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VIDEO: Subaru plows through Ferguson protesters blocking road
I'm glad the guy did that. The people were pounding on the car and got scared. They were being assholes and got what came to them.
You're not as edgy and hip as you think you are.
mirozI'm curious as to what will happen to the driver.
Why would anything happen to the driver? As far as I can tell it isn't illegal to try to drive home without being harassed, and it certainly isn't illegal to try and get yourself out of a dangerous situation where you are being harassed by an angry mob. This is a classic case of self-defense. If anything, the driver should sue the bitch he ran over for threatening/endangering him. Or her if the driver was a girl.
john18061806I put a little blame on the drivers for not being patient or taking a different route,
As far as I can tell, people were pounding on the windows and windshield as the driver tried to pass by. Don't think it's fair to say "well he shoulda just sat there and waited for his windshield and windows to be smashed in before continuing on his way." Maybe people weren't banging on his windows before he ran that girl over, but it sure seemed like they might have been based on the way the video cuts right to the moment the driver accelerates and doesn't really show what leads up to it.
WattsWhy would anything happen to the driver? As far as I can tell it isn't illegal to try to drive home without being harassed, and it certainly isn't illegal to try and get yourself out of a dangerous situation where you are being harassed by an angry mob. This is a classic case of self-defense. If anything, the driver should sue the bitch he ran over for threatening/endangering him. Or her if the driver was a girl.
It is extremely illegal to intentionally drive into people with your car. It is also a tort issue - it's very obviously assault. The driver knew or ought to have known that that would cause harm to someone. Everything else (self defense, panic, etc) is just apportioning liability - then it becomes a question of how MUCH it was the driver's fault.
You still get sued, at the end of the day. And yeah. You still pay.
J.D.Absolutely, any one of those dudes could sue him and he could be prosecuted for any number of offenses, depending on what the result was. Obviously there would be defenses, but yeah, if you're ever in the situation where you can run dickheads over with your car, even if you feel totally justified, just don't.
J.D.It is extremely illegal to intentionally drive into people with your car. It is also a tort issue - it's very obviously assault. The driver knew or ought to have known that that would cause harm to someone. Everything else (self defense, panic, etc) is just apportioning liability - then it becomes a question of how MUCH it was the driver's fault.
You still get sued, at the end of the day. And yeah. You still pay.
But he wasn't trying to hit or intentionally injure someone as much as get himself out of a dangerous situation, and happened to hit someone in the process. Maybe that doesn't matter either? I guess I don't technically know what the law says, but it seems like there must be some provision in the law where, if you are being put in danger, and coincidentally hurt someone while protecting yourself, you don't get in trouble. The driver will get sued, yeah, but will he/she definitely get charged with something? I guess it's a matter of whether or not the self-defense rule applies to cars, which it sounds like it doesn't. I assumed it would.
Can the driver at least sue these people back? Is it legal to try and smash someone's windows and windshield while they're driving? That probably depends on what happened right before the driver accelerated, which that video conveniently doesn't show us, but I'm guessing that the driver didn't just suddenly decide to floor it into a group of people with no kind of provocation whatsoever.
WattsBut he wasn't trying to hit or intentionally injure someone as much as get himself out of a dangerous situation, and happened to hit someone in the process. Maybe that doesn't matter either?
They are one and the same. Really he was fucked either way. If he didn't drive through the crowd, his car would have gotten smashed and perhaps personal injury. Either way, he did have the option to stay, reverse, or drive forward. When he made the decision to drive forward, he was fucked.
It's pretty cut and dry. All I see are idiots everywhere. Idiots on the street protests, idiots in the cars trying to get through the intersection instead of turning around, and idiots standing around watching and recording the whole thing go down. Each and every person near that intersection is an idiot.
I mean shit man. You guys are eventually going to take a stand and have a civil war, do it now while there is still something worth fighting for. Wait much longer and there won't be anything worth fighting for but refugee status in other countries.
I dont know how much its worth or what it means exactly, but in the police report the driver was listed as the "victim", and the girl that got hit was labeled under an "other" category
WattsBut he wasn't trying to hit or intentionally injure someone as much as get himself out of a dangerous situation, and happened to hit someone in the process. Maybe that doesn't matter either? I guess I don't technically know what the law says, but it seems like there must be some provision in the law where, if you are being put in danger, and coincidentally hurt someone while protecting yourself, you don't get in trouble. The driver will get sued, yeah, but will he/she definitely get charged with something? I guess it's a matter of whether or not the self-defense rule applies to cars, which it sounds like it doesn't. I assumed it would.
Can the driver at least sue these people back? Is it legal to try and smash someone's windows and windshield while they're driving? That probably depends on what happened right before the driver accelerated, which that video conveniently doesn't show us, but I'm guessing that the driver didn't just suddenly decide to floor it into a group of people with no kind of provocation whatsoever.
It matters, in so far as it is context. That is called a "defense". But it doesn't mean you aren't still liable.
Any time you act in a situation where there's a reasonable possibility that you're going to injure someone, and you know or ought to know that that possibility exists, that someone can sue you if they do in fact get injured. It doesn't matter if you had another primary intention.
As for whether you get charged with something, usually a criminal charge involves two things: act, and intent to commit the act. Did he drive into a person? Yes, act committed. Did he intend to drive into that person? Well, he saw them, and pushed down on the gas pedal, so unless he passed out, I'm going with probably yes. Then the only question is if you have a defense, but at this point, you can already be charged. I'd say vehicular manslaughter if someone died, or at minimum assault with a deadly weapon.
You then have to use the defense so that you're not ultimately determined to be at fault, and should be let off even having committed the crime, which is where "self defense" comes in.
WattsBut he wasn't trying to hit or intentionally injure someone as much as get himself out of a dangerous situation, and happened to hit someone in the process. Maybe that doesn't matter either? I guess I don't technically know what the law says, but it seems like there must be some provision in the law where, if you are being put in danger, and coincidentally hurt someone while protecting yourself, you don't get in trouble. The driver will get sued, yeah, but will he/she definitely get charged with something? I guess it's a matter of whether or not the self-defense rule applies to cars, which it sounds like it doesn't. I assumed it would.
Can the driver at least sue these people back? Is it legal to try and smash someone's windows and windshield while they're driving? That probably depends on what happened right before the driver accelerated, which that video conveniently doesn't show us, but I'm guessing that the driver didn't just suddenly decide to floor it into a group of people with no kind of provocation whatsoever.
Exactly, the driver was slowly inching forward, probably hoping the crowd would let him through, people start to surround the car, a couple people jump on the hood, others start punching the car, the driver HITS THE BRAKES, then obviously feels threatened enough to say fuck it and accelerate through them. he even stops again, probably when he realizes hes about to run over that person. she gets out of the way, then the crowd of animals start going to town on the car, and he drives off.
The guy drove through a crowd of people attacking him about as carefully as you could, what the hell else is he supposed to do? say "no i really shouldnt hurt these people attacking me, i'll just sit here and hope i dont die, maybe they'll break in through my window and give me a hug"
any reasonable person with any sense of self preservation would and should, at that point, give no fucks about his attackers well being. good for him for putting his life above a crowd of people who's lives clearly have little value.
J.D.It matters, in so far as it is context. That is called a "defense". But it doesn't mean you aren't still liable.
Any time you act in a situation where there's a reasonable possibility that you're going to injure someone, and you know or ought to know that that possibility exists, that someone can sue you if they do in fact get injured. It doesn't matter if you had another primary intention.
As for whether you get charged with something, usually a criminal charge involves two things: act, and intent to commit the act. Did he drive into a person? Yes, act committed. Did he intend to drive into that person? Well, he saw them, and pushed down on the gas pedal, so unless he passed out, I'm going with probably yes. Then the only question is if you have a defense, but at this point, you can already be charged. I'd say vehicular manslaughter if someone died, or at minimum assault with a deadly weapon.
You then have to use the defense so that you're not ultimately determined to be at fault, and should be let off even having committed the crime, which is where "self defense" comes in.
Got it. Thanks for the explanation.
XtRemE11Exactly, the driver was slowly inching forward, probably hoping the crowd would let him through, people start to surround the car, a couple people jump on the hood, others start punching the car, the driver HITS THE BRAKES, then obviously feels threatened enough to say fuck it and accelerate through them. he even stops again, probably when he realizes hes about to run over that person. she gets out of the way, then the crowd of animals start going to town on the car, and he drives off.
The guy drove through a crowd of people attacking him about as carefully as you could, what the hell else is he supposed to do? say "no i really shouldnt hurt these people attacking me, i'll just sit here and hope i dont die, maybe they'll break in through my window and give me a hug"
any reasonable person with any sense of self preservation would and should, at that point, give no fucks about his attackers well being. good for him for putting his life above a crowd of people who's lives clearly have little value.
Yeah, definitely seems like one of those cases where the law doesn't do the best job of providing real justice. It seems like there's a chance the guy won't end up being charged with anything if his defense is good, but the fact that he might seems ridiculous.
Being violent is only making it seem like you should be shot, You cant fight violence with more violence! Fucktards, maybe this is why everyone hates America, Because of fucktards.
Fucking ignorant fools, what did they think was gunna happen? I don't think those fucks are helping the case for ferguson and serves them right for all of this more shit that they are adding to the problem
Fucking ignorant fools, what did they think was gunna happen? I don't think those fucks are helping the case for ferguson and serves them right for all of this more shit that they are adding to the problem
The point of a protest is to draw attention to the things you care about, sure. Protesting in an intersection accomplishes that. But it sort of defeats the purpose if you're pissing everyone off.
Let's say I didn't really care about the whole Ferguson thing until I pulled up to this intersection in my Suby. After that? I hate every one of you little pricks, and by association, whatever it is that you claim to stand for.
This does not further your cause.
I agree with everything you say save this. Protests are meant to be disruptive and piss people off - I'd go on to say if they don't you're doing it wrong. Good protests invite people to join your side, and sometimes blocking an intersection ultimately provides that, even though it does inconvienence and piss of people who are locally affected. Case in point - Hong Kong?
UtardSo what is your point, a group of people protesting injustice in the middle of the street deserve to be run over? Wow man, that's pretty fucked up. What are you, a fascist? I don't know where you live but here in Utah willfully driving your car into a human being is considered assault with a deadly weapon. Those people were just acting in self defense. IMHO if you try to ram your car through a large group of people you're basically asking to get dragged out and curbstomped.
Aren't mods supposed to have been getting rid of the trolls?...
.Hugo.they were hitting the car and pushing it from the front before he ever hit anyone
Did you see the shot from the helicopter? The car was sitting there in line and all of a sudden decided to try and drive through the crowd. Nobody was hitting it or pushing it until it decided to try and push through
UtardDid you see the shot from the helicopter? The car was sitting there in line and all of a sudden decided to try and drive through the crowd. Nobody was hitting it or pushing it until it decided to try and push through
Refer to the third post in this thread. The car is clearly trying to just inch through not causing any harm to the protesters. Then people start banging on the windows hood etc. They for whatever reason didnt want to let the car through, and when you play with fire, youre gonna get burned
.Hugo.Refer to the third post in this thread. The car is clearly trying to just inch through not causing any harm to the protesters. Then people start banging on the windows hood etc. They for whatever reason didnt want to let the car through, and when you play with fire, youre gonna get burned
Who was the one playing with fire in this situation? It seems pretty obvious to me that an angry mob is the last thing you should try to drive your car through.
UtardDid you see the shot from the helicopter? The car was sitting there in line and all of a sudden decided to try and drive through the crowd. Nobody was hitting it or pushing it until it decided to try and push through
watch the up close video from behind the car, the guy is inching then on the BRAKES as people are jumping on his hood and hitting the windows, he gasses it after they started attacking the car.
UtardWho was the one playing with fire in this situation? It seems pretty obvious to me that an angry mob is the last thing you should try to drive your car through.
The angry mob blocking a street where 3000lb hunks of steel are supposed to be driving by at 40mph, Id say they were the ones playing with fire. especially when they jumped on one of those large hunks of steel. anyone who thought the guy was just going to sit there and let them break into his car is an idiot, of course he's going to book it out of there, who the fuck wouldnt? There is absolutely nothing that the driver did wrong. the entire situation evolved because of the mob being there in the first place, and deciding to start a fight with a car.
Inb4 it's cool because he was "scared for his life". Cool subaru but learn how to do a fucking 3 point turn. When in doubt just sit there in your car and derppppppp.
I would have been like, this is dumb and then gone around. Really not that complicated. You definitely don't pull up to the crowd.
Stupid drivers and people standing in the road. Idk what's worse.
UtardWho was the one playing with fire in this situation? It seems pretty obvious to me that an angry mob is the last thing you should try to drive your car through.
I think it's safe to say that the people standing on the road banging on the car are the ones playing with fire. I don't think anyone in their right mind would purposefully drive into a mob of angry people, it's likely that he/she had no idea the protest would be there, or that he/she thought that they wouldn't be attacked by said protestors, which is perfectly reasonable considering they're protesting police brutality, and not their dislike of cars being driven on roads.
the driver has a history of being a shitty driver, I'd revoke his license for running a kid over. but then again, people in the crowd were definitely looking like they were about to kill the driver, there's more grey area here than the fucking moon.
the driver has a history of being a shitty driver, I'd revoke his license for running a kid over. but then again, people in the crowd were definitely looking like they were about to kill the driver, there's more grey area here than the fucking moon.
I understand your gps is saying go straight but who the fuck pulls right up to an angry looking mob. Omg I pulled right up to them and then people were like yelling at me so I had to run them over.
Idk. I just hate stupid people and shitty drivers and the world is full of both.
john18061806I live in Minneapolis. A lot of my friends were out there and one of my friends is good friends with the girl who got run over #connections. Anyways, if you are blocking traffic and intimidating the shit out of people, odds are very high that someone's instincts will kick in and they'll punch it. It happened twice last night, the other incident was when a bunch of people surrounded a van and some even went in front of the fucking thing to try and push it back while it was moving.
I put a little blame on the drivers for not being patient or taking a different route, but this is the fault of the hostile protestors. The Minneapolis Police Department is one of the least racist in the country. I have experienced minimal racial profiling against a black friend of mine once, but it was just that he was getting asked the questions instead of me. It wasn't anything close to as bad as him getting beaten to the pavement or killed. Most videos of Minneapolis police brutality are pretty biased against the cops involved, not to say that it doesn't happen- because it definitely has happened, but it happens less often than what is shown. Most videos are of people being idiots and interfering with arrests and being ignorant to the law.
The idea to protest by blocking traffic was fucking stupid, a lot of these protesters were fucking stupid (especially anyone who charged cars). Even worse, towards 10:00pm last night, people were marching on I-94. They were fighting for a noble cause, but chose the most idiotic way to approach it, the initial plan was to lay down on a highway to block traffic- real fucking smart.
tldr; I can't believe my city is this stupid. Protest in a way that won't get you killed. Know the laws and full ethics before you claim "police brutality". Drivers suck.
From what I've read the minneapolis police department is among the most racist ones in the country. Just recently there has been controvercy because the mayor wants to put body cameras on all police officers and the department reacted by accusing her of supporting gangs because she posted a picture of herself and a black man smiling and pointing at eachother during a get out the vote campaign. This made national news and started the twitter hashtag #pointergate. http://mashable.com/2014/11/07/pointergate/ How we are known as one of the most progressive cities in the country beats me.
APSheWantsTheDFrom what I've read the minneapolis police department is among the most racist ones in the country. Just recently there has been controvercy because the mayor wants to put body cameras on all police officers and the department reacted by accusing her of supporting gangs because she posted a picture of herself and a black man smiling and pointing at eachother during a get out the vote campaign. This made national news and started the twitter hashtag #pointergate. http://mashable.com/2014/11/07/pointergate/ How we are known as one of the most progressive cities in the country beats me.
Your police department apparently consists of 12 year olds
okay so here is the thing about minneapolis politics, 4 out of every 5 people are either extremist, or are blatantly bandwagoning because they don't know what the fuck those idiots are talking about, but it seems cool. Thanks mondale ya turd.
I just got back in town yesterday and these dumbshits are causing major roadways blocked up to protest police brutality, oddly enough the cops were blocking off the roads.
also most of the people protesting are a bunch of white people with way too much self guilt. Also would like to add that this place is in south minneapolis, not the ghetto side or north st paul.
fuck you guys that are ok with it, that guy almost ran down 3 people and clearly gives no shits about anyone else's lives. I don't care if I saw that, that car would have had all its windows hit out whether I agree with the protesters or not peoples lives should not be taken into risk.
I hate reckless drivers that don't consider anothers saftey and I have been a victim of a hit and run biking on the side of the road going the speed limit. 3,000 pound cars are not battering rams to hide in. If you have a problem get out the the car and fight like a real person or don't do shit.
I don't think the driver would deserev to go down for life for that if the person died but this guy was a fucking idiot and by plowing one of these morons over he gave them the exact attention they desired and made their protest a success. No problem if he ends up doing a couple years for deciding to go right through and not hitting reverse.
After watching multiple videos I've concluded that there were poor decisions made by both the protesters and driver. I'm positive there were alternate routes for this driver to take, and as pointed out earlier, he was waiting in line and finally decided he was going to take a chance and go through. Once people started hitting his car I feel like he truly did fear for his safety and panicked. Unfortunately he put himself in that situation.
On the other hand, protesting in a road is probably one of the dumbest things someone can do. But this wasn't the only place this was happening. In Boston I believe the same type of protest was happening on 95. The police were able to handle that situation much better than where this video takes place.
I'm with abortionator on this, idk whats worse, the dumbass protesters, or the dumbass that thought he could drive through a crowd of furious people.
Granite_StateAfter watching multiple videos I've concluded that there were poor decisions made by both the protesters and driver. I'm positive there were alternate routes for this driver to take, and as pointed out earlier, he was waiting in line and finally decided he was going to take a chance and go through. Once people started hitting his car I feel like he truly did fear for his safety and panicked. Unfortunately he put himself in that situation.
On the other hand, protesting in a road is probably one of the dumbest things someone can do. But this wasn't the only place this was happening. In Boston I believe the same type of protest was happening on 95. The police were able to handle that situation much better than where this video takes place.
I'm with abortionator on this, idk whats worse, the dumbass protesters, or the dumbass that thought he could drive through a crowd of furious people.
The protesters wanted to draw attention to the Ferguson shooting, so why not cause some civil disobedience in order to raise attention to the problems at hand? I do not condone any violence or arson only peace full protest and these people were being peaceful until the car decided to drive through.
The guy driving could have gone around the crowd like all the other cars were doing.... Not sure why he decided to drive through everyone? To get his window smashed in maybe. The driver should have the brains to not run pedestrians over in the middle of a mob. No mater what there are hella police around what if he killed that girl and that leg was her head?
This guy has multiple DUIS and a shitty driving record no surprise. People need to have the right to express their opinions oppression is not the correct way to handle these situations thats why we have the constitution. Whether its a KKK rally or what ever they have a right to assemble and protest in peaceful manner and everyone should be allowed to do so non violently. Civil disobedience is a good way to get attention. Whether is good or bad and I think its good that people are questioning police ethics.
J.D.It is extremely illegal to intentionally drive into people with your car. It is also a tort issue - it's very obviously assault. The driver knew or ought to have known that that would cause harm to someone. Everything else (self defense, panic, etc) is just apportioning liability - then it becomes a question of how MUCH it was the driver's fault.
You still get sued, at the end of the day. And yeah. You still pay.
It doesn't matter that the people in the road created the situation by standing somewhere where cars have the right of way?
