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I love guns. I own 4 hand guns, 3 rifles and a shotgun. I use non of them for hunting. Dont get me wrong, i love that i can own them. Do i need them? Maybe, i havent yet but if i need to use one i will be happy i have it. Are they fun to shoot? Oh yea
It needs to be way harder to get guns though. I can literally go into a pawn shop buy an AK with a 75 round drum and walk out 20 minutes later with it fully loaded and ready to fuck some shit up.
There needs to be a waiting period. I dont think we can impose any regulations as to why we need guns because i think basic self defense is an adequate reason. I think that there needs to be some type of personal evaluation too. Not just a background check. Just because i havent commited a felony doesnt mean im not fuckin crazy.
What are your thoughts? This is NS so i know it cant be a reasonable discussion but i think its worth a shot...get it...shot, like a gun
Like for example, I like Slim Shady right, technically, he is perpetuating the very thing he doesn't want to by bringing up columbine in his latest and most popular song for everyone to see and hear on youtube
Obama would be very naive to jump on this bandwagon before he has finished with immigration, it's almost like JayZ is to Women as Obama is to Laws/Constitution, for a music analogy.
Self Defense laws cure all, no matter what. Now the NUMBER of guns is just an opinion.
I completely agree on the point that they are too easy to get. You can just walk into a gun show and buy a gun without a background check. However like the person above said the media is blowing this way out of proportion. Some of these school shooting aren't because of gun control its because of pure stupidity. Most of these mass shooting are done by somebody who is mentally insane and still living with their parents. For some reason these parents leave weapons not locked up with mentally challenged people around. To me that is pure stupidity and not because of gun control
I'm pretty anti guns and believe that the second amendment is out dated. When the constitution was created guns weren't as deadly as they were now and people needed to guns to protect them selves. Now we have guns that shoot out hundreds of rounds a minute and it's just stupid to allow anyone to buy a gun that can do so much damage so quickly.
I don't know about where you guys live, but I know in NJ they run a background check when you get your gun permit, and also when you buy a gun, through NICS. The latter can take anywhere from a few minutes up. I think they might run another check when you apply to purchase a handgun, and you have a certain period of time to buy it - something like that.
They also keep track of how much handgun ammunition you purchase.
I'm really not sure what else you can do other than background checks, as far as controlling who gets a gun. Psychological tests can be very subjective, and it's difficult to regulate subjectivity with law.
Not that I'm an expert, or even have a gun license. Take what I say with a grain of salt.
ChubbyBoyI'm pretty anti guns and believe that the second amendment is out dated. When the constitution was created guns weren't as deadly as they were now and people needed to guns to protect them selves. Now we have guns that shoot out hundreds of rounds a minute and it's just stupid to allow anyone to buy a gun that can do so much damage so quickly.
The second amendment was made to allow people to own guns in the event of a tyrannical government. Now, I'm not saying we're remotely close to that right now, but you honestly never know what the world'll be like in a hundred years. If guns were to be completely outlawed, assuming the logistics were figured out the first place, we'd probably literally see another civil war. If it ever came to that happening, the government would already be exercising way too much power and would pretty much be stating this in repealing the amendment. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot. (pun very much intended)
MiomoThe second amendment was made to allow people to own guns in the event of a tyrannical government. Now, I'm not saying we're remotely close to that right now, but you honestly never know what the world'll be like in a hundred years. If guns were to be completely outlawed, assuming the logistics were figured out the first place, we'd probably literally see another civil war. If it ever came to that happening, the government would already be exercising way too much power and would pretty much be stating this in repealing the amendment. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot. (pun very much intended)
Off course guns shouldn't be out lawed that would stupid. People need to protect them selves and the black market would blow up. Although America isn't like a second rate country with an unstable government. However I know gun culture in America will never change as it's to inherent within the country. I just think there needs to be a little more gun control. Not so much that peoples rights are invaded but just enough to reduce gun crime. On the other hand, that works in theory but most mass shootings are done by first time offenders with no prior record and "gansters" will always find a way to get guns for crime.
ChubbyBoyNow we have guns that shoot out hundreds of rounds a minute and it's just stupid to allow anyone to buy a gun that can do so much damage so quickly.
This statement is so wrong. "Anyone" can't go out and buy fully auto firearms; and fully auto firearms aren't readily available.
STwoopsThe media blows.
This stuff out of proportion
Like for example, I like Slim Shady right, technically, he is perpetuating the very thing he doesn't want to by bringing up columbine in his latest and most popular song for everyone to see and hear on youtube
Obama would be very naive to jump on this bandwagon before he has finished with immigration, it's almost like JayZ is to Women as Obama is to Laws/Constitution, for a music analogy.
Self Defense laws cure all, no matter what. Now the NUMBER of guns is just an opinion.
danncphedranIt needs to be stricter, but not as strict as here in Canada where you can't get any guns ( not that I want any but for hunting they are useful)
JAHpowThis statement is so wrong. "Anyone" can't go out and buy fully auto firearms; and fully auto firearms aren't readily available.
I never said fully automatic guns. I was referring to guns to any gun that has a high RPM. This could be semi or fully auto. And yes anyone can buy a gun from private sellers and if you can't pass a background check from a store you can always buy from a private seller. 40% of guns are by private sellers and that in my personal opinion is way to high. There's 14 states in America that require a background check in private sales and if you can't pass one you can just go across the state. It's too easy to get a gun in America. Letting someone buy a gun without a background check is like letting someone bypass airport security.
Now nothing I say should be interpreted in a way in which you may feel I am strictly anti guns. Although I am anti guns I do realise that everyone has a right under the second amendment to own a gun and personal protection is key. I just believe that it's too easy to obtain a gun. But most of my beliefs work well in theory however in reality wouldn't work like a making everyone who wishes to purchase a gun under go a psychological assessment from a doctor.
JAHpowThis statement is so wrong. "Anyone" can't go out and buy fully auto firearms; and fully auto firearms aren't readily available.
I never said fully automatic guns. I was referring to guns to any gun that has a high RPM. This could be semi or fully auto. And yes anyone can buy a gun from private sellers and if you can't pass a background check from a store you can always buy from a private seller. 40% of guns are by private sellers and that in my personal opinion is way to high. There's 14 states in America that require a background check in private sales and if you can't pass one you can just go across the state. It's too easy to get a gun in America. Letting someone buy a gun without a background check is like letting someone bypass airport security.
Now nothing I say should be interpreted in a way in which you may feel I am strictly anti guns. Although I am anti guns I do realise that everyone has a right under the second amendment to own a gun and personal protection is key. I just believe that it's too easy to obtain a gun. But most of my beliefs work well in theory however in reality wouldn't work like a making everyone who wishes to purchase a gun under go a psychological assessment from a doctor.
ChubbyBoyI never said fully automatic guns. I was referring to guns to any gun that has a high RPM. This could be semi or fully auto. And yes anyone can buy a gun from private sellers and if you can't pass a background check from a store you can always buy from a private seller. 40% of guns are by private sellers and that in my personal opinion is way to high. There's 14 states in America that require a background check in private sales and if you can't pass one you can just go across the state. It's too easy to get a gun in America. Letting someone buy a gun without a background check is like letting someone bypass airport security.
Now nothing I say should be interpreted in a way in which you may feel I am strictly anti guns. Although I am anti guns I do realise that everyone has a right under the second amendment to own a gun and personal protection is key. I just believe that it's too easy to obtain a gun. But most of my beliefs work well in theory however in reality wouldn't work like a making everyone who wishes to purchase a gun under go a psychological assessment from a doctor.
Well you can't buy a legally owned fully auto firearm in a private sale without going through a BATF process. Which the general citizen probably still can't pass, nor are fully auto firearms allowed in many parts of the country.
The full auto discussion is retarded. Legally owned or purchased guns are not used in crimes. People use mostly hand guns and occasionaly a high capacity rifle or shotgun. Full autos are irrelevant.
I don't have one but I think everything is way blown out of proportion. If you really want to put a dent in guns, and crime involving guns, legalizing drugs would do a lot for that at least in the cities.
Other than that I'm not too worried. Somebody could walk up behind me and shank me, hit me in the head with a baseball bat, run me over with their car, lock me in a car with some horrid pop music playing or whatever.
El_Barto.The full auto discussion is retarded. Legally owned or purchased guns are not used in crimes. People use mostly hand guns and occasionaly a high capacity rifle or shotgun. Full autos are irrelevant.
The amount of crimes committed with registered NFA items (sbrs, silencers, autos, etc..) is extremely low, and it's a system that works well in that you really have to want them to legally own them. It's a system I think we could apply to other types of firearms, but it would get a ton of hate from most gun owners.
I fully agree with you though. I absolutely love hunting and shooting, but it is entirely too easy to get a gun. You gotta take a test to drive a car, you have to pass hunter's safety to hunt (in most states), why not require some sort of firearm certification?
Guns don't kill people, they just make it easier. In my honest opinion, I believe assault rifles with a magazine capacity higher than 10 should be banned. There is no purpose in owning one. "But how will I protect myself huh, how do you answer that" YOU DONT NEED AN ASSAULT RIFLE TO PROTECT YOURSELF. And you're fucking stupid if you think you do. Wait who are you defending yourself from again? Oh yeah, I forgot that many American people live in a war zone and require military-like weapons to defend themselves against the masses of terrorists. So if you want to go out and buy a gun for self defense, fuck buying something practical/more affordable/easy to store, like a handgun, just buy an assault rifle.
I don't know why you guys don't just adopt something similar to our gun control situation, just to appease the anti-gun crowd. Its still easy as getting a god damn snowmobile license here, fucking 2 short classes for maybe 120$, ppiiisss easy, you have to do a 100% common sense test and a hands on one. But it'll give em something to rally about, be like fuck yeah we got gun control, you gotta pass a background check and do a safety class, they'll calm down for awhile. Oh and about that background check, you can have a charge as serious as intent to distribute marijuana and pass no problem
macinnisI don't know why you guys don't just adopt something similar to our gun control situation, just to appease the anti-gun crowd. Its still easy as getting a god damn snowmobile license here, fucking 2 short classes for maybe 120$, ppiiisss easy, you have to do a 100% common sense test and a hands on one. But it'll give em something to rally about, be like fuck yeah we got gun control, you gotta pass a background check and do a safety class, they'll calm down for awhile. Oh and about that background check, you can have a charge as serious as intent to distribute marijuana and pass no problem
You mean firearm safety? Ya, we have that here too
.Hugo.You mean firearm safety? Ya, we have that here too
No Im talking about license's to own a firearm, ya it does invlolve safety, but its like a driving license, it keeps em pacified, we used to have to register every long gun in a a gov'ment program, abolished about 10 years ago, but now the liberals don't even bring it up cause of all there "tests" we have to pass. Just an afterthough im gonna add, but that list of people who owned long guns, that was supposed to be destroyed when the law was abolished, but its a fact that the RCMP has alllll the records of the registry still, (TLDR: FUCK CANADA ITS USA 2.0 BUT WORSE)
macinnisNo Im talking about license's to own a firearm, ya it does invlolve safety, but its like a driving license, it keeps em pacified, we used to have to register every long gun in a a gov'ment program, abolished about 10 years ago, but now the liberals don't even bring it up cause of all there "tests" we have to pass. Just an afterthough im gonna add, but that list of people who owned long guns, that was supposed to be destroyed when the law was abolished, but its a fact that the RCMP has alllll the records of the registry still, (TLDR: FUCK CANADA ITS USA 2.0 BUT WORSE)
Someone said something similar in the fsu thread about registering guns. What exactly do you mean by that? All gun owners are connected to their guns serial number, if its purchased legally.
Moon_ShoesGuns don't kill people, they just make it easier. In my honest opinion, I believe assault rifles with a magazine capacity higher than 10 should be banned. There is no purpose in owning one. "But how will I protect myself huh, how do you answer that" YOU DONT NEED AN ASSAULT RIFLE TO PROTECT YOURSELF. And you're fucking stupid if you think you do. Wait who are you defending yourself from again? Oh yeah, I forgot that many American people live in a war zone and require military-like weapons to defend themselves against the masses of terrorists. So if you want to go out and buy a gun for self defense, fuck buying something practical/more affordable/easy to store, like a handgun, just buy an assault rifle.
Those guns only look miltarized for the most part. Most of the time they still shoot 5.56 or 7.62 but do not retain any of the functions of designs used in the military. Also AR15's are especially favored for hunting coyotes.
Banning firearms based on looks is ridiculous and does nothing. Regulations need to be reasonable and researched, not the whole clusterfuck that was the NYS "SAFE" act.
Ralph_SwaggumThose guns only look miltarized for the most part. Most of the time they still shoot 5.56 or 7.62 but do not retain any of the functions of designs used in the military. Also AR15's are especially favored for hunting coyotes.
Banning firearms based on looks is ridiculous and does nothing. Regulations need to be reasonable and researched, not the whole clusterfuck that was the NYS "SAFE" act.
That's not what I was trying to communicate. I am trying to say that they should be banned because they can cause massive amounts of casualties, and there is really no purpose in owning one (aside from coyote hunting like you said, however my friends and I have no problems hunting them with a sig sauger .357)
Moon_ShoesGuns don't kill people, they just make it easier. In my honest opinion, I believe assault rifles with a magazine capacity higher than 10 should be banned. There is no purpose in owning one. "But how will I protect myself huh, how do you answer that" YOU DONT NEED AN ASSAULT RIFLE TO PROTECT YOURSELF. And you're fucking stupid if you think you do. Wait who are you defending yourself from again? Oh yeah, I forgot that many American people live in a war zone and require military-like weapons to defend themselves against the masses of terrorists. So if you want to go out and buy a gun for self defense, fuck buying something practical/more affordable/easy to store, like a handgun, just buy an assault rifle.
Anyone who thinks "assualt rifles" are a problem has almost 0 perception of what the gun situation in the United States is like. 3 of my handguns hold 10+ rounds lol
hurrdurrNot trying to sound elitist or whatever, I have genuine interest.
Is it true that in the USA some people feel that in order to protect themselves they need to have guns?
I carry to protect myself and whoever else i am with. Just this week a college kid in my city was stabbed to death in a 7-11 for no reason. I aint getting stabbed in non 7-11
I just don't understand why the US has a culture where everyone feels the need to defend themselves with a gun. If no one has a gun, no one will shoot each other.
carltuszI just don't understand why the US has a culture where everyone feels the need to defend themselves with a gun. If no one has a gun, no one will shoot each other.
There are so many guns already in circulation that this talk is pointless but still interesting. Me, a good guy, feels the need to own guns because bad guys own guns and bad guys like to do bad things to good guys and their families. I will shoot a bad guy if i have to
carltuszI just don't understand why the US has a culture where everyone feels the need to defend themselves with a gun. If no one has a gun, no one will shoot each other.
it's emotional fear, pure and simple. there is no reasoning when your decisions are based on emotion. so don't even try reasoning, it will. not. work.
of course anybody who is pro/anti-gun will vehemently deny that their position is emotionally-based...and this is why these threads end up being pages and pages long. there aren't multi-page threads on whether or not the sky is blue, we all agree it is blue. gun control threads (topics not based on facts/reality) are emotion-based and therefore will never, ever, come to a reasonable conclusion
momsspaghettiit's emotional fear, pure and simple. there is no reasoning when your decisions are based on emotion. so don't even try reasoning, it will. not. work.
of course anybody who is pro/anti-gun will vehemently deny that their position is emotionally-based...and this is why these threads end up being pages and pages long. there aren't multi-page threads on whether or not the sky is blue, we all agree it is blue. gun control threads (topics not based on facts/reality) are emotion-based and therefore will never, ever, come to a reasonable conclusion
I am emotional about the very real possibilty of someone doing something bad to my family and me using a gun to prevent it from happening.
Its like youre saying violent crimes dont happen. I will use my gun to prevent me or my family from being the victim(s) of a violent crime.
i think every type of firearm regardles of caliber or capacity should be legal to purchase immediately, all wal marts should start carrying rpgs that can be bought for 300$.also automatic firearms should be made legal for civilian use and we should drop the legal age of purchasing guns to 16.
momsspaghettiit's emotional fear, pure and simple. there is no reasoning when your decisions are based on emotion. so don't even try reasoning, it will. not. work.
of course anybody who is pro/anti-gun will vehemently deny that their position is emotionally-based...and this is why these threads end up being pages and pages long. there aren't multi-page threads on whether or not the sky is blue, we all agree it is blue. gun control threads (topics not based on facts/reality) are emotion-based and therefore will never, ever, come to a reasonable conclusion
so you're telling me that even though i live in a high crime area where just last month a cop was killed, i dont need to carry because of the fact you have percieved me having an emotional fear that something bad might happen?
El_Barto.It needs to be way harder to get guns though. I can literally go into a pawn shop buy an AK with a 75 round drum and walk out 20 minutes later with it fully loaded and ready to fuck some shit up.
I can literally walk into hardware store, buy 50 pounds of fertilizer, a few boxes of nails, and a five gallon bucket and walk out 20 minutes later with all I need to fuck some shit up.
I can walk into any store, go to the cleaner section, and walk out with all the chemicals I need to fuck some shit up.
I can hop into my 1 ton truck turn the key and I have all I need to fuck some shit up.
Conclusion: If someone wants to "fuck some shit up," they do not need a gun to do it. There are many, much more efficient and easier ways to "fuck some shit up", other than with guns.
AT-ATI can literally walk into hardware store, buy 50 pounds of fertilizer, a few boxes of nails, and a five gallon bucket and walk out 20 minutes later with all I need to fuck some shit up.
I can walk into any store, go to the cleaner section, and walk out with all the chemicals I need to fuck some shit up.
I can hop into my 1 ton truck turn the key and I have all I need to fuck some shit up.
Conclusion: If someone wants to "fuck some shit up," they do not need a gun to do it. There are many, much more efficient and easier ways to "fuck some shit up", other than with guns.
thats pretty much the worst argument of all time in support of guns.
how about just grab a knife and go on a spree.
the point is that guns are too easy. what mental headcase is going to take the time to study the chemistry of building home made explosives with some huge elaborate set up planning and organization? people are trying to get guns out of the hands of people who are fucking crazy, not mastermind geniuses who could use a million and one different ways to plan an attack on whatever they wanted.
that part you cannot change. what you can change is what CRAZY people have access to.
Anathemathats pretty much the worst argument of all time in support of guns.
how about just grab a knife and go on a spree.
the point is that guns are too easy. what mental headcase is going to take the time to study the chemistry of building home made explosives with some huge elaborate set up planning and organization? people are trying to get guns out of the hands of people who are fucking crazy, not mastermind geniuses who could use a million and one different ways to plan an attack on whatever they wanted.
that part you cannot change. what you can change is what CRAZY people have access to.
you fucking derp face.
People tend to do a lot of damage with knives. The media just doesn't like to cover those stories as much.
As for the first example of mine, that is all you need, minus a fuse and a splash of diesel fuel. No studying of chemistry is needed. Its exactly what they use in mining operations.
I love getting into a reasonable gun discussion. And I will say that I feel very strongly that I want and need and have the right to have a gun for protection. I have known people who were mugged and carjacked. In the mugging my friend was jumped by a bunch of guys who beat him pretty bad, luckily the car jacking nothing physically happened. I live is a nice town, nice neiboorhood. This stuff happens ALLLLL the time. sometimes it doesnt end so well for the victims. I would rather have 5 30rd mags and only shoot 2 bullets than be allowed 10rd mags and get into a situation where I run out of ammo. And yes all my hand guns have 15+ round mags. Because thats what every gang banger with a glock has also. I agree with El Barto, in no way in hell will I get stabbed by some tweaker in a 7Eleven! Not me, my wife, my kids, my friends etc...
NOW onto how easy it is to get a gun, I will say yes I do think that it is easy for just about anyone to get a gun. But more than getting a gun I feel people need to show they can handle and operate and safely shoot and store their weapons. None of these shootings came from people who walked into Cabellas bought a bunch of guns and went and shot up a school. These are all people who stole guns from friends, family etc.
The bigger problem is people need to be more responsible with their guns (safety, knowlege, storage) and show adequate skill with a gun. I hate seeing people at the range who have no clue how to shoot a gun and they carry one everyday. If you want to own and carry you need to know how to do so responsibly.
Look at the stats in Chicago with the highest death rate with guns. HANDGUNs, not AR15's. Bad guys will always always always be getting guns. It's not right to make law abiding citizens unable to get one, we arent the problem.
The uk has only access to hunting rifles/shot guns, Gang membership is high in many major cities (especially London) yet homocides involving a firearm were more than 100x lower in the uk. Surely no matter how you look at it, you cannot deny that having heavily restricted access to guns makes a difference.
If nobody has guns, you do not "NEED A GUN FOR PROTECTION". When i go to London i don't walk around strapped to my fucking eyeballs because i need a gun for protection.
Yes, you reduce levels of guns, potential gang stabbings may increase, thing is, you have a much greater chance of getting the fuck away from somebody with a knife, if somebody is trying to attack you with a knife you are more likely to be able to flee than if that same person has a gun.
commence "fucking brits don't know what they're talking about."
As for the first example of mine, that is all you need, minus a fuse and a splash of diesel fuel. No studying of chemistry is needed. Its exactly what they use in mining operations.
If people want to cause harm they will, no matter what you take away.
So how about every single other countries that has gun control? or how about australia when they used gun control after a large massacre and now massacres have drop to 0? That was 14 years ago. Gun control doesn't work, except for every country that you uses gun control.
zwiefel12Look at the stats in Chicago with the highest death rate with guns.
HMMMM, well it's not the gun fault (duh), so there must be a certain group of people that live in Chicago that cause this spike in violent activity...hmmmm who or what could it be???? lets not jump to conclusions now...
we have to crack down on access to guns and figure out mental health issues more, but to be honest, I feel this should be put on the back burner for a while. No legislation has been drawn up recently that indicates an outright ban in the future, at least to my knowledge. what the fuck happened to us worrying about our national debt? or the fact that almost every system in this country is fucking broken? Lets correct those problems first, then we can deal with guns, gays, whatever the fuck you people want.
Defending yourself against a tyrannical government is fucking nonsense. The second you take up arms there would be unmanned drones dropping hellfire missiles on your house from 30 thousand feet. I hope your m16 makes you feel safe at night because it shouldn't.
CaseyDefending yourself against a tyrannical government is fucking nonsense. The second you take up arms there would be unmanned drones dropping hellfire missiles on your house from 30 thousand feet. I hope your m16 makes you feel safe at night because it shouldn't.
I agree, i probably dont stand much of a chance versus the US military with my tiny arsenal. I just have em in case i have to shoot a tweaker or burglar or something. I probably dont stand much of a chance versus a tank or fighter jet
zzzskizzzSo how about every single other countries that has gun control? or how about australia when they used gun control after a large massacre and now massacres have drop to 0? That was 14 years ago. Gun control doesn't work, except for every country that you uses gun control.
Gun control/possession of firearms is not in correlation with gun violence (switzerland). We have been here before.
CaseyDefending yourself against a tyrannical government is fucking nonsense. The second you take up arms there would be unmanned drones dropping hellfire missiles on your house from 30 thousand feet. I hope your m16 makes you feel safe at night because it shouldn't.
As a government would you be more afraid of your people if they held arms or if they only had their fists?
No, it's like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for alcoholics to own cars.
Agree with pretty much everything you said, Barto. I don't love guns, but I'm not against those who do. I just think we need to find a way to make sure that the people who are buying guns are the people who can and will use them safely and responsibly. Right now, laws for who can and cannot buy a gun are, in my opinion, much too loose.
