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Supreme Court Rules Gay Marriage Legal in All 50 States

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J.D.
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This is a huge day for the United States.

President Obama ‏@POTUS3m3 minutes ago
Today is a big step in our march toward equality. Gay and lesbian couples now have the right to marry, just like anyone else. #LoveWins
Jun 26 2015 10:22AM
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chicknfriedsteak
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milk_manFor the same reason that murder is illegal. You could also say they are imposing my beliefs on the population in that instance too.


milk_manThis issue really can't be solved though. Because according to Christians, God invented marriage and the only way a marriage is legitimate is if it fits His standards. While the other side believes that the government defines marriage, and that if it fits their standards it is legitimate.


So to each his own I guess. Because the two separate worldviews will never see this the same way


milk_manYour post may be rhetorical, but I'll go for it anyway. Divorce should not be illegal because there are instances where it is justified-even in the Bible. When a spouse is unfaithful the Bible says that divorce is an option, but not required.


But I guess I agree that divorce for any stupid reason shouldn't be legal, but this is 'Murica and people are ignorant of reality anyway. So we will continue on our broken path.


milk_manShow me a verse that says that in the New Testament.


milk_manThey can have all the benefits they want. I don't care. That's not what I care about. It's not that hard to understand.


milk_manNo, but apparently my English classes were. :) 😉


milk_manI care about what marriage means. And I'm upset that the government thinks they can redefine something that they didn't create.


milk_manWill you elaborate?


milk_manThen who did?


milk_manDid you get that definition from Google? Heheh...



I will type this slowly. Read it slowly. I'm not mad at anyone for sinning. Want to know why? Because I am a sinner. I have no room to judge.

If gay people want to be together forever and have lots of legal benefits, cool! Go for it. But calling it marriage offends me deeply. Because to me, marriage is sacred.


milk_manActually you're wrong. It is in the New Testament, too.


milk_manIt doesn't get much clearer than Romans 1:26-27... lol


I don't like you go away
Jul 2 2015 6:42PM
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milk_man
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ndyeAlso please respond to my other call outs of your claim on religion


Sorry I got lost with responding to like 4 different people haha.


But we really aren't getting anywhere
Jul 2 2015 7:26PM
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Anathema
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Huck_NorrisSee this is the distinction you're failing to realize. Marriage was never "yours" in any capacity. People were getting married for thousands of years before Jesus, and they get married now in all kinds of ways that "aren't Christian". Why aren't you freaking out over other religions' customs, arranged child weddings, divorce or adultery with the save fervor? It's just disingenuous that you attach such importance to gays yet every other non-Christian denomination-also "unholy"- is totally fine.

Beyond that though, there are two arms to "marriage". There is religious marriage, which consists of the customs and specific religious rituals that make it unique to that culture.

Then we have the LEGAL arm of marriage- the rights provided by the state married couples get through estate, insurance and taxation. This has absolutely no connection whatsoever to your religion and this is truly what gays want- equal protection from the government. They don't give a shit about you or your church and they don't care about your religions acceptance in any way, shape or form.

The fact that you expect the entire country to adhere by the laws of your personal religion- and have the government back you up- means you have no idea what the separation of church and state is, nor do you understand that the Christian faith doesn't own the term marriage or the legal rights it gives.

You're entitled to believe whatever you want, that's your right. Everyone else also has the right to tell you and Jesus to fuck off though and that's what you are flat out refusing to understand. The freedom OF religion also entails the freedom FROM religion.

Above and beyond that, shellfish and tattoos are mentioned in the same breath in Leviticus and none of you are up in arms about the abomination of shrimp and clams being legal and not one protest is happening outside a tattoo parlor today. These reasons are basically why you're full of shit AND an ignorant bastard to boot. Go fuck yourself.


well said dude
Jul 2 2015 7:43PM
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PacificRimJob
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milk_manIt doesn't get much clearer than Romans 1:26-27... lol


Also doesn't get much clearer than the book of go fuck yourself.
Jul 2 2015 8:49PM
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S.J.W
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Actual video of Milk Mans mum

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/774874/Crazy-Christian-Woman-Loses-It-Over-Gay-Marriage
Jul 2 2015 9:37PM
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SFB
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S.J.WActual video of Milk Mans mum

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/774874/Crazy-Christian-Woman-Loses-It-Over-Gay-Marriage

do you ever have an actual retort to what people or saying or do you always resort to personal insults because you cant handle not everyone is a hyper liberal feminist
Jul 2 2015 10:36PM
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S.J.W
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SFBdo you ever have an actual retort to what people or saying or do you always resort to personal insults because you cant handle not everyone is a hyper liberal feminist


You obviously haven't read any of this thread.
Jul 2 2015 10:48PM
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notspoicey
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milk_manbut this is 'Murica and people are ignorant of reality anyway. So we will continue on our broken path.

This Saturday, rainbow fireworks will blow u to pieces, because this is 'murica
Jul 3 2015 12:51AM
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deleted5
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milk_manIf gay people want to be together forever and have lots of legal benefits, cool! Go for it. But calling it marriage offends me deeply. Because to me, marriage is sacred.


Marriage is a legal binding contract its nothing more. You can add your silly religious ceremony to it but at the end of the day its for legal purposes, and I don't think you understand what marriage actually is or means. To say I don't want gay people to get married means I don't want gay people to get the benefits of marriage.

I think what you're looking to say is I don't want gay people to get married at a Christian Church because it offends my Christian belief.

To me marriage is basically saying I bet you have my stuff we don't break up. That's it nothing more no god no holy rights it's for property and benefits
Jul 3 2015 1:24AM
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milk_man
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nocturnalI don't think you understand what marriage actually is or means.


Are your parents still together?
Jul 3 2015 10:08AM
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deleted5
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milk_manAre your parents still together?


Do my parents live in the same home on the same insurance policy and have to check with each other before they make a financial decision? Answer my question marriage was not invented by Christianity.
Jul 3 2015 10:35AM
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ndye
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milk_manAre your parents still together?


Well mine arent, and I am not the spawn of Satan. My uncle for example, divorced, and got happily remarried in a Catholic Church. The Church draws lines where it sees fit, not even necessarily in line with the bible. Because as you likely know, divorce and remarriage is STRICTLY prohibited in the bible, just not in the Church.
Jul 3 2015 10:35AM
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mseward
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As someone brought up in a small town with a majority christian religious community I will tell you this is what I notice.

99% of people who use the religion are just using it as an excuse because they were taught to hate gays. Theres so many "abominations" in the bible we ignore because its inconvenient.

Why aren't conservatives campaigning for outlawing shellfish or the excecutions of people that wear polyester and cotton on the same day? Oh right, because that part of the bible is inconvenient and irrelevant in 2015.

If you're going to stand by the bible, stand by the fucking bible. Dont just use the parts that enable you to hate others and ignore the parts that are inconvenient to you.

Jesus wanted love, peace, tolerance of others? Am i Right?
Jul 3 2015 10:57AM
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milk_man
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nocturnalDo my parents live in the same home on the same insurance policy and have to check with each other before they make a financial decision? Answer my question marriage was not invented by Christianity.


Are your parents married?
Jul 3 2015 10:59AM
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deleted5
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milk_manAre your parents married?


Yes and no, now get to your point that you are trying to make.
Jul 3 2015 11:01AM
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milk_man
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nocturnalYes and no, now get to your point that you are trying to make.


I do know what marriage is and what it means because my parents have been happily married for a little more than 35 years. (Yes, they are old haha)
Jul 3 2015 11:06AM
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deleted5
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milk_manI do know what marriage is and what it means because my parents have been happily married for a little more than 35 years. (Yes, they are old haha)


What your parents religious belief on marriage is and what marriage actually is are two different things. You don't seem to understand that.
Jul 3 2015 11:52AM
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miroz
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msewardJesus wanted love, peace, tolerance of others? Am i Right?


"CAN I GET AN MO'FUGGIN AMEN?!"
Jul 3 2015 12:43PM
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milk_man
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nocturnalWhat your parents religious belief on marriage is and what marriage actually is are two different things. You don't seem to understand that.


Marriage existed long before there were tax benefits for being married
Jul 3 2015 1:34PM
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S.J.W
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milk_manMarriage existed long before there were tax benefits for being married


Marriage also existed long before christians ever got hold of it.
Jul 3 2015 1:36PM
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deleted5
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milk_manMarriage existed long before there were tax benefits for being married


You keep avoiding my question Christianity didn't invent marriage you're not responding to that.
Jul 3 2015 1:59PM
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milk_man
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nocturnalYou keep avoiding my question Christianity didn't invent marriage you're not responding to that.


What's your question man..? Well if you believe in God and that the Bible is true, then yes God did invent marriage soon after He created the world. But you don't believe that so I don't what else to tell you, friend.
Jul 3 2015 2:24PM
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miroz
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milk_manWhat's your question man..? Well if you believe in God and that the Bible is true, then yes God did invent marriage soon after He created the world. But you don't believe that so I don't what else to tell you, friend.


It's not a matter of belief, homie. There's tangible, visible EVIDENCE that a) god didn't create the world when the Bible said he did (if he did it 4 billion years ago, long before humans existed, fine, that one's still up for debate), and b) people were getting 'married' long before the Bible existed.
Jul 3 2015 2:36PM
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ndye
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milk_manWhat's your question man..? Well if you believe in God and that the Bible is true, then yes God did invent marriage soon after He created the world. But you don't believe that so I don't what else to tell you, friend.


WAIT WAIT WAIT.... Youre a young earth creationist aren't you?

Now it makes sense why you have avoided our points. You believe the Jewish people WERE the first people, so in your eyes, no one else could possibly own it because you did invent it. I get it now. I get it
Jul 3 2015 2:39PM
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deleted5
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milk_manWhat's your question man..? Well if you believe in God and that the Bible is true, then yes God did invent marriage soon after He created the world. But you don't believe that so I don't what else to tell you, friend.


Because we live in America where Christian beliefs don't matter and people should be able to do whatever they want because America is home of the free.

But because marriage is against your religion therfore America should adopt your religious view?
Jul 3 2015 2:52PM
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deleted5
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milk_manWhat's your question man..? Well if you believe in God and that the Bible is true, then yes God did invent marriage soon after He created the world. But you don't believe that so I don't what else to tell you, friend.


Because we live in America where Christian beliefs don't matter and people should be able to do whatever they want because America is home of the free.

But because marriage is against your religion therfore America should adopt your religious view?
Jul 3 2015 2:53PM
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ANDR01D
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milk_manWhat's your question man..? Well if you believe in God and that the Bible is true, then yes God did invent marriage soon after He created the world. But you don't believe that so I don't what else to tell you, friend.


Exactly, he, along with millions of others don't believe. Why should laws that govern both groups be rooted in religion?
Jul 3 2015 2:55PM
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SFB
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msewardAs someone brought up in a small town with a majority christian religious community I will tell you this is what I notice.

99% of people who use the religion are just using it as an excuse because they were taught to hate gays. Theres so many "abominations" in the bible we ignore because its inconvenient.

Why aren't conservatives campaigning for outlawing shellfish or the excecutions of people that wear polyester and cotton on the same day? Oh right, because that part of the bible is inconvenient and irrelevant in 2015.

If you're going to stand by the bible, stand by the fucking bible. Dont just use the parts that enable you to hate others and ignore the parts that are inconvenient to you.

Jesus wanted love, peace, tolerance of others? Am i Right?

classic cherry picking example out of leviticus which isnt followed by most christian denominations.
Jul 3 2015 3:58PM
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miroz
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SFBclassic cherry picking example out of leviticus which isnt followed by most christian denominations.


Ironic that you call him out for cherry picking when he's calling bible thumpers out for cherry picking? Hmmm...
Jul 3 2015 4:08PM
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SFB
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mirozIronic that you call him out for cherry picking when he's calling bible thumpers out for cherry picking? Hmmm...

ok? so they are both cherry picking? cool?
Jul 3 2015 4:10PM
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Mingg
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Milkman, I respect you and your religious beliefs and think it's cool that you're standing up for what you believe in. You believe that marriage is sacred in your religion, right? However, there are plenty of men and women who get married that don't practice/believe in your religion. They don't do it for religious purposes. Are they wrong too? I mean, does that offend you as well? Or is it less offensive because it is less obvious? I understand that christians believe marriage is (traditionally) between a man and woman and you can hold that belief personally. Does it actually directly affect you though if a man marries a man, or woman marries a woman? Some people don't believe in christianity like you do which is cool too. The beauty of america is we are free to practice whatever religion we want. So it's unfair to hold everyone to your values.

By all means, you can practice your religion however you want. It's just not cool to think everyone has to live the same way you do.
Jul 3 2015 4:23PM
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S.J.W
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SFBclassic cherry picking example out of leviticus which isnt followed by most christian denominations.

But one is cherry picking to justify their hate towards gays while the other person is cherry picking to highlight religions hypocrisy.
Jul 3 2015 5:13PM
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saskskier
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MinggMilkman, I respect you and your religious beliefs and think it's cool that you're standing up for what you believe in. You believe that marriage is sacred in your religion, right? However, there are plenty of men and women who get married that don't practice/believe in your religion. They don't do it for religious purposes. Are they wrong too? I mean, does that offend you as well? Or is it less offensive because it is less obvious? I understand that christians believe marriage is (traditionally) between a man and woman and you can hold that belief personally. Does it actually directly affect you though if a man marries a man, or woman marries a woman? Some people don't believe in christianity like you do which is cool too. The beauty of america is we are free to practice whatever religion we want. So it's unfair to hold everyone to your values.

By all means, you can practice your religion however you want. It's just not cool to think everyone has to live the same way you do.


I don't really want to wade into this, but whatever.

As a Christian, I believe I am held to a particular standard, which is found in the bible. For the most part, Christians believe that this standard is unattainable and that's where God's grace comes into play. Christians seem to get all high and mighty and judge-y when it comes to homosexuality. Yes, the bible says it's a sin, but so is a lot of other crap we do. Again, I believe that's where grace comes into play. If you don't believe or practice Christianity, sweet. Good for you. I'm not going to hold you to that standard. I might not condone it, but I'm not going to go all Westboro Baptist on you.

If gay people want to get married from a legal standpoint and have all the rainbows and sunshine and legal benefits that come with it, cool cool. If they demand to get married in a church and get all pissy when a pastor or church refuses, that's when I have bigger concerns.

If you don't like what I believe, whatever. Just because I don't agree with you or with your lifestyle or whatever (be it gender/sexuality, religion, political affiliation, race, age, etc), doesn't mean I don't like/hate/fear/whatever you or won't treat you with dignity and respect.
Jul 3 2015 5:23PM
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Mingg
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mirozIt's not a matter of belief, homie. There's tangible, visible EVIDENCE that a) god didn't create the world when the Bible said he did (if he did it 4 billion years ago, long before humans existed, fine, that one's still up for debate), and b) people were getting 'married' long before the Bible existed.


Well, if you interpret in the bible literally, then no that is impossible for god to have created the earth when it says he did. The earth is most definitely 4 billion years old, or whatever the number is. However if you look at the bible in a figurative way you could argue that god creating the earth/universe in 6 days is true. "6 days" doesn't need to be interpreted as 6 of what we know are days but could be looked at as a larger stretch of time.

Pretty interesting to look into:
https://answersingenesis.org/days-of-creation/the-six-days-of-creation-and-evolutionary-theory-compatible/
Jul 3 2015 5:27PM
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deleted5
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MinggThe earth is most definitely 4 billion years old, or whatever the number is.


Look it up next time before you post people will take you more seriously
Jul 3 2015 5:34PM
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Mingg
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nocturnalLook it up next time before you post people will take you more seriously


Sorry... I was just going off the dude I quoted.
Jul 3 2015 5:46PM
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mseward
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SFBexample out of leviticus which isnt followed by most christian denominations.


Funny how you say most Christians dont follow Leviticus but their anti gay argument lies within it.

Leviticus 18:22 : "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination"

Leviticus 20:13: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood is upon them"

Thanks for proving my point SFB
Jul 3 2015 5:47PM
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deleted5
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MinggSorry... I was just going off the dude I quoted.


Not only do I accept your apology but I also embrace it we know the earth is about 4.6 billion years old.
Jul 3 2015 5:51PM
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Mingg
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nocturnalNot only do I accept your apology but I also embrace it we know the earth is about 4.6 billion years old.


Approximately 4.54 to be exact according to radiometric dating(:
Jul 3 2015 5:57PM
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S.J.W
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MinggApproximately 4.54 to be exact according to radiometric dating(:


That's also the amount of years SFB will take to get a girlfriend.
Jul 3 2015 6:01PM
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SFB
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S.J.WBut one is cherry picking to justify their hate towards gays while the other person is cherry picking to highlight religions hypocrisy.

ok so they are both incorrect. neither point is more valid than the other.
Jul 3 2015 6:33PM
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S.J.W
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SFBok so they are both incorrect. neither point is more valid than the other.


Can you explain how the hypocrisy of religion point is incorrect and not valid?
Jul 3 2015 6:38PM
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deleted5
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MinggApproximately 4.54 to be exact according to radiometric dating(:


When using radiometric dating there's going to be room for error, the margin is about 3%, good try though.
Jul 3 2015 7:20PM
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Nikolaus
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milk_manI do not approve of gay marriage at all. I'm fine with gay people.. I will treat a person well no matter what. But for them to be called "married," that's when I've had enough.


you are a horrible person.
Jul 3 2015 7:36PM
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.frenchy
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SFBok so they are both incorrect. neither point is more valid than the other.


love your icon bud
Jul 3 2015 8:59PM
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deleted5
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.frenchylove your icon bud


If you love him so much, why don't you marry him?
Jul 3 2015 9:28PM
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S.J.W
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.frenchylove your icon bud


BUD; an acronym used for in the closet homosexuals to identify and meet up with other in the closest homosexual. It originated during the 1980's from the lesbian community within Texas, but over time as shifted to a more general invitation for homosexual sex. BUD stands for Breasts Over Dick.
Jul 3 2015 9:30PM
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.frenchy
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nocturnalIf you love him so much, why don't you marry him?


Your reading comprehension is utter SHIT, as usual... I love his icon, not him. hahahahaha

S.J.WBUD; an acronym used for in the closet homosexuals to identify and meet up with other in the closest homosexual. It originated during the 1980's from the lesbian community within Texas, but over time as shifted to a more general invitation for homosexual sex. BUD stands for Breasts Over Dick.


bud: meaning buddy..



you like my bumper sticker bro??? #DONT #TREAD

^ same lure I caught the CT state record brown trout on ;^)
Jul 3 2015 9:40PM
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deleted5
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.frenchyYour reading comprehension is utter SHIT, as usual... I love his icon, not him. hahahahaha


Your dumb, and yes I said your, for the same reason I made that last post.
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