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MartianManYeah, but it seems kind of silly to make two skis that are so similar.
Blend:
100mm waist
Soft Flex
Twin Early Rise
Sir Francis Bacon:
104mm waist
Soft Flex
Twin Early Rise
The only real difference is the balsa flax core.
You're talking about Faction, right?
I've heard before that pollard doesn't have much input or ride the SFB that much, if you watch the new nimbus videos on their insta it seems he rides the mordecai inbounds
I'm curious how the new SFB skis, the current model sets the standard for surfy, poppy, all mountain twin for me
CamembertSo Salomon comes with the same tech binding we have seen in the Backland video but with blue colors? Interesting thing that they made a more freeride orientated boot for a basic tech touring binding.. Or does the Salomon boot also fits in the Guardian/Tracker? (The Atomic Backland doesnt..)
That's correct. I'm not 100% sure color they decided on, but just like Guardian/Tracker, STH2, and Warden we both have the same binding coming out but in different colors/branding. And their boot is within the Touring Norm so it works with both pin & frame bindings.
onenerdykidYou think there are joeys in the USA, come to Europe and watch the truly average skier from Holland try to walk in their normal alpine boots. They really do struggle.
I can vouch for the general inability of Dutch skiers being able to do anything at all, give them some slack though, they have no concept of hills and snow is an alien concept that arrives once a year. They also think their ordinary plushy Nickelson jackets are waterproof, ignorant laughable fools.
Well on my account, I posted the 2015/2016 Line Skis, and later I will be posting the lines for Faction, and Full Tilt later on tonight, and tomorrow morning. Below is the link for the 2015/2016 Line Skis.
also he has some black pivots on them, the don't look like this years fks maybe black pivot next year? probably wrong or missing something but oh well
Can anybody explain why Mike might have a set of FKS/Pivots mounted up? Even though he's sponsored by Atomic, and they clearly provide him with bindings, is this just an athlete's preferred choice?
NinetyFourCan anybody explain why Mike might have a set of FKS/Pivots mounted up? Even though he's sponsored by Atomic, and they clearly provide him with bindings, is this just an athlete's preferred choice?
bindings seem to be one of those things that's super personal and if an athlete really feels comfortable on a certain binding they won't ski any other kind. The same thing happens with seth morrison- part of the jardin family but will only ski Salomon bindings still.
NinetyFourCan anybody explain why Mike might have a set of FKS/Pivots mounted up? Even though he's sponsored by Atomic, and they clearly provide him with bindings, is this just an athlete's preferred choice?
Spartabindings seem to be one of those things that's super personal and if an athlete really feels comfortable on a certain binding they won't ski any other kind. The same thing happens with seth morrison- part of the jardin family but will only ski Salomon bindings still.
Also, my guess is that those are the pipe version of the Punx that Atomic makes for their pipe athletes. If you look at the bindings of pipe skiers: David Wise, TYW, etc, you will see that almost all of them use FKS/Pivots. I thick the elasticity of the binding works better for pipe landings, but honestly I have no idea, it is just a trend you see in that discipline.
MartianManAlso, my guess is that those are the pipe version of the Punx that Atomic makes for their pipe athletes. If you look at the bindings of pipe skiers: David Wise, TYW, etc, you will see that almost all of them use FKS/Pivots. I thick the elasticity of the binding works better for pipe landings, but honestly I have no idea, it is just a trend you see in that discipline.
I'd have to look at the numbers but I'm quite sure TomPietrowski and Onenerdykid have both mentioned that the STH2 has more elastic travel in the toe and heel than the FKS/Pivots do. If it is a mind thing for an athlete though and that gives them the edge they need, then I can't blame em.
Does anybody know what happened to the sole blocks with toe and heel tech inserts that Salomon offered? They're up on Salomon's website right now underneath the accessories page but it doesn't seem like they're available for purchase anywhere...
NinetyFourI'd have to look at the numbers but I'm quite sure TomPietrowski and Onenerdykid have both mentioned that the STH2 has more elastic travel in the toe and heel than the FKS/Pivots do. If it is a mind thing for an athlete though and that gives them the edge they need, then I can't blame em.
the toe on the sth2 has more elasticity than the toe of the single pivot look toe. When combined with the turntable heel however, you have a more elastic horizontal release out of the toe in the pivot/fks. The turntable heel remains more elastic for vertical release than the STH2 heel.
The Pivot heel also alows the ski to flex more naturally, and is less prone to shear releases (horizontal release out of the heel) both of which are crucial in pipe skiing. The P18 remains the best binding ever made for anything other than gate chasing.
You see the same thing in racing. A current Atomic WC athlete is using marker bindings.A dynastar/lange athlete is using atomics.
"Tour1 Highlights Include An ultra-light backcountry specific touring construction. An increased emphasis on weight savings for the ascent. A reduced emphasis on inbound dampness. A priority to maintain the classic DPS on-snow feel and performance for the descent. Available in DPS' award-winning shapes: Cassiar 95, Wailer 99, and Wailer 112RP.2 $1050 USD for each respective Tour1 model."
those are next years after bangs...pizza box on the top pizza on the bottom...if anyone wants pm for the entire 2016 ft and line product...just a heads up there is more dropkick, wallisch, b and e or booter
What's the deal with the Mordecai and SFB getting cloud core? Isnt that going to get rid of the maple, and make them worse in crud? Like how the new rossi 7 series is lighter, ya they're also stiffer, but they get thrown around a bit more in crud.. I have never skied the opus, but i read how everyone loves it, it just wasnt the most stable in crud. Line should have put that stardust core in the sick day, and made the mordecai 112 underfoot, the same weight, and a tad stiffer. Ultimate versatile all mountain/pow, making the jj, patron or shreditor 112 obsolete. I bet a lot of skiers would buy a thinner version of the opus, with the supernatural materials and flex. I would, in a heartbeat. Id pay fr0ggen retail, and I never do that.
Maybe just speculation, and I can eat my words when people start skiing them, and they are in fact better in crud. I hope im wrong, and that happens. But my buddy told me how a guy was ripping around on them in jackson hole today, and they were getting thrown around a bunch.
ski-hippieI heard a rumor that oakley is making helmets
Oakley has tried making helmets before a couple of years back and they looked like absolute shot kinda like those electric motorbike helmets. Maybe they will be a bit better this time round, don't have my hopes up though.
PentHausWhat's the deal with the Mordecai and SFB getting cloud core? Isnt that going to get rid of the maple, and make them worse in crud? Like how the new rossi 7 series is lighter, ya they're also stiffer, but they get thrown around a bit more in crud.. I have never skied the opus, but i read how everyone loves it, it just wasnt the most stable in crud. Line should have put that stardust core in the sick day, and made the mordecai 112 underfoot, the same weight, and a tad stiffer. Ultimate versatile all mountain/pow, making the jj, patron or shreditor 112 obsolete. I bet a lot of skiers would buy a thinner version of the opus, with the supernatural materials and flex. I would, in a heartbeat. Id pay fr0ggen retail, and I never do that.
Maybe just speculation, and I can eat my words when people start skiing them, and they are in fact better in crud. I hope im wrong, and that happens. But my buddy told me how a guy was ripping around on them in jackson hole today, and they were getting thrown around a bunch.
Maybe they don't want to make the best all-around ski? Part of what draws me, and probably others to pollards skis are how they are softer/lighter/more playful than a other competing skis. I don't want a ski that excels in crud. That isn't what I want to ski. And to be honest, the current bacon does just fine in crud for how well it performs in other areas.
I'm never a fan of the jack of all trades, master of none when it comes to skis.
Ok, so maybe someone knows this or can figure it out.. On the heel piece there is this black part, in this top right picture it is under the yellow lever..
You can see it better in the atomic video or the picture bellow..the red arrows point at it :)
It rotates just like the pins when in skin mode, unlike the yellow lever that doesnt rotate..
Q: what does that black part do / where is it for?
CamembertOk, so maybe someone knows this or can figure it out.. On the heel piece there is this black part, in this top right picture it is under the yellow lever..
You can see it better in the atomic video or the picture bellow..the red arrows point at it :)
It rotates just like the pins when in skin mode, unlike the yellow lever that doesnt rotate..
Q: what does that black part do / where is it for?
I'm thinking it rotates 360° and rotates with the pins. Black lever back/pins forward is ski mode. Black lever and pins to either side is flat tour mode. Black lever forward/pins back is the first heel riser, flip the stationary part down onto that for the second heel riser.
Just guesses but that's how I can see it functioning.
NinetyFourI'm thinking it rotates 360° and rotates with the pins. Black lever back/pins forward is ski mode. Black lever and pins to either side is flat tour mode. Black lever forward/pins back is the first heel riser, flip the stationary part down onto that for the second heel riser.
Just guesses but that's how I can see it functioning.
Hmm that would make a very small difference in angle / height..
No Offense to Saga, but that is the ugliest jacket I have ever seen.looks like my grandmothers curtains.but I am sure there are people out there who would love this.
I_liketobutterMaybe they don't want to make the best all-around ski? Part of what draws me, and probably others to pollards skis are how they are softer/lighter/more playful than a other competing skis. I don't want a ski that excels in crud. That isn't what I want to ski. And to be honest, the current bacon does just fine in crud for how well it performs in other areas.
I'm never a fan of the jack of all trades, master of none when it comes to skis.
I understand, but that doesnt work in Jackson Hole.. it gets super cruddy here, and skiing top to bottom off piste is horrible on a soft, light ski.. why line makes the mordecai just a powder, groomer ski is beyond me. I mean they thinned it out, so it seems like they want to make it more versatile, but lightening it up contradicts that.
CamembertHmm that would make a very small difference in angle / height..
Yeah, my only reasoning behind that was that it looks like it would rotate right around and fall into place as a heel riser. But you're right that the second one wouldn't make for a drastic heel rise over the first. I guess we'll have to wait and see?
PentHausI understand, but that doesnt work in Jackson Hole.. it gets super cruddy here, and skiing top to bottom off piste is horrible on a soft, light ski.. why line makes the mordecai just a powder, groomer ski is beyond me. I mean they thinned it out, so it seems like they want to make it more versatile, but lightening it up contradicts that.
They're just following market trends, everyone is lightening their stuff up. Someone at line gets paid to say if we advertise the core is lighter we will sell x amount of skis more. My first thought was that lightweight was supposed to be the sick days. Faction seems to be doing great though with Candide's pro models featuring the lighter cores, they get recommended all the time here.
True. Its all for the average consumer. I just wish theyd make a supernatural opus, 112 underfoot, limited production. That would be such and awesome ski.
Atomic made this years bentchetlers thinner, while also stiffer and a actually a little heavier. Not to mention added HRZNtech, the spoon shaped tip. They really stepped up their bent chetler game this year, at least in my book. They rip everywhere for their size.
PentHausTrue. Its all for the average consumer. I just wish theyd make a supernatural opus, 112 underfoot, limited production. That would be such and awesome ski.
Check out the Faction 3.Zero. Pretty similar to what you are looking for. They truck like a mofo through crud.
