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Bernie's comments about Glass-Steagall infuriate me. He is so off-basis with his claims about it preventing the financial crisis and being the panacea for the current issues.
CampeadorHaha I knew you wouldn't be able to help yourself!
Don't play like you're a complete idiot all the time, you know exactly the kind of people I mean, the social media activists like yourself.
That was Ron Paul
The 2,513,665 donations to Sanders' campaign broke the record set four years ago by President Barack Obama's re-election committee. Through Dec. 31, 2011, Obama had chalked up 2,209,636 donations.
Internet Activists like myself don't have any money to donate. Im not playing stupid, if this campaign is an Internet fad then where did all the $$$ come from?
.MASSHOLE.Bernie's comments about Glass-Steagall infuriate me. He is so off-basis with his claims about it preventing the financial crisis and being the panacea for the current issues.
Glass steagall is a hotbed topic don't act like you know the answer. Bernie promises to remove money from politics. That is something all of americans should be 100% on board with.
yung_shwiftyGlass steagall is a hotbed topic don't act like you know the answer. Bernie promises to remove money from politics. That is something all of americans should be 100% on board with.
As I have stated before, Glass-Steagall only applies to traditional banks and does not deal with investment banks, hedge funds, or other financial institutions. If you look at the list of the major firms that were blamed/responsible for the crisis, very few were institutions that would have been impacted by its presence.
Re-implementing it would not prevent another AIG, Bear Sterns, or Lehman Bro's. What prevents another crisis is closer monitoring of rating agencies, financial institutions, financial tools and derivatives, and frankly, better monitoring agencies.
Bernie seems to think the Fed is responsible for much of the financial institution monitoring, but frankly, that only covers banks, it does not cover hedge funds, mutual funds, insurance agencies, etc. The SEC is responsible for that.
S.J.Wyeah I'm sure every other OECD country in the world that has universal health care has it all so wrong...
that is not what I said. Look at every other program that is ran by the government. Which one is a great example of the government working smoothly? All you ever hear about is how Social Security is draining, our public schools suck, our roads and bridges need fixing, our welfare and unemployment is being abused, the DMV is brutal, the mail is slow, government funding private prisons, the drug war, multi trillion dollar wars, the drug war and the list goes on and on...
And you think they are going to get healthcare correct? Explain your faith in the government again
louie.miragsthat is not what I said. Look at every other program that is ran by the government. Which one is a great example of the government working smoothly? All you ever hear about is how Social Security is draining, our public schools suck, our roads and bridges need fixing, our welfare and unemployment is being abused, the DMV is brutal, the mail is slow, government funding private prisons, the drug war, multi trillion dollar wars, the drug war and the list goes on and on...
And you think they are going to get healthcare correct? Explain your faith in the government again
I'm just going to address these points one by one
Social security is "draining" because of the aging population. But in reality it actually works quite well. I've provided studies which find that social security isn't abused and for the majority of users are on it for a short time and if there was no social security they would have been in poverty for a longer time.
We've been over roads and bridges being privatized.
Unemployment is at 5.5%...
Public schools suck.. Australia has the best schools in the world and is completely funded by the government.
DMV sucks everywhere. I really don't see how privatizing it would help. And if you were to privatize it then the DMV could exclude some people from getting a license if they're not covered by law. I.E, gays and trans.
Bernie sanders wants to end the war on drugs as well as the mass incarceration rate.
Now with regards to health care. America is the only developed nation in the world not to offer universal health care. It's absurd. Now I'll agree with you that the American government is fucking retarded. But it doesn't have to be that way, other countries have proved that universal health care,free university among other things. If done correctly universal health care could work in the US.
Granite_StateIve seen even more bad drivers rocking the trump sticker. You know, the type of people that drive 5 under the speed limit or cruise is the left lane.
I cant make any judgements on trump supporters as ive yet to see a trump bumper sticker
S.J.Wprobably because Trump supporters are too poor to own cars
Actuallu the sanders bumper sticker were on two of the shittiest vehicles ive seen. Looked they they were gonna fall apart and the people looked like they were damn homeless
louie.miragsFor example, national healthcare sounds sweet. What does not sound sweet is the government handling anymore of our money. Fuck that.
The problem is that the government is not handling your money, the private banks are. Don't be the kind of american that endorses private bankers to take greater risks with more money and don't be the guy that then proceeds to blame the government when things go south. I'm not american (inb4 "that explains a lot") but I can't believe that americans are not waking up from their delusional "american dream" where everybody gets to sail there own ship. Your are all in this together, so why not contribute to a stronger middel class and safety of the lower? The world is looking at america to make the right decision and this world is predominately in support of Sanders.
Fred_BearActuallu the sanders bumper sticker were on two of the shittiest vehicles ive seen. Looked they they were gonna fall apart and the people looked like they were damn homeless
Despite Vermont having a higher average income than the average for America ;)
WillowsThe problem is that the government is not handling your money, the private banks are. Don't be the kind of american that endorses private bankers to take greater risks with more money and don't be the guy that then proceeds to blame the government when things go south. I'm not american (inb4 "that explains a lot") but I can't believe that americans are not waking up from their delusional "american dream" where everybody gets to sail there own ship. Your are all in this together, so why not contribute to a stronger middel class and safety of the lower? The world is looking at america to make the right decision and this world is predominately in support of Sanders.
S.J.WI'm just going to address these points one by one
Social security is "draining" because of the aging population. But in reality it actually works quite well. I've provided studies which find that social security isn't abused and for the majority of users are on it for a short time and if there was no social security they would have been in poverty for a longer time.
We've been over roads and bridges being privatized.
Unemployment is at 5.5%...
Public schools suck.. Australia has the best schools in the world and is completely funded by the government.
DMV sucks everywhere. I really don't see how privatizing it would help. And if you were to privatize it then the DMV could exclude some people from getting a license if they're not covered by law. I.E, gays and trans.
Bernie sanders wants to end the war on drugs as well as the mass incarceration rate.
Now with regards to health care. America is the only developed nation in the world not to offer universal health care. It's absurd. Now I'll agree with you that the American government is fucking retarded. But it doesn't have to be that way, other countries have proved that universal health care,free university among other things. If done correctly universal health care could work in the US.
Your point about the DMV is confusing. People would be excluded from getting a license? huh?
And yeah I understand Sanders wants to get rid of the drug war. I am providing examples of why I do not trust the government
WillowsThe problem is that the government is not handling your money, the private banks are. Don't be the kind of american that endorses private bankers to take greater risks with more money and don't be the guy that then proceeds to blame the government when things go south. I'm not american (inb4 "that explains a lot") but I can't believe that americans are not waking up from their delusional "american dream" where everybody gets to sail there own ship. Your are all in this together, so why not contribute to a stronger middel class and safety of the lower? The world is looking at america to make the right decision and this world is predominately in support of Sanders.
I think we are debating separate points. Either that or you do not understand what a Libertarian means by letting private industry handle it.
Fred_BearHey that 300 vert lets me get more laps and hits in than you. Land of 10000 lakes and great hunting, thats all i really care about.
My parks better so its ok :). Personally, Lake Champlain is probably 1,000 times better than any lake in minnesota, and aside from one having mountains and one being flat they are actually similar states. But Bernie is from Vermont so clearly its still a shithole...
Granite_StateMy parks better so its ok :). Personally, Lake Champlain is probably 1,000 times better than any lake in minnesota, and aside from one having mountains and one being flat they are actually similar states. But Bernie is from Vermont so clearly its still a shithole...
Idk much about champlain but if were talking fishing.... i know for a fact it doesnt come close. And hey, mn has a mountain
Interesting piece by Austan Goolsbee, former member of Obama's Economic Advisory Committee, about Sander's proposed Single Payer system and it's costs on the middle class (they're undeniable).
Champlain #14, and mille lacs #10. Mn has 6 lol and were not even known for bassfishing.
Oh and not to mention mille lacs is a top 5 walleye and muskie fishery as well. Its safe to say its one of the all around best fishing lakes in the country. Goodbye now, and get get a little more learned on fishing before you try and argue about it with me
Champlain #14, and mille lacs #10. Mn has 6 lol and were not even known for bassfishing.
Oh and not to mention mille lacs is a top 5 walleye and muskie fishery as well. Its safe to say its one of the all around best fishing lakes in the country. Goodbye now, and get get a little more learned on fishing before you try and argue about it with me
Oh man you showed me!!! I really dont give a fuck, especially about fishing. You called vermont a shithole and I contend its a better state than minnesota.
You basically said you like minnesota cause of its hunting and fishing. Vermont has that and equally as good. So im just curious why vermont is a shithole and minnesota somehow isnt. Flat and cold, what a sick state...
Clinton's Lead Over Sanders Shrinking Nationwide, Poll Shows
With just three weeks left before the Iowa presidential caucuses, voters throughout the country are rapidly turning away from Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton and throwing their support behind once-dark horse Bernie Sanders, new polling shows.
A New York Times/CBS survey released Tuesday night found that Clinton's nationwide lead over Sanders continues to fade, with the former Secretary of State receiving 48 percent of prospective voters' support to the Vermont senator's 41 percent. Just a month ago, she had 20 percentage points on him nationally.
Other recent surveys found that Sanders has a five-point lead in Iowa and a 14-point lead in New Hampshire, while his support among women voters continues to grow.
The news also follows continuing reports of the enthusiastic crowds that greet Sanders at his campaign stops, including when he shares the stage with other Democratic candidates.
And it's making Clinton's team worried.
The Times reports:
Mr. Sanders's shifting fortunes underscore the unsettled state of the presidential race in both parties with just three weeks before the Iowa caucuses. Previous contests have seen candidates rise and fall in the weeks before the first votes are cast, and national polls at this stage of the race are not necessarily predictive of the final outcome of the monthslong nominating battle. But Mr. Sanders's surge has clearly unnerved the Clinton campaign, and she is responding aggressively.
[....] Mrs. Clinton is no longer treating Mr. Sanders as a distant rival who can be left unmentioned as she looks toward the general election.
And while a majority of Democrats surveyed in Tuesday's poll say they believe Clinton will still be nominated, other observers say the road is being paved for a dramatic primary.
The New Yorker's John Cassidy writes:
In Iowa on Monday, Senator Bernie Sanders said that his rival Hillary Clinton's campaign was in serious trouble, and claimed that this explained why she was attacking him on such issues as gun control and health care. "I think a candidate who was originally thought to be the anointed candidate, to be the inevitable candidate, is now locked in a very difficult race," Sanders told reporters. "Obviously, what people in that scenario do is start attacking. . . . That is not surprising when you have a Clinton campaign that is now in trouble and now understands that they can lose."
[....] Rather than trying to say who is leading, the safest thing to conclude is that, fewer than three weeks before voting day, the Democratic race in Iowa is now neck and neck.
A win for Sanders in Iowa would give him "significant momentum" for the New Hampshire primary on February 9, the Times said. Sanders also has widespread support from voters under 45—a significant demographic in the general election—who favor him by a 2-to-1 ratio. He is also backed by 55 percent of liberals, versus the 51 percent who support Clinton.
The poll surveyed 389 Democratic primary voters and 442 Republican primary voters from January 7-10. The margin of error is plus or minus 6 points for both parties.
Granite_StateOh man you showed me!!! I really dont give a fuck, especially about fishing. You called vermont a shithole and I contend its a better state than minnesota.
You basically said you like minnesota cause of its hunting and fishing. Vermont has that and equally as good. So im just curious why vermont is a shithole and minnesota somehow isnt. Flat and cold, what a sick state...
WillowsThe problem is that the government is not handling your money, the private banks are. Don't be the kind of american that endorses private bankers to take greater risks with more money and don't be the guy that then proceeds to blame the government when things go south. I'm not american (inb4 "that explains a lot") but I can't believe that americans are not waking up from their delusional "american dream" where everybody gets to sail there own ship. Your are all in this together, so why not contribute to a stronger middel class and safety of the lower? The world is looking at america to make the right decision and this world is predominately in support of Sanders.
this explains some of what you're talking about
i dont remember how to embed so if that doesn't work heres the link
Hey now guys Bernie Supporter here from Minnesota that loves Vermont and Minnesota. Both are beautiful states. Minnesota has the Twin Cities which have been on the come up forever and have some of the highest quality of life (for white people) in the country. Vermont has Burlington which is a dope town but can't really compare to Minneapolis or St Paul. I'd actually say Burlington is a lot like Duluth. Minnesota is the most literate and educated population in the country. Minneapolis has thriving arts and music scenes. Both Vermont and Minnesota have very beautiful parts although I'd say all of Vermont is Beautiful while I'd be happy to give all of Minnesota that's south of the Twin Cities to Iowa because it's basically the same, just straight prairie with lots of corn farms. Both states are very liberal which I think has a lot to do with the quality of life but have some redneck areas. Vermont has Bernie Sanders and Minnesota had Paul Wellstone (Who was basically Bernie Sanders before anyone knew who Bernie Sanders was) but he was killed in a Plane Crash a week before the Senatorial election which he was projected to win against now ousted Norm Coleman right after he had committed to voting against the Iraq war. I'm not going to go into that conspiracy theory but as a lover of both Vermont and Minnesota I will call it a tie for which state is better. P.S. I'm very high and have been sitting in a lift shack for 5 hours straight so excuse the nonsensicalness of this
I love that all the naysayers/psuedo economists in this thread can't say shit now. Even if Bernie doesn't get the nomination no one ever thought it would go this far (except me) and All the Sanders haters can take there ancient ideologies and stuff them up their butts. This nation will change because it has to. Change is constant and way too many people have caught on to the oligarchy we've been dealing with. It's not a secret anymore. The inequality can't last.
