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The future of skiing and this entire revolution

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NoTeefa
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It seems like a lot of people are worried about the future of the movement. They're worried that pretty soon we're gonna have a bunch of poser skiers, who like all the snowboarders, are just trying to look cool.

I'm really not that worried about it and i'll tell you why. I'm not worried because the more people that are into the sport whether they are posers or not, the more money the ski companys will be able to put into making better park skis, and also more of us who are keepin it real will be able to get sponsored.

No matter where the sport goes i'm gonna keep doin what i love, representin in the air, in the bumps and in the backcountry.




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Jul 9 2002 3:22AM
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Oh yeah!
Jul 9 2002 10:24AM
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Jul 9 2002 10:25AM
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Dirty
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the problem with that idea, k2 included, is that most companys dont put the money made on twin tips back into twin tip development.

the only company right now that actually puts the money where it belongs is Line. soon there will be A*****, and this company will also put the money they make back into twin tips.

when you are supporting other companys such as salomon, k2, and rossignol, you are in turn supporting the recreational market, more so than the future of our sport.

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Jul 9 2002 11:31AM
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Krongos
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good call, both of you.


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Jul 9 2002 11:41AM
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gravteck
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Noone flame me, but I actually heard from reliable sources who work w/ a some rep guys for ski hills that salomon was bought by nike and line was bought out too. But that's just something I heard.
Jul 9 2002 4:01PM
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gravteck
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Alright I was off a bit... adidas and salomon merged, and nike is working w/ marker in development of winter sport products.
Jul 9 2002 4:06PM
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stephen_beast
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aaargh nike has to get their noses in everything, I remember when I was into hockey, bauer and nike helmets where, the same (nike helmets even had the bauer simble if you looked close enough), but the nike helmets where $20 more. I know i'm off thopic. Dirty and K2 had good points
Jul 9 2002 4:12PM
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kevywevy
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isn't salomon owned by arc'teryx? its a company that makes backpacking and camping stuff for those of you who have never heard of them.

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Jul 9 2002 4:27PM
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Graves
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Salomon is actually affiliated with Addidas and Tailor Made Golf Clubs. I don't know if Arc'Teryx is affiliated or not. However, there are tons of ski companies out there that have larger parent companies just because that can't afford to start up without the help of other companies. Rotor-Sports, for example, is a division of Couloir outerwear.

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Jul 10 2002 12:48AM
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Darknight002
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my schools ski team is getting nike jackets for our 'team jacket.' they are pretty good i think
Jul 12 2002 11:52PM
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NoTeefa
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your school has a ski team? that's the most retarded thing i've ever heard of.




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Jul 13 2002 10:53AM
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so does mine..we have 2. one for competitive racing and one where u go and do whatever the hell you want

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Jul 13 2002 11:59AM
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SkierX
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Ya, good call dirty. But also good call K2. Why should we really care if there are people who just wanna look cool but don't try anything? Seriously, if anything, it'll just make anyone that tries, look better. Plus, if you do newschool for the image, you're in it for the wrong reasons.
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Jul 13 2002 12:45PM
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petedogglicksmyass
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Dirty, you have no idea what you are talking about. You think that Line is the only ski company that puts money into development of twin tips? Then why to their skis suck so badly? Look, I know you love Line to no end, but get a clue when it comes to the rest of the ski companies out there. Every ski company out there puts money into developing all of their skis especially the park skis. They know that 'New School' saved the ski industry from getting taken over by snowboarding, and everyone knows that is the future. Has any product development manager from any ski company ever told you otherwise? I doubt it. So shut the Hell up.
Jul 13 2002 7:41PM
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Jul 13 2002 7:48PM
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Natedawg
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I have to agree with what petedog is trying to say... If ski companies weren't putting into newschool skis, they wouldn't have new twin tips every year! Another thing... We need to support the companies that ARE putting into the sport! I see too many skiers wearing snowboard gear... Yes, a lot of snowboard gear does look pimp, but there are ski companies out there now that are picking it up! The progression of this sport and YOUR opportunity in skiing depends on these companies who are dedicated to the movement! Oh, and yeah, posers DO fuel this sport, just like many sports! They are the ones spending the money, making our potential increase! Besides, you need someone to look up to you, don't you? Peace, N8


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Jul 14 2002 12:59AM
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alpentalik
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Actually, Dirty is correct as of right now, ski companies do not put a lot back into R&D with twin tips.



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Jul 14 2002 1:26AM
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gravteck
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The ski industry was never going to be taken over by snowboarding. Just look at the market base for skiing... it's yuppies!!!! Rich people who ski with their families and have money to spend within the ski economy and surrounding atmosphere. On local hills in the midwest and east, it's just another fun activity for regular people to do. My local hill makes a killer in profit just from people coming out on rentals. When 10-20% of these people decide to ski again and invest in a pair of their own, do you think they're out the buying twin tips? nope. Most likely they're looking for an inexpensive ski around 250-350 dollars. And twin tips usually don't fall in that category.
Jul 14 2002 1:27AM
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Dirty
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as a matter of fact i do know what im talking about. larger corporations may have more durable skis as of right now, but thats because theres more money to do so with. but over time if we all continue to support line and armada, then the skis will grow better and better and soon surpass all the corporations. i understand what petedogg and the other dude are trying to say, but my response is based on my interest in our type of skiings future.

i hope that skiing continues in the direction that we want it to, and that the twin tip market becomes a tottally different market than the rec market, somewhat like what snowboarding is.

for the most part snowboarding is run by young people like us, whereas skiing is run by old people who have no clue what skiing is to us. if we support the companies that support us then we will end up running the twin tip industry ourselves and have a much greater say in whats happening, with twin tip development as well as the future of the sport.

dmb

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Jul 14 2002 2:24AM
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Durtschi
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bonfire is with addidas also:

poser skiers help with ski companies get money?
i guess that works in theory


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Jul 14 2002 2:44AM
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What
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i reckon the companies are doing their best in putting money into park skis and shit, but only because they know newschool saved skiing. only problem is that by now i reckon all ski companies are making snowboards too, or at least considering it. so they probably couldnt give a rats ass as to whether skiing dies or not. mainly cuz if it does die, more people snowboard, more snowboard business for them, because they would all start snowboard shit. if it dont die, they keep thier ski business. they are in a win-win situation, and probably couldnt care as to the future of skiing. xcept probly line, dont think they make snowboards. just what i think, not what i want
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Jul 14 2002 6:56AM
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SkierX
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Two things...

You may not like Line's skis now, but in fact, they are the only ones who truly care. sure other companies have better quality skis right now, but that's simply a result of more starting capital. You can't make the best shit, if you don't have the starting resources. Simple economics here.

Secondly and most importantly...why the hell do you care if there are posers?? Sounds like you are skiing for the image, and to be an elite group? Yer missing the point of skiing then.
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Jul 14 2002 9:01AM
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Baker
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Arc'teryx doesn't own any body, it is a fairly small company and because the come of with to new and high tech shit other big companies just copy it and make 10 as much $. The same thing sort of happen to line, everyone is starting to copy them. It is way easier for a big company to copy something rather than actual design something new. think how far ahead the technology would be if no one copied and everybody kept designing new shit.

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Jul 14 2002 9:32AM
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Dirty
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you guys need to get something through your heads, newschool did not save skiing, it may have changed the image a bit in some peoples minds, but as for saving it then hell no. skiing has been around for a long time, and will be around wether were a part of it or not, it will always be an older person, richer person recreational sport. we just have a cool side to it that makes it seem better to us.

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Jul 14 2002 11:50AM
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NoTeefa
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Dirty's def got a good point, all we did was take what our parents taught us (how to ski) and gave it a twist to make it more fun for us after the other stuff got boring. in no way did we 'save' skiing.




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Jul 14 2002 4:35PM
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sim
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I kinda think that newschool saved skiing. While it is a sport for the upper class in the most part and was especially about five years ago, it will change. If newschool didnt come along and get young people skiing again, and they went snowboarding instead, then the youngest skiers now would be like 20. Im kind of generalizing too. Anyway, while skiing would still be alive and would have stayed alive for the next while. All the parents that grew up on snowboarding, would be teaching their kids to snowboard instead. Slowly, there would no longer be skiers. Its all about the youth, and the sooner all companies realize this the better skiing will be. I think that every company should just twin tip all there skis (except race ones maybe) and then the people that buy skis without the intention of using them for jumping would maybe actually get into it. Eventually, all people that ski, whether they want to jump or not, will just think that thats how skis are suppose to be.
Jul 14 2002 5:12PM
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madontarian
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i don't give a shit about the future or revolution, skiing is pretty fun right now, im just gonna let it go wherever it goes and know that I will be there havin just as much fun with it as I am now.


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Jul 14 2002 6:18PM
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and if snowboarding hadn't come along, this whole newschool thing would have never happened so in a way, snowboarding saved skiing.
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Jul 14 2002 6:26PM
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NoTeefa
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If it weren't for snowboarding this whole newschool thing would have never happened so in a way, snowboarding actually saved skiing.




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Jul 14 2002 6:29PM
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Jibtech
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That was the most inteligent thing I've heard some one say on this site in a long time.
Jul 14 2002 7:29PM
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Jibtech
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That was the most inteligent thing I've heard some one say on this site in a long time.
Jul 14 2002 7:34PM
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gravteck
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What the heck sim, you're argument is that young snowboarders will raise their kids to be snowboarders, ok. But there already is an established generation of skiers who have taught their kids how to ski, and progeny of the established generation will continue to be. It's not like the snowboarders are stealing away skiers. Pretty much from here on out there is going to be a consistent dichotomy between snowboarders and skiers, and I don't think newschool changed that one bit. I loved to ski even before I was really into learning new tricks. Everyone was probably once like that, and if newschool never happened I doubt you would have turned to snowboarding... everyone would have still skied (maybe not as much) and everyone would have still put money into the industry by owning skis. Skiing was never on the verge of dieing... and it wasn't going to be no matter how 'lame' it could have been destined to be.
Jul 14 2002 7:44PM
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kevywevy
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I don't know about where you guys live, but here in washington most snowboarders who have kids either ask them what they wanna learn (skiing or snowboarding) or they just start their kids off skiing. At least thats what i've noticed. i've gone up chair lifts with tons of guys in their 30's and they have thier kids on skis. its just how they started and maybe thats the way they wanna start off thier kids. i don't care about posers. i don't think it really matters, all it means is that they aren't skiiers at heart. and i don't know about any more, but snowboarding did 'steal' a lot of skiers from the sport. i remember back in about 6th grade. almost everybody skied. then snowboarding became cool and pretty much all of my friends who once skied turned to snowboarding. i've tried snowboarding once, and the reason that i think everybody has picked up snowboarding is partly because it is so easy. i think i stayed with skiing because im stuborn and because snowboarding wasn't challenging enough for me. just my 3 cents

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Jul 14 2002 8:06PM
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petedogglicksmyass
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Yes, 'Newschool' did save skiing. As my collegue before me stated, in 20 years the kids that are snowboarding now instead of skiing will just teach their kids to snowboard. I don't know about any of you, but in my high school the only people that skied were those that did it competitively. Everyone else snowboarded because it was 'cool'.

And those who are still insisting that Line is the only company that is trying to develop a better twin tip, I ask you this: was Line the first company to have a twin tip fat ski? Of course not. The first twin tip fat ski that Line made was on the cover of the Nov Powder 2000. It was a prototype with the Darkside cosmetic. Skogen was doing a 3 tail. Now, if you have a brain, you know that there were
Jul 14 2002 11:59PM
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Jibtech
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that there were what?

You need some help with the english language son? this thread went from one of the most inteligent things I have ever read, to possibly one of the most incoherent disjointed collection of thoughts I have ever read.
Jul 15 2002 3:10AM
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NoTeefa
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you're all saying that newschool saved skiing, and that's bullshit. skiing is no different than it was before, all the kids at my high school still think skiing is lame, newschool didn't change a thing.




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Jul 15 2002 3:27AM
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kevywevy
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k2skipimp is right. newschool really didn't change the sport that much. i admit that it has changed it somewhat but not drasticly.

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Jul 15 2002 4:36AM
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NH_LiNe
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i used to play hockey to steven_beast, and nike was just more expensive than all the other equipment if they get into skiing and make skis that will be wierd... there clothing would probably be cool though.


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Jul 15 2002 10:02AM
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Dirty
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nike does make ski clothing, its 'nike acg'


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Jul 15 2002 12:32PM
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petedogglicksmyass
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David Levin, I don't need to hear any lip from you. I know that you BELIEVE that you make the raddest ski movies around, but save the attitude for someone that deserves it, because I am not in the mood. I don't suppose it is my fault that the rest of my post didn't show up, now is it? Regarless of that fact, you still get the impression of my post, do you not? Perhaps you would like for me to write it out but use smaller words? Get back to me on that one.
Jul 17 2002 6:44PM
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dez22
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ahahaha.....

well this is my point:

everyone is talking about how new school skiing is getting bigger and bigger but is it really for the best? i mean, sure pros will get alot more money, but then wont skiing just turn into the sport that snowboarding is now? i mean, im not dissing the snowboarding industry, but my point is there will be vary little difference between where skiing is at and where snowboarding is at because they will both be concidered 'cool' and have lots of posers (like me). So why would we want to turn skiing into the next snowboard?
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Jul 18 2002 2:13PM
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NoTeefa
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well dez, it's gonna happen whether we like it or not. I dont really give a flying fuck either way, it doesnt affect me in the slightest, and if it does decide to affect me, it will probably be in a good way.



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Jul 18 2002 2:32PM
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Dirty
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petedogg, first off i like seeing you lip back at levin, but secondly, he is correct when he speaks, have you not read any of our posts on this subject before? Line is the only company who puts all the money they make back into twin tip development, i'm not saying that other companies dont put money towards it, but line has an interest in where the sport is going, whereas other companies only care about money, so if enough people support line, then line will make the best skis.

dmb

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Jul 18 2002 3:49PM
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Penguino1
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ok, arguments like these aint helping anybody, especially not newschool as a whole, lets support the companies that support us. and why would a company not put money back into r&d on their product, you have to make the better product if you want any hope of selling it.

dirty and k2skeepimp, you two and some of the rest of you are gods


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Jul 18 2002 4:27PM
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NoTeefa
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fuckin a! dude, don't call me a god, that makes me an idoliter, now i'm going to hell!!

I agree with the dirt man about the whole line thing, but i'm still not gonna buy their skis, even if it will create a better product in the long run, i like K2s too much, and i can only afford to buy one pair of skis at a time.



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Jul 18 2002 4:52PM
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petedogglicksmyass
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I believe that companies like Line are truely what is great for the ski industry. What is wrong with the ski industry is that there aren't enough young companies out there. There needs to be more youth in this industry, and it is getting better. Line just needs to learn that they aren't the center of the universe and they need to drop a lot of attitude. Line's motto is image before product. They have a good image, but their skis are horrible. Line markets themselves as the 'cool' ski company. That's the only reason people buy their skis. The problem is everyone is starting to learn that their skis at garbage. So now they are try to make it look like they are 'progressing the twin tip'. Trust me, every ski company out there works on putting out the best ski available (for the price). Line just doesn't have the money to make a decent ski yet. Eventually they will, as will all the other young ski companies that spring up.

I like the 'no other ski companies put the money they make on twins back in to R&D' quote. Look, ski companies don't make money on twins. They don't sell in stores. Why do you think Line has no money to begin with? There just isn't a big enough market out there. Why do companies make them? They are realizing they are the future of skiing. As I see it, most skis will end up being twin tipped. When our generation grows up, almost every ski will be, much like almost every snowboard is now. The only skis that are twins now are big mountain and park skis because those are what our generation buys. Ski companies are evolving twins for the future, and believe me, it's not just Line.
Jul 18 2002 9:05PM
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Dirty
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k2 has always been image before product so dont even talk shit on that. the tips explode every year till now. line is not image before product, they do have a sick team, but only to push the product that will soon be the best on the market if people like you keep your mouths shut.

dmb

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Jul 18 2002 10:15PM
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NoTeefa
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hahahaha, dirty you're a pimp, you can be the lineskeepimp.
Everybody seems to be complaining about their twins exploding, whether it's line, k2, dynastar (i snapped my friends concepts when i under rotated a front flip)
My guess is that the ski companies are conspiring against us, they've allied themselves with the communist jews, everybody ruuunnn!!!



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Jul 19 2002 2:29AM
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NoTeefa
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again, dirty is right, k2 is a lot about image, but peppy seems to think that those public enemys are fuckin badass, so im gonna take his recommendation



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Jul 19 2002 2:33AM
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Aight im to lazy to read all the posts, but it looks like what Dirty was saying makes sence. When u buy skies from a company such as rossi or solomen, there goin to put probobly about 90% of what they get into the recriational and racing skis market, because thats what sells. But when u buy from a company such as line, which doesnt not make skis for the new school part of skiing instead recriational part of skiing then there putting 100% of what they are getting right back into making the newschool skis and suck since they don make skis that cater to the recriational type of skiing. So in the end they are putting the most money and time into developing park skis while not making peace of shit skis for the majority of the public.


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