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What has ski gabber become and what the hell is the trick forum?

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brov1
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what the hell counts as ski gabbing. over the past month a bunch of my post have been move to this new "tricks" forum but i have no idea why. the "trick" forum is actually the trick tip forum so why do threads like what trick would you want to die doing and such get moved. i am not asking for help with a trick or trying to find out what type of trick i am doing, i am trying to spark a conversation about skiing aka ski gabbing. also i am pretty sure no one goes to the trick forum to look for interesting topic so if i want to have my thread, about skiing, be seen for the sake of conversation than why can't i post it in NS's most popular SKI forum?

so the question stands.
what counts as ski gabbing and what is the actual point of the trick forum?
Jun 16 2014 1:23PM
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.FRY.
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since the trick tip forum doesn't have much popularity i think the mods are just trying to fill it with content. nobody makes trick tip forums so threads have to be placed there manually
Jun 16 2014 3:52PM
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BWalmer
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Last time I checked (about 5 seconds ago) the forum is called "Tricks & Trick Tips", therefore your argument is invalid.
Jun 16 2014 9:52PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Well what do you guys like? Do you like it when topics are more contained in a forum, or do you prefer it when things are all mashed together?

When they're mashed together its a lot harder to find stuff. When they're separate each forum is less busy.
Jun 17 2014 8:59AM
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Miomo
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Mr.BishopWell what do you guys like? Do you like it when topics are more contained in a forum, or do you prefer it when things are all mashed together?

When they're mashed together its a lot harder to find stuff. When they're separate each forum is less busy.

I say mash EVERYTHING together, and then have buttons at the top to filter. Then be able to set default.
Jun 17 2014 12:26PM
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freestyler540
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How about a "all forum" forum that will mash all the threads in all the forum section.

I prefer keeping it organized. It keeps NSG /b/ crap out of SG. Also, people post here a lot; say you have 3 thread you want to answer, you have to create 3 tabs because if you refresh, the topic may end up on page 2.
Jun 17 2014 2:57PM
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00000000
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Totally see what you're coming from -- but note that I alone move a good 10-15 threads out of SG daily. All of them to some extent can be considered "Ski Gabber" (trick tips, regional talk, gear discussions, BST, trick tip help, media stuff), but get moved because the same thread is already created in their proper forum.

The ability to WATCH cult and regionals (and hopefully, more forums in the future) will allow you to keep tabs on your favourite forums, even if they aren't the most active. Look at them as super awesome information databases as well.
Jun 17 2014 3:39PM
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a_burger
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the problem is when threads get moved somewhere else (aside from the bigger subforums like gear talk and M&A) discussion usually just dies completely.
Jun 17 2014 6:03PM
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brov1
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Wskierthe problem is when threads get moved somewhere else (aside from the bigger subforums like gear talk and M&A) discussion usually just dies completely.


this one hundred percent.

but that being said i like the idea of ski gabber and all the forums we have no but i do not think the guidelines for which thread goes in which forum should be so strictly enforced.
here is what i think they should be.
ski gabber: CONVERSATION about anything related to skiing as a sport (not gear or trick advice)
non-ski gabber: ANYTHING non skiing
gear talk: conversation, advice, or just plain random stuff about ski gear
sell and trade: the same as it always has been
site discussion: the same as it is now
media: anything related to media/ arts. skiing or not skiing
buy: i get why it exists but i think it should just be part of sell and trade
regional: i think this is not only good how it is but a great idea and is well run over all
tricks and trick tips: any questions pertaining to the completion or improvement of tricks. i.e. not conversation but topics and questions specifically about the tricks themselves such as, "what trick is this", "how do i better _____ trick" and "how do i begin learning ____ trick"
Jun 17 2014 6:32PM
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.Hugo.
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MousseauTotally see what you're coming from -- but note that I alone move a good 10-15 threads out of SG daily. All of them to some extent can be considered "Ski Gabber" (trick tips, regional talk, gear discussions, BST, trick tip help, media stuff), but get moved because the same thread is already created in their proper forum.

The ability to WATCH cult and regionals (and hopefully, more forums in the future) will allow you to keep tabs on your favourite forums, even if they aren't the most active. Look at them as super awesome information databases as well.



if I have watch on in say a regional forum, will a thread that you moved from ski gabber to there appear in my threads? Or is it only newly created threads?
Jun 17 2014 10:39PM
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steezyjibber
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Mr.BishopWell what do you guys like? Do you like it when topics are more contained in a forum, or do you prefer it when things are all mashed together?

When they're mashed together its a lot harder to find stuff. When they're separate each forum is less busy.


The business is why I love the NS forums. Because they're almost always really active. Fast answers, lots of answers, etc. etc.
Jun 19 2014 8:59AM
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steezyjibber
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^Guess "busyness" is the word I'm looking for?
Jun 19 2014 8:59AM
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Mr.Bishop
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Hey guys -

So we're actually going to consider the forum separation a failed mission, and re-merge in most of the subforums.

I think that its better to have a more all-encompasing discussion about skiing in Ski Gabber, and if we're going to do something we need to fix the search, not separate.

Thanks for your patience!
Jun 24 2014 12:09PM
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.FRY.
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it's already gone
Jun 24 2014 2:41PM
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Mr.Bishop
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.FRY.it's already gone


BANISHED.

Great idea, but I think that modern internet users prefer more consolidated feeds and that is simply a reality of the times. We need to get archives done in a different fashion - and as well look at what (if any) splits to the forums really make sense.
Jun 24 2014 5:03PM
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MLJ
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Mr.BishopBANISHED.

Great idea, but I think that modern internet users prefer more consolidated feeds and that is simply a reality of the times. We need to get archives done in a different fashion - and as well look at what (if any) splits to the forums really make sense.


NOoooooo bring it back! It may not have been the most used forum, but the 20 or so people who checked it made it a really valuable resource. Now those threads will just die in SG as noone will give a fuck about them.

Just my 0.02
Jun 24 2014 7:09PM
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.Rybak.
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Mr.BishopBANISHED.

Great idea, but I think that modern internet users prefer more consolidated feeds and that is simply a reality of the times. We need to get archives done in a different fashion - and as well look at what (if any) splits to the forums really make sense.


I have an idea for separating with the search bar.

Would it be possible when you make a thread to like click on what category it would be in? Like instead of having all of those separate forums you make the thread and ski gabber and if it would have been in Road to Recovery you would just click that it would go into that category so when you search for threads only those would come up.

No clue if that makes any sense but i think you get it.
Jun 24 2014 8:02PM
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Miomo
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ThurnisHaleyI have an idea for separating with the search bar.

Would it be possible when you make a thread to like click on what category it would be in? Like instead of having all of those separate forums you make the thread and ski gabber and if it would have been in Road to Recovery you would just click that it would go into that category so when you search for threads only those would come up.

No clue if that makes any sense but i think you get it.


Kind of like what I said before? Where there's like check boxes, and you can sort and filter the threads shown?
Jun 24 2014 9:08PM
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.Rybak.
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MiomoKind of like what I said before? Where there's like check boxes, and you can sort and filter the threads shown?


Exactly.
Jun 24 2014 9:13PM
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.FRY.
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it was starting to grow on me too. I wish more people had used it. it was a good idea
Jun 24 2014 10:00PM
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Mr.Bishop
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ThurnisHaleyI have an idea for separating with the search bar.

Would it be possible when you make a thread to like click on what category it would be in? Like instead of having all of those separate forums you make the thread and ski gabber and if it would have been in Road to Recovery you would just click that it would go into that category so when you search for threads only those would come up.

No clue if that makes any sense but i think you get it.


This is exactly how we need to handle this. That way, it allows for one view but a different forum experience if you want it.

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Sorry man. :( These threads should still do pretty good in SG though no?
Jun 24 2014 11:47PM
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razors-chaz
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Mr.BishopThis is exactly how we need to handle this. That way, it allows for one view but a different forum experience if you want it.



Sorry man. :( These threads should still do pretty good in SG though no?


I really liked having the separated ski building sub forum, the minimal traffic was better as it kept it to reasonable, vaguely intelligent conversation and now piling those type of threads back into ski gabber i feel it will be at a detriment esp with it being summer. I understand that people interested will still see and seek out the threads but having a dedicated space allows a more inviting atmosphere for people trying to get interested/float ideas without being bothered by trolls or people posting random shit in the thread just to pass the time of day. I suppose I will just stick to the official thread. If a cult was created for it would it be possible to move the threads that were in the sub forum there and notify/add the contributing members?
Jun 25 2014 7:14AM
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NinetyFour
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I like the re-organization of things, SB&T had a lot of overlap with GT, and the traffic was super low in SB&T. I think Chaz, if we move the thread:

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/651776/Official-Ski-Pressing-Shaping-Building-Constructing-Thread

Into GT it will still see pretty intelligible conversation. Soooo could a green or a red please move that to Gear Talk? Thanks!
Jun 25 2014 11:20AM
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razors-chaz
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NinetyFourI like the re-organization of things, SB&T had a lot of overlap with GT, and the traffic was super low in SB&T. I think Chaz, if we move the thread:

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/651776/Official-Ski-Pressing-Shaping-Building-Constructing-Thread

Into GT it will still see pretty intelligible conversation. Soooo could a green or a red please move that to Gear Talk? Thanks!

I can't really argue with that. I do remember when the thread first came to and was in SG for the increased viewing but I do think now the viewing through GT is more appropriate. Just need to weed out the Full tilt threads and opinions on cotton hoodies threads
Jun 25 2014 11:36AM
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MLJ
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razors-chazI really liked having the separated ski building sub forum, the minimal traffic was better as it kept it to reasonable, vaguely intelligent conversation and now piling those type of threads back into ski gabber i feel it will be at a detriment esp with it being summer. I understand that people interested will still see and seek out the threads but having a dedicated space allows a more inviting atmosphere for people trying to get interested/float ideas without being bothered by trolls or people posting random shit in the thread just to pass the time of day. I suppose I will just stick to the official thread. If a cult was created for it would it be possible to move the threads that were in the sub forum there and notify/add the contributing members?


This, I feel as though having it in a subforum, while getting less activity it was still populated by useful people ( like SDrvper and .FRY. as above) who would actually help, without 80% of the bitching and trolling that is in NSG and even to some extent SG. These smaller, more specific sub forums are not targeted by trolls because of the lack of traffic.

Not trying to be a bitch, just laying out my opinion.
Jun 25 2014 5:21PM
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