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New study regarding teenagers and weed

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GayWolf420
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/09/study-teens-who-smoke-weed-daily-are-60-less-likely-to-complete-high-school-than-those-who-never-use/?tid=rssfeed


Thoughts? I do agree that usage at a young age isn't good, cant really mess with the young developing brain, though i did smoke first smoke weed at like 15.
Sep 10 2014 4:24PM
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KravtZ
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Saw it as well. I really agree with it looking back at high school / middle school and now (post college grad). Lot of kids smoke and are fine but more than a lot of those pioneers back in the day are the ones who really screwed up in life.
Sep 10 2014 4:30PM
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SFB
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i knew it all along, damn punk kids and ther hemp.
Sep 10 2014 5:50PM
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wasatch_rat
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not surprising at all. nor is it relevant to the legalization movement. if you did a study of kids who drink alcohol daily it would probably have pretty similar results, nobody is advocating drug use for kids.
Sep 10 2014 6:04PM
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Lé.Skiing
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I sparked my first "J" in grade 7. then continued to smoke it at least once a week from that point forward up until HS then smoked pretty much at least once a day. After I graduated HS and moved out I was smoking at least once a day, but probably a bit more most days(pretty much just blazed since I got home till I went to bed). Then moved back to my home town and smoked about an 8th a day for a bunch of years(some days smoked about a quarter oz). I recently took one year off from smoking about a couple years ago now and it was the best thing I had ever done. I don't even smoke it any more now.

In other words I'm sure blazing didn't help me get through school, but I guess I am one of those people who can smoke it and function. All I'm going to say from my experience is that I feel like people can do whatever they want, and it's more of a psychological thing(how I felt about it anyway). However indica does make you more drowsy, and sativa is more of like a wake up weed. Studies that try and make a bold statement like this really needs to be more on the ball with what exactly they are researching. I bet people who smoke more sativa and go to school are able to complete it without as many issues as if you are blazing straight indica.

(This is purely my opinion based on my past experiences.)
Sep 10 2014 6:07PM
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Lé.Skiing
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LE.Skiing(This is purely my opinion based on my past experiences.)


Forgot to mention that I'm not saying people in school should blaze. It's obvious that they shouldn't, but if you are going to do it (which a lot of people will do regardless of the studies they read.) I would recommend sativa over indica.
Sep 10 2014 6:12PM
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WPoch
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I smoked the pot once. Am I stupud now?
Sep 10 2014 6:19PM
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eheath
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Bullshit propaganda, weed doesnt do shit. Everyone I knew in my highschool (including myself) who smoked anywhere from daily to weekly graduated high school. Does that mean 100% of high school students who smoke weed graduate? Bias fucking statistics, 3000 students in australia and NZ how the fuck is that suppose to represent "ALL" teenageers? fuck that
Sep 10 2014 6:25PM
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lIllI
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pussyfooterBullshit propaganda, weed doesnt do shit. Everyone I knew in my highschool (including myself) who smoked anywhere from daily to weekly graduated high school. Does that mean 100% of high school students who smoke weed graduate? Bias fucking statistics, 3000 students in australia and NZ how the fuck is that suppose to represent "ALL" teenageers? fuck that


Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

Also, I believe that experimenting with drugs during adolescence (within reason of course) is healthy practice before reaching adulthood and you have to take responsibility for your own actions. Don't be that asshole who is 22 and acts like a 15 year old fuckboi when he gets drunk because he hasn't had any practice.
Sep 10 2014 6:29PM
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Turner.
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This is propagandistic headline bullshit that amounts to nothing. Don't mix up causality and correlation. Imo, the most relevant part of the article (emphasis mine):

"You can expect these findings to be highly cited by opponents of liberalized marijuana laws, like the Office of National Drug Control Policy and the Smart Approaches to Marijuana project. But it's important to put them in proper context.

First, the causality isn't 100 percent clear. The researchers did a fantastic job of trying to account for a number of confounding factors. But particularly when it comes to the educational outcomes, there are a lot of factors at play. For instance, if a teacher knows or even suspects that a certain kid is using drugs, that may predispose the teacher against that student. 'Teachers are very likely to stigmatize drug users,' says Joseph Palamar, co-author of another recent study comparing teen marijuana and alcohol use. 'That stereotype gives kids problems, and that kid's not gonna want to go to class.'"

Palamar also says that because marijuana "is an illegal drug, you have to buy it in an illegal manner, and then you’re exposed to the black market. Marijuana use is affiliating you with other kids, some of whom might be problematic – people more likely to question authority. You become affiliated with things that might have a negative impact on your education."

Moreover, Palamar's research shows that because of marijuana's legal status, teen cannabis users are much more likely to get into trouble with the police than teen alcohol users. And in many cases, if you have a drug conviction on your record, you become ineligible for college aid. "If you get caught with drugs, you're not able to go to college," he told me.

In other words, many of the problems associated with teen cannabis use are likely a function of the drug's illegal status.

That said, it's completely reasonable to accept that heavy use of any drug as a teenager - be it weed, alcohol, or tobacco - is going to lead to negative consequences down the line. This in itself isn't an argument for prohibition of cannabis. For that, you'd need to demonstrate a link between relaxed cannabis laws and increased teen drug use, with the negative social consequences that go along with it. But multiple studies have shown a flat or even negative relationship between medical marijuana laws and teen cannabis use, for instance. And very early data out of Colorado shows a slight dip in teen use since the state passed a legalization measure in 2012."
Sep 10 2014 6:41PM
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.lencon
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I hope all the weed smoking dick heads don't complete high school where I live.


I'm not saying weed makes you a dick cause it doesn't. I know quite a few people who smoke weed and are really nice. But a lot of the people at my school who smoke weed often are straight a holes.
Sep 10 2014 6:46PM
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lIllI
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Turner.That said, it's completely reasonable to accept that heavy use of any drug as a teenager - be it weed, alcohol, or tobacco - is going to lead to negative consequences down the line.


Studies have shown that 100% of teenagers who used marijuana faced adversity in their adult lives and eventually died.
Sep 10 2014 6:48PM
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eheath
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lIllIStudies have shown that 100% of teenagers who used marijuana faced adversity in their adult lives and eventually died.


Did you know that 100% of rapists drink water?


Did you know everyone who drinks water will die?
Sep 10 2014 6:55PM
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lIllI
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pussyfooterDid you know that 100% of rapists drink water?


My god. All this time I was a rapist and didn't even know it.
Sep 10 2014 6:59PM
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Turd.Ferguson
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Ill show those bastards i can finish highschool
Sep 10 2014 7:30PM
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louie.mirags
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KravtZSaw it as well. I really agree with it looking back at high school / middle school and now (post college grad). Lot of kids smoke and are fine but more than a lot of those pioneers back in the day are the ones who really screwed up in life.


A lot of those kids were going to grow up to be screw ups regardless of marijuana. If not pot then gambling, alcohol, or just being lazy on the couch. Not everybody is going to be successful one day.
Sep 10 2014 7:30PM
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Titus69
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I kinda agree, I have this senior in a few classes and hes in the cool group but is a dumbass. Hes had a ton of concussions but still smokes a ton of pot even in the school year and hes a shitty student. I know some kids who smoke a lot but actually get good grades, I do about once every 2-3 weeks but sometimes longer. If youre not dependent or an idiot with pot, you can get by with ease and still have a good time.
Sep 10 2014 7:47PM
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FreedGucci
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Moderation is everything
Sep 10 2014 7:48PM
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ZachAndCheese
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Started smoking jazz cigarettes in eighth grade. Best decision ever. Finishing high school a year early with half a year of my freshmen college courses complete. FUCK THE STATUS QUO
Sep 10 2014 8:05PM
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skiersupreme
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the thing about it is that weed isn't whats stopping them from graduating. its doing other drugs and ditching class and doing other stupid things. i know plenty of stoners who get good grades and smoke every day
Sep 10 2014 8:23PM
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Chubbs.
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aint nothin like pokin a little smot
Sep 10 2014 8:28PM
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GayWolf420
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i think smoking heavy at a young age is bad, but there are other factors that play a huge role i think, i.e parenting, mental stability, shit like that. there are reasons kids use drugs heavy, and that probably contributes to why they are sucking in school, or are dropping out in general.
Sep 10 2014 8:31PM
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Titus69
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skiersupremethe thing about it is that weed isn't whats stopping them from graduating. its doing other drugs and ditching class and doing other stupid things. i know plenty of stoners who get good grades and smoke every day


same a good friend of mine usually comes in baked but is so used to it hes normal but in my academic support class theres these two hilarious senior skater kids who are funny but will say theyre going to talk to their counselor or teacher and just ditch and go skate or do whatever, theyre usually baked and will graduate with mediocre grades.
Sep 10 2014 8:32PM
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ZachAndCheese
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skiersupremethe thing about it is that weed isn't whats stopping them from graduating. its doing other drugs and ditching class and doing other stupid things. i know plenty of stoners who get good grades and smoke every day


Yeah, like 90% of unmotivated people I know smoke weed. They aren't unmotivated due to smoking though, that's just common for all people with low ambition. Smoking weed has no direct connection to grades, low motivation does, and people that are less motivated tend to say fuck it and smoke.
Sep 10 2014 8:48PM
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GeorgiaJibber
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I honestly believe that there are two types of people that are daily users, the ones that keep quite to themselves about there usage, stay up to date with all of there schoolwork, do extracurricular activities and have motivation to achieve goals later in life

Then you have your daily smokers who wont shut the fuck up about how they smoke all the time, publicize all there marijuana use over social media, and take pride in the fact that they are known as the hippy stoner

Overall if you stay smart with you usage and not let it takeover your life, smoking weed doesn't really have that big of an impact on your life
Sep 10 2014 9:14PM
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last_tango
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ZachAndCheeseYeah, like 90% of unmotivated people I know smoke weed.

Sep 10 2014 9:26PM
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Ski_Alot
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Seems more like correlation than causation. I feel like kids who smoke weed daily are less likely to live in stable homes and stuff like that, which truly leads to dropping out of school and depression, instead of weed directly causes dropping out and depression
Sep 10 2014 9:28PM
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ZachAndCheese
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last_tango


That's exactly what I'm saying. The only reason that weed has this misconception is because it is common among people that are already unmotivated and going nowhere. It's like saying that drinking water causes you to have a chode because people that have a chode drink water.
Sep 10 2014 9:55PM
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spliff.Life
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DeebieSkeebiesi think smoking heavy at a young age is bad, but there are other factors that play a huge role i think, i.e parenting, mental stability, shit like that. there are reasons kids use drugs heavy, and that probably contributes to why they are sucking in school, or are dropping out in general.


Yes I agree. I started smoking almost daily halfway through high school, and pretty much daily from senior year on and I have a Bachelors degree. Against all odds I guess, That article does not look legit though especially since it was on the washington post
Sep 11 2014 2:12AM
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Dolan.Escobar
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I personally think you should wait till your in college or 18 before smoking weed, or doing any drug besides alcohol. But weed is pretty benign, even for teenagers.

Its possible that people who are destined to not graduate hs tend to also be weed smokers. Doesnt mean weed causes you to not graduate
Sep 11 2014 2:23AM
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louie.mirags
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Dolan.EscobarI personally think you should wait till your in college or 18 before smoking weed, or doing any drug besides alcohol. But weed is pretty benign, even for teenagers.

Its possible that people who are destined to not graduate hs tend to also be weed smokers. Doesnt mean weed causes you to not graduate


Alcohol? the drug that leads to terrible decision making? Really?
Sep 11 2014 8:59AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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As a moderate user I'd say marijuana has a negative effect on my brain. By that I mean I forget simple shit and feel cloudy. I hardly smoked over the summer (maybe 3 times) and felt so much more clear-minded.
Sep 11 2014 9:05AM
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FreedGucci
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Granite_StateAs a moderate user I'd say marijuana has a negative effect on my brain. By that I mean I forget simple shit and feel cloudy. I hardly smoked over the summer (maybe 3 times) and felt so much more clear-minded.


Preach
Sep 11 2014 9:19AM
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louie.mirags
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Dolan.EscobarI personally think you should wait till your in college or 18 before smoking weed, or doing any drug besides alcohol. But weed is pretty benign, even for teenagers.

Its possible that people who are destined to not graduate hs tend to also be weed smokers. Doesnt mean weed causes you to not graduate


louie.miragsAlcohol? the drug that leads to terrible decision making? Really?


To expand further, the worst decisions I made as a teen were on alcohol. Driving too fucked up, getting in cars with the driver too fucked up, spending too much money, making bad judgement calls and where to go, blowing money on strippers, fucking a fat chick etc... On weed I just ate too many Doritos and skipped class.
Sep 11 2014 9:26AM
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louie.mirags
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Sep 12 2014 10:15AM
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Anathema
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just judging from my own experience, pretty much all of the guys i hung out with in highschool that were heavy pot heads (and i mean, every day at recess it was smoke break, after school you'd get together and roll joints and hit the bong, etc) are now doing little to nothing. working random jobs, suping up some shitbox old golf, just getting by.

people i know that smoked weed once in a while it had no impact on whatsoever.

but then again, it's hard to say that weed did it, or if they were just the kind of dumb people who weren't going to do anything any way and weed is a fun lifestyle obsession for a dumb person who wants to do nothing but laze around all the time..
Sep 12 2014 10:23AM
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DasGoatenshafter
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I think some people are drawn to the anti-establishment lifestyle, and part of that is experimenting with illicit drugs. Those people also, likely, aren't in love with school or looking to work for the man later in life. That being said, I don't think weed is a study aid or motivator so "at risk" teens may adopt a life of high leisure and not pursue conventional ambitions the way they would've had they been nudged in another direction.
Sep 12 2014 10:36AM
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louie.mirags
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I was a huge stoner, then joined the navy. Then, became a huge stoner and went to college. Then, got a job, now I smoke once a day. It is all going to be ok. If people are going to fail, it has little to do with pot. They are just destined to be failures. If anything, blame the TV with a recliner in front of it, not the pot.
Sep 12 2014 10:59AM
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vibecheck
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Bump
Aug 27 2020 5:56PM
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ronders_
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Moderation is key as well as not smoking indicas that straight shlump you. Also getting your work done before you get baked. Part of the reason for the numbers in this study may be that weed kinda strips away the facade of life and everything making sense, it exposes uncomfortable things and forces you to think about it. You can go two ways. One: Nothing matters, I don’t give a shit about anything, fuck school death is coming either way and society is a bullshit construct or... Two: Nothing matters, you decide what matters to you and live your life as if it were a video game with only one life, you can really have fun with it. I’d rather go with the latter.
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