force that this planet has ever seen.
i would hardly say trump represents the opposite of libertarian ideas, is he a full fledged libertarian, not at all, but i see a lot of leanings towards libertarian ideas.
The big point is he supports much lower taxes, which is a cornerstone of a libertarian ideology.
He has swayed back and forth on the abortion issues, but has been said to support a women right to choose, very libertarian in nature.
he wants reduced defense budget, in line with libertarian ideas again
supports school choice, libertarian
in the past he has supported legalization of drugs, his view has become more conservative lately, toning it back to yes for medical marijuana and just study legalization for now, overall still fairly liberal
again is he a fully fledged libertarian, not at all, i can( but im sure you will do it for me) provide issues where he is more Conservative, but to say he is the opposite of that is ridiculous.
Trump rising, while Sanders is sinking faster than a lead pipe.
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Either way, come November, you're going to have to deal with another democrat president for another four years. The republican party really shot themselves in the foot.
Abu-BaghdadiEither way, come November, you're going to have to deal with another democrat president for another four years. The republican party really shot themselves in the foot.
They are both mathmatically out. Their best shot now is to get a contested win in July since Trump will win the delegates but may not reach the 1237.
For me, this seals the deal for a vote for Trump. Cruz and Kasich are establishment snakes determined to do whatever it takes to win. its obvious its a personal thing now not for the people who voted them in
They are both mathmatically out. Their best shot now is to get a contested win in July since Trump will win the delegates but may not reach the 1237.
For me, this seals the deal for a vote for Trump. Cruz and Kasich are establishment snakes determined to do whatever it takes to win. its obvious its a personal thing now not for the people who voted them in
.MASSHOLE.but this election cycle has failed to follow any sort of pattern.
Really? Seems pretty predictable to me....
Didnt you just talk about the similarities of this election and previous elections in another thread?
Gerrymandering seems like a pretty predictable pattern.
Media blackout of certain candidates...
Constant attention for others....
seems to me that "the establishment" is trying very very hard to follow the exact same pattern as previous elections. the only difference is that crazy old man on the democratic side.
THEPROPHETReally? Seems pretty predictable to me....
Didnt you just talk about the similarities of this election and previous elections in another thread?
Gerrymandering seems like a pretty predictable pattern.
Media blackout of certain candidates...
Constant attention for others....
seems to me that "the establishment" is trying very very hard to follow the exact same pattern as previous elections. the only difference is that crazy old man on the democratic side.
that's just my perspective
In regards to the Republican race? Hell no. No one predicted Trump doing this well or staying in the race this long. He did not fit and still does not fit a conventional polling model.
WildBANimalTrump may just have a chance to win - if Hillary makes voter turnout amongst democrats fall to like 18% or something, he may just do it! lol.
After Trump is elected, perhaps you'll get lucky and NZ will extend your minimum-wage work permit another 8 years. lol.
