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Lavieille
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So, I started running at the beginning of the summer, 2 miles a day. Gradually I upped from 2 miles to 3, 3.5, 4, and now I'm running 6 miles everyday and have been for the past 5 weeks. I'm in the best shape I've ever been in and it really helps get rid of my college stress.
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Some of my friends are telling me that over 4 miles a day everyday is overkill...even though I feel absolutely great. So, NS...is it overkill? What are your opinions on running 6 miles a day everyday? Should I worry about future health issues in my knees/joints/etc?
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Oct 6 2014 9:17PM
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K-Dot.
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There are a lot worse things you can be doing to your body in college.

Keep running man.
Oct 6 2014 9:24PM
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DIX~
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Depends what your goals are. Humans as a species are pretty much designed to run, we've been running way more than 4 miles a day for thousands of years. Running on concrete can suck for your joints though and I'd definitely avoid it if you can.

Running that much will definitely require some pretty heavy eating to maintain a healthy body fat, which will in turn slow your running. Basically if you don't want to compete as a runner then make sure you're not getting ridiculously lean and you'll be 100% fine and way healthier than your lazy ass friends
Oct 6 2014 9:25PM
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uyghur
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I personally wouldn't run every single day, always better to get some rest in. Some cross country runners go like 10+ miles a day.
Oct 6 2014 9:26PM
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Titus69
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You really dont need that much a day. Maybe once a week do that and every other day run 2-3 miles. As long as youre exercising for a good amount of time youll stay fit
Oct 6 2014 9:27PM
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littlelyonsman
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I run Cross Country for a little D3 college in PA so I'm not state champ or anything, but I know a lot about running through doing it competitively for about 10 years now. Just go out and run man. People who don't run can't be giving you advice on how far a day is over kill. I run 6 days a week every week and total close to 45-50 miles a week in season, 30 out. My long runs are close to 10-12 miles on Sunday mornings. You do you man. It will help build up your legs for ski season anyway. If you start to feel sore then bring the milage down a few days or even take a few days off. Ibuprofen will be your best friend when you start hurtin. 2 with every meal of the day usually helps me.


As for the shoes, I run in Saucony Kinvaras or Mizuno Wave Riders
Oct 6 2014 9:28PM
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Lavieille
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Awesome, thanks for the responses everyone.
Oct 6 2014 9:34PM
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John18_6
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I run cross country at my high school and run in brooks. 5k XC PR is 18:44, not too impressive but working on shaving that down to beat my teammate who has an 18:21. He's a sophomore, I'm a senior, and he's the number one guy on our team, propriety is my priority- in fact my team has an off day wednesday but I'm doing a half-marathon run instead of resting. Enough of my little story/running resume... On to you.

42 miles a week is really impressive for a new runner. I'd recommend switching up the lengths, speeds, and styles of your runs for both fitness and enjoyment reasons. Some days you should run longer distances at a slower pace- maybe 10 or 12 and up. Some days you could just do mile repeats with short periods of rest in between (don't stop moving though). Hills workouts are hell but do wonders for your running- at least from my experience. Feel free to just run 6 miles too and just see how fast you can do one. You should sign up for a 10k which is 6.2 miles, it would be a good fit for you. Also Push-ups, sit-ups, planks, and other core/upper body strengthening exercises can prevent injuries by distributing the impact across those muscles more- just repeating what an assistant coach who regularly does ironman triathlons said, she's a boss. Anyways, have fun running, it's a great way to get rid of stress while challenging yourself at the same time!
Oct 6 2014 9:57PM
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Lavieille
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john18061806I run cross country at my high school and run in brooks. 5k XC PR is 18:44, not too impressive but working on shaving that down to beat my teammate who has an 18:21. He's a sophomore, I'm a senior, and he's the number one guy on our team, propriety is my priority- in fact my team has an off day wednesday but I'm doing a half-marathon run instead of resting. Enough of my little story/running resume... On to you.

42 miles a week is really impressive for a new runner. I'd recommend switching up the lengths, speeds, and styles of your runs for both fitness and enjoyment reasons. Some days you should run longer distances at a slower pace- maybe 10 or 12 and up. Some days you could just do mile repeats with short periods of rest in between (don't stop moving though). Hills workouts are hell but do wonders for your running- at least from my experience. Feel free to just run 6 miles too and just see how fast you can do one. You should sign up for a 10k which is 6.2 miles, it would be a good fit for you. Also Push-ups, sit-ups, planks, and other core/upper body strengthening exercises can prevent injuries by distributing the impact across those muscles more- just repeating what an assistant coach who regularly does ironman triathlons said, she's a boss. Anyways, have fun running, it's a great way to get rid of stress while challenging yourself at the same time!


Thanks a lot! I feel like switching up distance and rigor might be a good idea, seeing as I run the same route every time. As well, I actually do a calisthenics exercise everyday which goes as follows:
60 inline push ups (feet on chair)
60 weight shakes for forearms (two 20 lb free-weights)
15 curls right arm/ 15 curls left arm (two 20 lb free-weights)
30 curls both arms (two 20 lb free-weights)
60 ab pulse-ups (two sets)
2 sets of forty second chair holds (20 second break in between)
25 weighted pushups (two 20 lb free-weights)
80 curls both arms (two 20 lb free-weights)
15 wide grip pull ups
15 underhand pull ups
15 overhand pull ups
15 parallel bar pull ups
Oct 6 2014 10:11PM
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TinyTigers
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6 miles a day is great! I usually take weekends off and I've managed to stay injury free for the past 6 years of 30+ miles per week. I run on brooks adrenaline with super feet, definitely check out super feet if you are doing a lot of long distance, especially on hard surfaces. Everyone's different, but I pronate a fuckton and when I don't use the right shoes I can feel it in my shins and knees. Just find something that works for you and stick to it. PM me if you want any good distance workouts.
Oct 6 2014 10:16PM
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Nate.Dog
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john18061806I run cross country at my high school and run in brooks. 5k XC PR is 18:44, not too impressive but working on shaving that down to beat my teammate who has an 18:21. He's a sophomore, I'm a senior, and he's the number one guy on our team, propriety is my priority- in fact my team has an off day wednesday but I'm doing a half-marathon run instead of resting. Enough of my little story/running resume... On to you.

42 miles a week is really impressive for a new runner. I'd recommend switching up the lengths, speeds, and styles of your runs for both fitness and enjoyment reasons. Some days you should run longer distances at a slower pace- maybe 10 or 12 and up. Some days you could just do mile repeats with short periods of rest in between (don't stop moving though). Hills workouts are hell but do wonders for your running- at least from my experience. Feel free to just run 6 miles too and just see how fast you can do one. You should sign up for a 10k which is 6.2 miles, it would be a good fit for you. Also Push-ups, sit-ups, planks, and other core/upper body strengthening exercises can prevent injuries by distributing the impact across those muscles more- just repeating what an assistant coach who regularly does ironman triathlons said, she's a boss. Anyways, have fun running, it's a great way to get rid of stress while challenging yourself at the same time!


damn, 18:21 is the fastest on your team? Wish I had gone to your high school ;)

but actually, that brings a good question to mind, as runners, would you rather be a big fish in a small pond? Or a small fish in a big ocean? I ran a 17:40 in high school and I was 3rd or 4th on my team, I was by no means good, hell I competed at the 1a level in Washington, but if I had competed at 1b I would have been winning meets and medal-ing at districts. But who knows if I would have been that good if I hadn't had faster runners to train with and compete against. It's an interesting thought.

Back on topic, best advice I can give is don't skip on hills, specifically the uphill portion, easily one of the best things you can do for leg strength and cardio, and interval training will rock your shit but if you start competing its a necessity.
Oct 6 2014 10:20PM
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Iraq_Lobster
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john18061806not too impressive but working on shaving that down to beat my teammate who has an 18:21. He's a sophomore, I'm a senior, and he's the number one guy on our team


Really thats the team's best? I don't want to sound like a douche but that doesn't even get you on any varsity team in our conference, like wow, but anyways pretty much do what you feel like you have to OP. I also run cross country, i'm a junior, and my latest PR is 19:14, btw all or our courses are hills, and that is no where near "good", but compared to the years before, it's an insane improvement.

I run in Saucony Guide 7
Oct 6 2014 10:30PM
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XtRemE11
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this is one thing that really gets on my nerves. out of shape people telling in shape people that being in shape is bad for you.

I get it all the time from people who are sick every other week, fat, couldnt run 1/4 mile, moody, depressed etc.. but they think im harming my body by being very physically active, feeling better than i ever have.

Anyway, no its not bad, if something starts feeling strained/hurting, give it a rest for a day and stretch/massage it. if your able to run 6 miles a day and nothings hurting, there is no reason to back off at all.

My only recommendation is to switch it up, do some longer runs, followed by shorter 4ish mile runs the next day or two. trail running, hills, etc..

I'm trying to up my endurance and currently doing only 2 maybe 3 runs a week, one or two "short" 13-16 mile runs, and one long 20+ mile run. but thats with averaging 60 miles on the bike per week too.

What i like about long runs, even if your not trying to up your endurance big time, is that it makes you super critical of every aspect of your running, you quickly figure out what you're doing wrong with your step/stride, what part of your body starts to hurt and how to prevent it the next time, shoe fit, etc..

Id recommend transitioning to a minimal type shoe if you think it'll work for you. I went through 4 different shoes in the past 2 years, all from separate running stores that fit me to my "ideal" supportive, cushy shoe. I couldnt make it past 10 miles without my legs/knees feeling like they were going to break, foot pain, blisters, etc.. finally said fuck it and bought some merrell vapor gloves (about as minimalist as it gets) upped my mileage significantly and pretty quickly, and havent had any pain since other than the balls of my feet hurting from rocky trail runs.
Oct 6 2014 10:30PM
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Negromancer
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I quit running and swim instead. You still get the cardio work out of running just with no force on the joints.
Oct 6 2014 10:30PM
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Tinga
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running is great for you cardiovascularly but it does put a lot of stress on your joints. swimming while great for cardio and joints is not weight baring. there are some good sports like rollerblading and cross country skiing where it's not so much impact but still weight baring. instead of slamming your foot on the ground there is more of a gliding action.

don't get me wrong running is great but it can take it's tole on the body. Like someone else said try to stay away from concrete. Also try to mix it up with other active sports as well.
Oct 7 2014 9:56AM
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John18_6
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moeskibum23As well, I actually do a calisthenics exercise everyday which goes as follows


Yeah, you got it covered, that's far more than quadruple the amount of what I do. Keep it up!

Nate.Dogdamn, 18:21 is the fastest on your team? Wish I had gone to your high school ;)


I know! I'm really lucky and happy about it, our team is really laid back and barely anyone runs at my school, we have about 40 people on our team

Iraq_LobsterReally thats the team's best? I don't want to sound like a douche but that doesn't even get you on any varsity team in our conference,


Yeah, I've seen some JV kids from other schools in meets that crush my PR routinely. I feel embarrassed to take their spots, sometimes I wish I could get in a JV race so I could get top 10 instead of 30th.
Oct 7 2014 11:07AM
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Peter.
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littlelyonsmanI run Cross Country for a little D3 college in PA so I'm not state champ or anything, but I know a lot about running through doing it competitively for about 10 years now. Just go out and run man. People who don't run can't be giving you advice on how far a day is over kill. I run 6 days a week every week and total close to 45-50 miles a week in season, 30 out. My long runs are close to 10-12 miles on Sunday mornings. You do you man. It will help build up your legs for ski season anyway. If you start to feel sore then bring the milage down a few days or even take a few days off. Ibuprofen will be your best friend when you start hurtin. 2 with every meal of the day usually helps me.


As for the shoes, I run in Saucony Kinvaras or Mizuno Wave Riders


you really shouldnt be taking advil with every meal..

as for shoes, try and find a running store around you. there is one by my house where they watch you run and give you the proper shoe for your stride/arch
Oct 7 2014 11:13AM
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John18_6
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I had a day off of cross country practice, coach told me to rest up, but since we are not running Friday I made the possibly stupid decision to try to run 12 miles today, even though I've never done more than 8 at a time. I made it 10 miles before my body shut down after stopping for a stoplight. I might have strained my sartorius but I'm really really hoping it's just sore.

Anyways here's the proof that it's not just a claim: http://www.mapmyrun.com/workout/759695659 the mile 5 split is off because of a damn stoplight. I tried to take it easy, but was pleasantly surprised to see my pace at sub 7. Regardless, Minneapolis might be one of the best running/biking cities. Within the city there are 85 miles of bike trails and 92 miles of bike lanes/boulevards on streets.
Oct 9 2014 12:04AM
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snowdon
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Just pay attention to your body. 6 miles a day is most likely fine unless you have a history of knee problems. If your joints/knees get sore then back off a little, otherwise don't worry about it.

I like Asics. I got them from REI so that I can exchange them for free new ones every 6 months or so (which I guess is kind of a dickhead thing to do but hey I didn't make up their return policy).
Oct 9 2014 12:34AM
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Bread.
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I would say that to much at all. I was doing 8k 3 times a week before a month ago, then i got very sick now im back to doing 5k, sucks how quickly you can loose your endurance. I needa build up to 10k plus because i want to do an triathalon. Im running nike lunar glide 6s, got fitted at a shoe store, things are so light and my ankle does not roll like they did in my last pair.
Oct 9 2014 12:48AM
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Hodor
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i love running. it is my form of meditation where i can truly be with my own thoughts and relax. keep running man, but in my experience it is better to mix it up to keep your joints safe. it will also get you in better overall shape if you don't do the same thing everyday. do intervals one day, long run another, hills another etc
Oct 9 2014 1:05AM
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Dustin.
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If you are running 6 miles a day just because you're a mileage whore, it's excessive. I run for a set amount of time at a certain pace. AKA, I tell myself I'm going to run 7 minute miles for 30 minutes today.

Junk miles won't make you much better, speed will. I'd run your 6 miles 3 times a week and a 2-3 miles run FAST twice a week. I personally love hauling ass and feeling good, and a sub 7, 6, or 5 minute mile is a great benchmark to know if you ever want to train for a race or something.
Oct 9 2014 5:36PM
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CaptainObvious.
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Been running distance for like 17 years now and this is the best advice I can give you: trust your body. Its very good at telling you when to stop.

If you're going to get an injury it can happen just as easily at 10 miles a week as it can at 50. Stretch often and listen to your body.
Oct 9 2014 9:35PM
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John18_6
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STOKED

I just got 3rd out of 300 and set a new PR on a 5k race this morning by 24 seconds, 18:20. I was told that the course was actually a little longer (3.16 miles instead of 3.106 miles which is a true 5k distance), so I calculated based on my pace that my real time would've been 18:01 for a standard length 5k! Also since it was 2 laps on a loop, I had to slow down and yell out to slower walkers on a quarter mile long footbridge that I was coming up on their left, add that with a few hairpin turns I had to slow down for makes up the fact that I would've hit sub-18 in a perfect world, now I know I am capable of hitting it.

Anyways, I'll take what I can and not claim too prestigiously. All I know is I went all out today and that that long run from earlier this week noticeably helped out for my endurance. I only dropped 2 seconds on my second lap! Not bad for a guy who normally runs 6:01 pace dropping to 5:47 pace this race. On to the next one, a 5k xc race on Tuesday with two fricken brutally huge hills on it, not setting a PR but trying to hit top 10 so I can get a shirt.
Oct 12 2014 12:24AM
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CaptainObvious.
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john18061806STOKED

I just got 3rd out of 300 and set a new PR on a 5k race this morning by 24 seconds, 18:20. I was told that the course was actually a little longer (3.16 miles instead of 3.106 miles which is a true 5k distance), so I calculated based on my pace that my real time would've been 18:01 for a standard length 5k! Also since it was 2 laps on a loop, I had to slow down and yell out to slower walkers on a quarter mile long footbridge that I was coming up on their left, add that with a few hairpin turns I had to slow down for makes up the fact that I would've hit sub-18 in a perfect world, now I know I am capable of hitting it.

Anyways, I'll take what I can and not claim too prestigiously. All I know is I went all out today and that that long run from earlier this week noticeably helped out for my endurance. I only dropped 2 seconds on my second lap! Not bad for a guy who normally runs 6:01 pace dropping to 5:47 pace this race. On to the next one, a 5k xc race on Tuesday with two fricken brutally huge hills on it, not setting a PR but trying to hit top 10 so I can get a shirt.


Goo job man. You go get that shirt.
Oct 12 2014 1:03AM
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Download-My-Apps
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6 miles a day really isn't that much... If you enjoy it and it doesn't give you aches and pain keep doing it.

The whole running hurts your knees is complete BS. As long as you have good technique and are not overweight you will be fine.
Oct 12 2014 2:38AM
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Download-My-Apps
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Dustin.If you are running 6 miles a day just because you're a mileage whore, it's excessive. I run for a set amount of time at a certain pace. AKA, I tell myself I'm going to run 7 minute miles for 30 minutes today.

Junk miles won't make you much better, speed will. I'd run your 6 miles 3 times a week and a 2-3 miles run FAST twice a week. I personally love hauling ass and feeling good, and a sub 7, 6, or 5 minute mile is a great benchmark to know if you ever want to train for a race or something.


Geh to an extent. Speed is important. But any high level runner needs a high level mile training plan.
Oct 12 2014 2:40AM
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deleted5
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overkill for what, people who run marathons run way more than that?
Oct 12 2014 2:45AM
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John18_6
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TheSeaCaptainGoo job man. You go get that shirt.


Thanks, I'll try to get the biggest size they have then make it a tall tee for skeen.
Oct 12 2014 11:00AM
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3r1k
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I don't think anyone here can tell you what overkill is, or isn't. Everyone's body is unique and handles different stresses like running in a different way.

BUT - based off of what you've said about your running history, no. I don't think that's overkill. I ran 8 miles a day until I messed up my patella last season. I try to run 5-6 daily now, but it doesn't always happen. Just decide on a day to day basis depending on what your body feels like. Days my knee hurts or I'm too lazy to run I just spend extra time stretching, lol. It's just as good if not better in my opinion.
Oct 12 2014 3:43PM
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John18_6
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Update: I didn't get the shirt because they didn't give out shirts, they gave medals to top 7. I got 12th with an 18:36 (it was a slow course from hills and long grass), 10th was 4 seconds ahead, could've caught up if I had any energy left. Some guy was yelling to the pack of three I was in at the finish "WHO WANTS IT", I'm thinking: I do but I physically can't without dying.

Yesterday I ran the last race of the year at the hardest course in the state, the winner got a 15:09 I think... I did shitty (19:06) because I felt like shit and my attitude was shit- I was pumped at the start and shooting for sub 18:30, but after the first 100ft vert hill the thrill was gone, especially when I realized I had to do it two more times, also my team wasn't even competing for a place. 6:06 first mile, some kids were blasting music on the course which was sweet. 6:23 second mile, I was feeling depressed and pissed off. 5:59 last mile, channeled the negativity into a demon of apollo, saw a group of runners ahead of me, told myself I was going to beat them, I ended up smoking them by 20 seconds because I full out sprinted the last quarter mile, longest minute of my life, but a great way to go out.
Oct 23 2014 9:24PM
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CaptainObvious.
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Good job man. The hardest part, and usually last part to come is the ability to maintain pace on hills. Dont charge, dont slow, just maintain

On a related not, my wife and I took third in a half marathon relay.
Oct 23 2014 9:33PM
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zwilly
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I ran cross country all this year and im going to have to say that it keeps you in good shape. At times it sucks and I rarely run on my own time, away from practices but i helps a lot. Keep going at it dude.
Oct 23 2014 9:59PM
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ski@jaypeak2
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If you are worried about your knees and joints and you are simply running for exercise, you should look into 'good form running'. It is all about shortening your stride, increasing the number of steps, and landing softer through your mid foot.
Most knee injuries for runners occur because they are heavy heel strikers and that impact travels straight to your knees. Take a look at the new balance 980 fresh foam. It has the same 4mm drop as a minimums shoe but you don't sacrifice the cushioning.
Oct 23 2014 10:11PM
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MuckMaestro
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That isn't too much dude you're all good.

Just try to get off the concrete as much as you can, even a rubber track or trails can be better. If you can get involved in recreational trail running races near you I'd say go for it, trail running is the tits.

Run for Pre
Oct 24 2014 1:49AM
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theBearJew
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Gonna use this thread to get back into running. Was killing it right after college, ran 3-4 miles a day. Pushed it to 10 miles one day (PR for distance). Then I moved and tore my ACL. Gotta get back into it, fucking loved it at one point.
Oct 24 2014 8:17AM
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Stadtski
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moeskibum236 miles a day everyday?


I run alot and I know a good deal about training, you want some off days bruh, they will help you and keep you from getting injured. Keep going, I do like 45 miles a week, but I vary my distances and speeds, it keeps your body healthy. Keep it up though.
Oct 24 2014 9:40AM
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veng_m
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I only run in Full Tilts bruh, chasin ladies on the mountain
Oct 24 2014 5:06PM
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John18_6
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theBearJewPushed it to 10 miles one day (PR for distance).


Same! (imaginary high five)
Oct 25 2014 3:46PM
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cobra_commander
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Huh.

I'll take the opposite stance as all these guys. 6 miles a day is a fuck ton. I used to run 30-40 miles a week. I was also 165lb, and could barely bench my body weight, or squat a couple hundred pounds.
Now I run no more than 10 miles a week, and am 200lb of twisted steel and sex appeal. I can still go out and run 5 miles in under 37 minutes (I did it in a hair over 40 yesterday on a broken foot), and knock out 2 in a little over 12. I also have no problem

Running breads cowardice.

Look at sprinters or Olympic lifters and look at cross country or distance runners. Who would you rather be?
Oct 25 2014 4:58PM
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Blurst
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K-Dot.There are a lot worse things you can be doing to your body in college.

Keep running man.


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Oct 25 2014 5:08PM
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cobra_commander
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littlelyonsmanI run Cross Country for a little D3 college in PA so I'm not state champ or anything, but I know a lot about running through doing it competitively for about 10 years now. Just go out and run man. People who don't run can't be giving you advice on how far a day is over kill. I run 6 days a week every week and total close to 45-50 miles a week in season, 30 out. My long runs are close to 10-12 miles on Sunday mornings. You do you man. It will help build up your legs for ski season anyway. If you start to feel sore then bring the milage down a few days or even take a few days off. Ibuprofen will be your best friend when you start hurtin. 2 with every meal of the day usually helps me.


As for the shoes, I run in Saucony Kinvaras or Mizuno Wave Riders


So much wrong with what is being said:

Shoes are a personal preference.

Running does almost fuck all for your leg strength endurance (try doing 400m of lunges, with a barbell loaded to your body weight)

400mg of ibprofin with every meal, or even some of them, will do more to fuck your liver than the next four years immas spends in a sorority. Take it from someone who is 25 with a broken body, where the good days are when you wake up and your hip pain doesn't make you want to punch a homeless man for bein poor. Mobility and strength balancing (re: Yoga motherfuckers, do it) will do more to help you out than drowning your poison filter in NSAIDs.
(And I got bottles of 800mg Motrin and 500mg Naproxin pills for days).

Just to re-iterate. running, like whisky, women, and warfare, is great, but too much will leave you broke and bloody on the side of the road.
Oct 25 2014 5:34PM
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John18_6
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Just ran a super hilly road race but I put more effort into it than any other race this year yet. Came across with a 19:14 and I'm thinking..... "that's not right"....... in fact, it was not. someone started the race clock a minute before the race started which puts me at 18:14! new official PR! according to map my run it was 3.15 miles instead of 3.106 which would put me at 17:58.7 if that is true. so maybe I just hit my first unofficial sub-18. although map my run seems to be a little generous.
Oct 26 2014 4:08PM
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Dustin.
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Download-My-AppsGeh to an extent. Speed is important. But any high level runner needs a high level mile training plan.


He's not a high level runner, and that's not true at all. You need to run mileage relative to the distance you are competing in, but he's running for mental and physical well being only. I'm suggesting a more speed based plan to mix it up because I personally enjoy faster paced runs.
Oct 26 2014 4:51PM
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Dlud
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john18061806Just ran a super hilly road race but I put more effort into it than any other race this year yet. Came across with a 19:14 and I'm thinking..... "that's not right"....... in fact, it was not. someone started the race clock a minute before the race started which puts me at 18:14! new official PR! according to map my run it was 3.15 miles instead of 3.106 which would put me at 17:58.7 if that is true. so maybe I just hit my first unofficial sub-18. although map my run seems to be a little generous.


Good work! Just finished my last high school season here in Portland, 17:00.8. So close to sub 17. I don't know how you're running, but Id try taking the first mile out at around 5:50, speeding up the second mile, and then just letting loose for the third mile. If you're used to running at the front, this'll be a little weird, but I guarantee that you'll have one hell of a race. Good luck, and happy running!
Oct 26 2014 4:58PM
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loopie
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I used to run 9 miles pretty frequently. Trail running combined with steep hills fuuuuuuucked my knees up.

Never again...I'm going to have to agree with the guy above about running being "warfare." Especially if you are not some skinny XC runner and have some weight on you your joints take a beating.

Most runners I know develop some sort of shin splits/knee problems/back problems. I loved running but it was doing more bad than good.

Not to discourage but just take some precaution. If you start to feel pain take a break and don't ignore it.
Oct 26 2014 6:17PM
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loopie
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Download-My-AppsThe whole running hurts your knees is complete BS. As long as you have good technique and are not overweight you will be fine.


fucking bullshit

Anyone who is fatigued know that's when form starts to break down. It's impossible to be 100% all the time. You either aren't pushing yourself or a pussy.
Oct 26 2014 6:21PM
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Lavieille
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It's really interesting to hear all the different opinions on here, thanks everyone.
Oct 26 2014 7:12PM
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John18_6
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DludGood work! Just finished my last high school season here in Portland, 17:00.8. So close to sub 17. I don't know how you're running, but Id try taking the first mile out at around 5:50, speeding up the second mile, and then just letting loose for the third mile. If you're used to running at the front, this'll be a little weird, but I guarantee that you'll have one hell of a race. Good luck, and happy running!


holy hell! 17 flat! you should hop in a flat road race 5k to hit sub-17. I usually end up running the first mile too fast (like 5:40ish), I tough out the second mile (drop to 6:00ish), then I do my last mile a similar pace to my first mile. It really depends on the course though. This one was extremely hilly for the first half, then flat the second half. This race had some kids from Wayzata MN (their varsity team averages sub 16 and is ranked 3rd in the nation from what I heard), I was just hoping to beat some of them- which I did (narcissistic victory!), I got smoked by a few of them, one kid hit a 16:25 i think. Anyways, thanks for the advice and go get that sub 17!
Oct 26 2014 8:25PM
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Dlud
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john18061806holy hell! 17 flat! you should hop in a flat road race 5k to hit sub-17. I usually end up running the first mile too fast (like 5:40ish), I tough out the second mile (drop to 6:00ish), then I do my last mile a similar pace to my first mile. It really depends on the course though. This one was extremely hilly for the first half, then flat the second half. This race had some kids from Wayzata MN (their varsity team averages sub 16 and is ranked 3rd in the nation from what I heard), I was just hoping to beat some of them- which I did (narcissistic victory!), I got smoked by a few of them, one kid hit a 16:25 i think. Anyways, thanks for the advice and go get that sub 17!


Thanks man, yeah I'll probably do that. Best part is that my team was so good that I was running jv in most races this year, which is super fun, cause I get to finish top 5 every single race. If you're ever out in Portland hit me up and we'll go for a jog!
Oct 26 2014 11:47PM
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moeskibum23As well, I actually do a calisthenics exercise everyday which goes as follows:
60 inline push ups (feet on chair)
60 weight shakes for forearms (two 20 lb free-weights)
15 curls right arm/ 15 curls left arm (two 20 lb free-weights)
30 curls both arms (two 20 lb free-weights)
60 ab pulse-ups (two sets)
2 sets of forty second chair holds (20 second break in between)
25 weighted pushups (two 20 lb free-weights)
80 curls both arms (two 20 lb free-weights)
15 wide grip pull ups
15 underhand pull ups
15 overhand pull ups
15 parallel bar pull ups


You might seriously consider balancing your chest and biceps (frontal muscles) with back and triceps, and most importantly shoulders. When you over do a muscle area such as your calisthenics and even running, those groups get stronger while the balancing group stays the same = shoulder rotating problems and forward posture.

Here is what I mean
skip to 4:10

http://youtu.be/bEMgBvVflKY
Oct 27 2014 2:29AM
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