SANDERS 2016

ndyeSomewhat, by making the top earners and corporations pay one of the lowest tax rates in the developed world and charging middle income Americans essentially the same rate. This is also lower than the effective tax rate paid by top income earners so it's just another tax break for the wealthy. Who picks it up? Everyone else

Middle class americans might have roughly the same rate but the payroll tax is gone. That is what will make a big difference. Again, like I said before it's not perfect, but I think he's heading down the right path with this idea.

Kooky_LukeyMiddle class americans might have roughly the same rate but the payroll tax is gone. That is what will make a big difference. Again, like I said before it's not perfect, but I think he's heading down the right path with this idea.

The tax code needs to favor small business and take advantage of global corporations.

Anyone making under $30,000 annually shouldnt pay more than 10%. the top bracket needs to be split in 3

DlCKThe tax code needs to favor small business and take advantage of global corporations.

Anyone making under $30,000 annually shouldnt pay more than 10%. the top bracket needs to be split in 3

Rand's plan would help small businesses, their tax would go from ~39% to 14.5. His plan would also not tax a family who makes $50,000 a year or under that.

And out of curiosity what would be your plans then to fix this?

I would like to see a tax on the .1 and higher percent on their stocks and bonds. That's where they make their income, not from wages. For example Mark Zuckerberg's salary is $1. Have no one making under $50k be taxed and do budget cuts in social security medicare etc.

Kooky_LukeyRand's plan would help small businesses, their tax would go from ~39% to 14.5. His plan would also not tax a family who makes $50,000 a year or under that.

And out of curiosity what would be your plans then to fix this?

I would like to see a tax on the .1 and higher percent on their stocks and bonds. That's where they make their income, not from wages. For example Mark Zuckerberg's salary is $1. Have no one making under $50k be taxed and do budget cuts in social security medicare etc.

Okay first of all, 39% is only for companies that profit more than 100,000. So sorta. The small businesses that are getting taxed at that rate are by no means struggling. However I do agree that 39% is too high for that level. 14.5% is too low. 14.5% on 1,000,000 is WAY too low, 14.5% on 100,000,000 is criminal.

Cuts to social security? Medicare? Fuck off, Social Security and Medicare are some of the greatest accomplishments of the United States. When social security was implemented, 50% of seniors lived in poverty. Today we are at 10%. Social Security is one of our greatest successes and something we as Americans should be very proud of.

Social Security is paid for by the payroll tax. It has not added a nickel to our deficit. There should be NO cap to the payroll tax for social security, if you raised the cap to 250,000 from where it is now, social security would be solvent for the next 75 years.

Let me make this very clear, what the flat tax is asking you to do, is not give you a taxbreak, but to give a taxbreak to those who are already successful and wealthy, all the while cutting drastically programs designed to help the disadvantaged. Cutting billions of dollars out of our tax base, and driving up this massive deficit which already exists.

Maybe with very progressive regulations on minimum wages, tax evasion, and other benefits for those in the lower income brackets in regard to housing and healthcare, a flat tax could work, but we will not see that from a rand administration.

Bernie Sanders Hosts a Nationwide House Party for Over 100,000 Would-Be Foot Soldiers

It had all the markings of a Washington house party: guests milling about, talk of politics and policy, a few custom cocktails and a crowd that would make a fire-code enforcer sweat.
Oh, and Senator Bernie Sanders.

Indeed, on what the campaign is calling one of the most important days of its upstart movement, Mr. Sanders came to this small apartment in southwest Washington, looked into a camera and spoke live to what his campaign said was more than 100,000 supporters nationwide.

"Enough is enough," Mr. Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate from Vermont, told his followers, listing grievance after grievance, from income inequality to the Citizens United ruling to the minimum wage to Sandra Bland. Then he called on them to act.

The first step? A text message.

The national organizing day, which featured more than 3,500 events and house parties across the country, centered around a technological infrastructure that uses text-messaging sign-ups and a deep database of volunteers. Attendees at the house parties were asked to text a number to opt in and show interest.

A few months ago, Mr. Sanders never thought he would be speaking to this many people, telling First Draft that he would have thought that maybe 1,000 would turn out. But as he continues to draw large crowds, crowds that "continue to surprise me to this day," the campaign realized that now was the time to try and turn the interest into working volunteers.

So they borrowed a method from the labor movement and tried to structure the volunteer movement into a sort of campaign staff, from door knockers and phone bank callers to event organizers and even some computer programmers. "It's not an accident Larry Cohen is here," Mr. Sanders said, referring to the former president of the Communications Workers of America, whose remarks closed the broadcast.

At this particular party, Mr. Sanders drew a diverse crowd with equally diverse reasons for attending. There was Joe Kennedy, 61, who belongs to a spiritual group called the Network of Light and came clad in a Vermont tie-dye shirt and toting a wooden flute. He grabbed Mr. Sanders at the end of the party and offered to help in any way he could, as well as "get him a tie-dye."

Chara Espera, a 37-year-old living in Washington who had never before volunteered for a campaign, said she was moved by Mr. Sanders's message.

"I wish he was president when I was pregnant," she said, noting Mr. Sanders's policy on maternity leave.

The hosts, Manisha Sharma and Miguel Marcelino Herrera, were also newcomers to the political organizing game. They said that they were "religious conservatives" who follow the messages of St. Francis to help the poor and that Mr. Sanders's message resonated with them. After reading about the organizing day in a newspaper, they decided to offer to host a party, being told only a few days ago that their party would be the one Mr. Sanders attended.

The hosts prepared a few special things for their guest. First, a custom cocktail, the Bernie Paloma, which featured Vermont maple syrup. Then they presented Mr. Sanders with three gifts: a statue of the Virgen de Guadalupe, St. Francis and a poster of Gandhi. Mr. Sanders took the gifts with a big smile.

"This poster is beautiful," Mr. Sanders told Ms. Sharma. He read it aloud: "What it says is, 'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.' Maybe that is what this campaign is about."


This is Democracy

Every time I am amazed at how shitty the Republican field is, I remember that our Democrats will have to choose between this clown and Hillery.
#noGoodCanidates2016

cobra_commanderEvery time I am amazed at how shitty the Republican field is, I remember that our Democrats will have to choose between this clown and Hillery.
#noGoodCanidates2016

Hillary/Sanders are nowhere near the ridiculous level you have inside of the Republican field.

cobra_commanderEvery time I am amazed at how shitty the Republican field is, I remember that our Democrats will have to choose between this clown and Hillery.
#noGoodCanidates2016

You sound like a child.

ndyeHillary/Sanders are nowhere near the ridiculous level you have inside of the Republican field.

I'm on the outside looking in at the Republican field. but... I'd vote for Jeb Bush if he wasn't a Bush, he likely would be a much better president than his brother, up their in quality with his father. Rubio is not a bad choice, and you also have Walker. All better choices than Sanders or Hillary. Not saying all Rep candidates are better than Hillary or Sanders but fuck, even Cruz would tear either of them up in a debate.

cobra_commanderEvery time I am amazed at how shitty the Republican field is, I remember that our Democrats will have to choose between this clown and Hillery.
#noGoodCanidates2016

ndyeHillary/Sanders are nowhere near the ridiculous level you have inside of the Republican field.

Jeb Bush: Supports prison time for non violent drug offenders rather than treatment all the while sending his daughter who was a crack smoker to rehab with no jail time.

Scott Walker: "Whos in charge? Is it the taxpayers or is it the special interest groups" Well Walker as long as you are referring to the taxpayers who donates hundreds of thousands of dollars or rather millions to your campaign you have done a good job of putting the taxpayer back in chage. Good on you.

Ben Carson: On AP history: "I think most people, when they finish that course, they'd be ready to go sign up for ISIS"

cobra_commanderI'm on the outside looking in at the Republican field. but... I'd vote for Jeb Bush if he wasn't a Bush, he likely would be a much better president than his brother, up their in quality with his father. Rubio is not a bad choice, and you also have Walker. All better choices than Sanders or Hillary. Not saying all Rep candidates are better than Hillary or Sanders but fuck, even Cruz would tear either of them up in a debate.

Continuing:

Huckabee: obama is responsible for the future murder of millions of jews.

Rubio: spending money on green energy is wasting taxpayer dollars, we should instead open up more public lands for drilling.

Cruz:The senate democrats are working on a bill to repeal the first ammendment. Legit, he said that.

ndyeCuts to social security? Medicare? Fuck off, Social Security and Medicare are some of the greatest accomplishments of the United States. When social security was implemented, 50% of seniors lived in poverty. Today we are at 10%. Social Security is one of our greatest successes and something we as Americans should be very proud of.

I was just trying to have a friendly conversation and have an opinion, you don't have to be a dick. And yeah the Social Security trust fund will run dry by 2033 at the rate we are going. I never said Social Security was bad, but I think something that will run dry in 20 years isn't something to exactly be proud of. I've already started to save for retirement as I think most people should and not rely on younger working tax payers to give them a check every month.

But you'll probably come back with a million things to tell me I'm wrong and tell me to fuck off so there's not really a point to this.

Kooky_Lukeyyou don't have to be a dick.

He (ndye) really does have to be a dick. After all if you don't get on board with the (his) liberal train of thought it is because you are a greedy rich man who is blinded by your privilege.

There is little room remaining in his mind for any level of diversity in thought.

Kooky_LukeyI was just trying to have a friendly conversation and have an opinion, you don't have to be a dick. And yeah the Social Security trust fund will run dry by 2033 at the rate we are going. I never said Social Security was bad, but I think something that will run dry in 20 years isn't something to exactly be proud of. I've already started to save for retirement as I think most people should and not rely on younger working tax payers to give them a check every month.

But you'll probably come back with a million things to tell me I'm wrong and tell me to fuck off so there's not really a point to this.

My apologies for coming across as quite rude, it doesnt have to run dry is what I am saying, that doesnt have to be a thing, there is no reason it needs to be. Its an incredibly effective way of managing poverty for the elderly, yes saving is super great, and you will live a lot better life for starting to save now.

Social security isnt a live lucrative program, its a put food on the table and roof over your head program.

cobra_commanderHe (ndye) really does have to be a dick. After all if you don't get on board with the (his) liberal train of thought it is because you are a greedy rich man who is blinded by your privilege.

There is little room remaining in his mind for any level of diversity in thought.

I could counter with the exact same argument, so I will. There is very little room remaining in your mind for any level of diversity in thought.

ndyeMy apologies for coming across as quite rude, it doesnt have to run dry is what I am saying, that doesnt have to be a thing, there is no reason it needs to be. Its an incredibly effective way of managing poverty for the elderly, yes saving is super great, and you will live a lot better life for starting to save now.

Social security isnt a live lucrative program, its a put food on the table and roof over your head program.

I mean don't get me wrong I think it's a great program and helps out a ton of people, but I think it should be done more of at a state/local level as with most things and a little revision so it doesn't run dry. Like for example I'm from Pennsylvania and they have everything backwards there, instead of using the lottery money to make university's cheaper like most states they use it to benefit seniors. I probably think it is bullshit because I am a college student, but you know.

On a similar note, I found this article very interesting. I think this just helps show that there should be less federal and more state/local governments. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-11-nations-of-the-united-states-2015-7

This does however easily open up another civil war type thing happening because the country will become more polar and divided, mainly the north and south again.

Im voting for motherfuckin Bernie.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/777185/Bernie-Sanders--The-Vox-conversation


WATCH THIS!!!!!!

DlCKhttps://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/777185/Bernie-Sanders--The-Vox-conversation


WATCH THIS!!!!!!

SJW posted this at the bottom of the previous page. Good interview.

mirozSJW posted this at the bottom of the previous page. Good interview.

shit i missed that. i only watched a snipet so far

DlCKshit i missed that. i only watched a snipet so far

It's pretty good, I thought the interviewer asked some insightful questions.

The Revolt Against the Ruling Class
"He can't possibly win the nomination," is the phrase heard most often when Washington insiders mention either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

Yet as enthusiasm for the bombastic billionaire and the socialist senior continues to build within each party, the political establishment is mystified.

Political insiders don't see that the biggest political phenomenon in America today is a revolt against the "ruling class" of insiders that have dominated Washington for more than three decades.

In two very different ways, Trump and Sanders are agents of this revolt. I'll explain the two ways in a moment.

Don't confuse this for the public's typical attraction to candidates posing as political outsiders who'll clean up the mess, even when they're really insiders who contributed to the mess.

What's new is the degree of anger now focused on those who have had power over our economic and political system since the start of the 1980s.

Included are presidents and congressional leaders from both parties, along with their retinues of policy advisors, political strategists, and spin-doctors.

Most have remained in Washington even when not in power, as lobbyists, campaign consultants, go-to lawyers, financial bundlers, and power brokers.

The other half of the ruling class comprises the corporate executives, Wall Street chiefs, and multi-millionaires who have assisted and enabled these political leaders – and for whom the politicians have provided political favors in return.

America has long had a ruling class but the public was willing to tolerate it during the three decades after World War II, when prosperity was widely shared and when the Soviet Union posed a palpable threat. Then, the ruling class seemed benevolent and wise.

Yet in the last three decades – when almost all the nation's economic gains have gone to the top while the wages of most people have gone nowhere – the ruling class has seemed to pad its own pockets at the expense of the rest of America.

We've witnessed self-dealing on a monumental scale – starting with the junk-bond takeovers of the 1980s, followed by the Savings and Loan crisis, the corporate scandals of the early 2000s (Enron, Adelphia, Global Crossing, Tyco, Worldcom), and culminating in the near meltdown of Wall Street in 2008 and the taxpayer-financed bailout.

Along the way, millions of Americans lost their jobs their savings, and their homes.

Meanwhile, the Supreme Court has opened the floodgates to big money in politics wider than ever. Taxes have been cut on top incomes, tax loopholes widened, government debt has grown, public services have been cut. And not a single Wall Street executive has gone to jail.

The game seems rigged – riddled with abuses of power, crony capitalism, and corporate welfare.

In 1964, Americans agreed by 64% to 29% that government was run for the benefit of all the people. By 2012, the response had reversed, with voters saying by 79% to 19% that government was "run by a few big interests looking after themselves."

Which has made it harder for ordinary people to get ahead. In 2001 a Gallup poll found 77 percent of Americans satisfied with opportunities to get ahead by working hard and 22 percent dissatisfied. By 2014, only 54 percent were satisfied and 45 percent dissatisfied.

The resulting fury at ruling class has taken two quite different forms.

On the right are the wreckers. The Tea Party, which emerged soon after the Wall Street bailout, has been intent on stopping government in its tracks and overthrowing a ruling class it sees as rotten to the core.

Its Republican protégés in Congress and state legislatures have attacked the Republican establishment. And they've wielded the wrecking balls of government shutdowns, threats to default on public debt, gerrymandering, voter suppression through strict ID laws, and outright appeals to racism.

Donald Trump is their human wrecking ball. The more outrageous his rants and putdowns of other politicians, the more popular he becomes among this segment of the public that's thrilled by a bombastic, racist, billionaire who sticks it to the ruling class.

On the left are the rebuilders. The Occupy movement, which also emerged from the Wall Street bailout, was intent on displacing the ruling class and rebuilding our political-economic system from the ground up.

Occupy didn't last but it put inequality on map. And the sentiments that fueled Occupy are still boiling.

Bernie Sanders personifies them. The more he advocates a fundamental retooling of our economy and democracy in favor of average working people, the more popular he becomes among those who no longer trust the ruling class to bring about necessary change.

Yet despite the growing revolt against the ruling class, it seems likely that the nominees in 2016 will be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. After all, the ruling class still controls America.

But the revolt against the ruling class won't end with the 2016 election, regardless.

Which means the ruling class will have to change the way it rules America. Or it won't rule too much longer.

ndyeContinuing:

Huckabee: obama is responsible for the future murder of millions of jews.

Rubio: spending money on green energy is wasting taxpayer dollars, we should instead open up more public lands for drilling.

Cruz:The senate democrats are working on a bill to repeal the first ammendment. Legit, he said that.

A great reason as to why the republican field is such a joke. How can anyone take this seriously?

onenerdykid

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Doug_PrishpreedA great reason as to why the republican field is such a joke. How can anyone take this seriously?

And the democrats?
Three obscures, the most corrupt women in the history of American politics, and a literal Communist
How can anyone take either party seriously?

CockGoblina literal Communist

if you actually think this is true, then you have no idea what you are talking about when referring to Communism, either Russian or textbook-Marxism.

CockGoblinAnd the democrats?
Three obscures, the most corrupt women in the history of American politics, and a literal Communist
How can anyone take either party seriously?

There's no denying the disaster Hillary is, but to call sanders a communist is straight bullshit.

CockGoblinAnd the democrats?
Three obscures, the most corrupt women in the history of American politics, and a literal Communist
How can anyone take either party seriously?

Most retweeted GOP debate tweet was written by Bernie Sanders
There was no shortage of tweetable moments during last night's explosive Republican debate on Fox News, but the most retweeted moment actually came from a Democratic presidential candidate: Sen. Bernie Sanders.

"It's over. Not one word about economic inequality, climate change, Citizens United or student debt," Sanders (I-Vt.) tweeted as the two-hour-long debate wrapped up. "That's why the Rs are so out of touch."
The liberal lawmaker's tweet was retweeted over 20,000 times — over four times the number of retweets received by the second most retweeted tweet, which incidentally also belonged to a Democratic candidate: Hillary Clinton.

"Watch the #GOPdebate?" @HillaryClinton asked her followers. "Bet you feel like donating to a Democrat right about now."

Nearly 5,000 Twitter users retweeted her jab.

^The irony is that Trump actually discussed Citizens United, albeit in a rather convoluted way concerning Hilary attending his wedding in return for a donation...

.MASSHOLE.^The irony is that Trump actually discussed Citizens United, albeit in a rather convoluted way concerning Hilary attending his wedding in return for a donation...

Hilary is a joke. She's just a puppet of wall street.

Will be working an event for Sanders on memorial day! Stoked!

Turns out Tanner Hall supports Bernie as well.

Well, it sounds like some #blacklivesmatter protestors caused Bernie to walk away from his speech tonight.

.MASSHOLE.Well, it sounds like some #blacklivesmatter protestors caused Bernie to walk away from his speech tonight.

source?

S.J.Wsource?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/250667-protesters-interrupt-bernie-sanders-rally

.MASSHOLE.http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/250667-protesters-interrupt-bernie-sanders-rally

idiots

#BernieForNumberOneGrandDad

this guy is like 1000 years too old to be president.

Spagett+this guy is like 1000 years too old to be president.

hes not too old to fuck your mom though

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Well enjoy eating your own shit when Bernie wins in 2016. :)

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Bernie has been saying the same shit for his entire political carear. He's not just telling the people what they want to hear to get elected. I suggest you watch the video Dick posted above. It's very informative. And before you critisize someone, you must first understand them. Which you clearly don't.

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Ahh I see how it is. Everything is Obamas fault when it suits you. But then when Bernie is gaining traction you say that the president doesn't have any power to do shit. Got it.

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S.J.WWell enjoy eating your own shit when Bernie wins in 2016. :)

SJW u can't even vote eat a boner

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I know the president doesnt have as much power as most people think. However Bernie does seem like the kind of guy that would compromise to get his promises passed. He cares more about the people than he does about big buisness and corporate America

S.J.WI know the president doesnt have as much power as most people think. However Bernie does seem like the kind of guy that would compromise to get his promises passed. He cares more about the people than he does about big buisness and corporate America

And that last sentence right there is the problem. The House and Senate have members who do not and that is who he is going to go up against. Sure, he may have a few allies, but not enough to make a difference. If the Republicans were so staunchly against Obama, who is moderate compared to Sanders, how do you think they will feel about Bernie?

ElGato is right, Bernie is pandering to what people want to hear. Now, I am not saying this is bad, but people need to be realistic about what he can and cannot achieve.

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So why would you rather eat your own shit then have him elected if it doesn't matter who is elected? Or are you just saying that he is to far to one side to actually make bipartisan agreements?

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Ah gotcha, my bad.