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Alpha X vs ON3P kartel 98

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shin-bang
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i cant decide which skis would be better for me, im 6'1 160 lbs, i ski aggressively all over the mountain. i want a ski that is super durable as i will be hitting lots of rails and boxes. but i also need it to perform well when sending big jumps, and at high speeds. has anyone ridden either of these skis? which ever ski i get will be mounted with rossi fks 140s. good answers = K++++
Jun 8 2014 12:41PM
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MartianMan
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Both good choices, but differ slightly. My assumption is that the Kartel is a tad softer than the Alpha, but also more durable due to thicker edges and bases. It is hard to break ON3P's, but Armadas durability is pretty good as well. Both skis would be more comfortable hitting rails and boxes instead of jumps, but my guess is the Alpha will be a tiny bit better on jumps considering it is skinnier and stiffer. The Kartel will be better at high speeds, due to its longer turning radius.
Jun 8 2014 8:30PM
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robotdna
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MartianManBoth good choices, but differ slightly. My assumption is that the Kartel is a tad softer than the Alpha, but also more durable due to thicker edges and bases. It is hard to break ON3P's, but Armadas durability is pretty good as well. Both skis would be more comfortable hitting rails and boxes instead of jumps, but my guess is the Alpha will be a tiny bit better on jumps considering it is skinnier and stiffer. The Kartel will be better at high speeds, due to its longer turning radius.


OP, choose ON3P. Literally can't go wrong. I love mine and can't go back.

MartianMan, longer radius doesn't necessarily mean more stable at speed. Usually it does. But I'm way more comfortable on my Head I.SL RD 165cm slalom skis(13m) than my Rossi jib skis that are 170(much larger than 13m, I've forgotten). I think it also depends on camber and rocker. I believe the Kartel has more rocker than the Alpha X, so it will do better all-mountain.

OP, is this going to be a park dedicated ski or an all mountain ski? Also the thicker edges on the Kartels will treat you better on rails. The Kartel will be better at landing things due to the width. I've found that a fatter ski handles better on landings, to a point. I mean, you don't see Pillowfights or Hellbents at big air events. But they feel sturdy when landing.


Anyway, just my two cents. Read some reviews. See what others have to say.
Jun 8 2014 10:04PM
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MartianMan
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robotdnaMartianMan, longer radius doesn't necessarily mean more stable at speed. Usually it does. But I'm way more comfortable on my Head I.SL RD 165cm slalom skis(13m) than my Rossi jib skis that are 170(much larger than 13m, I've forgotten). I think it also depends on camber and rocker. I believe the Kartel has more rocker than the Alpha X, so it will do better all-mountain.


Yeah I agree with you. I've gotten my own Volkl racetiger speedwall SL 165, also w a 13 m turn radius, to 67 mph. Race skis are just generally more stable, due to all the metal in the construction. But when comparing these two park skis, the ON3P will be much better at higher speeds. I have heard a lot of complains about the Alpha and Halo squirreling out when they go fast. The taper makes it harder as well, along with the short radius.
Jun 8 2014 10:13PM
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robotdna
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MartianManYeah I agree with you. I've gotten my own Volkl racetiger speedwall SL 165, also w a 13 m turn radius, to 67 mph. Race skis are just generally more stable, due to all the metal in the construction. But when comparing these two park skis, the ON3P will be much better at higher speeds. I have heard a lot of complains about the Alpha and Halo squirreling out when they go fast. The taper makes it harder as well, along with the short radius.



I forgot to mention this, but I have a friend that had his Alpha Xs get destroyed pretty fast to rocks. I was following him, and my Goats were fine at the time. Go ON3P. Follow suit OP. Join the OMG3P hype train.

I love slalom skis so much, especially out of the course. Just feeling those G forces....oh my god.
Jun 8 2014 10:18PM
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.lencon
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If go on3p since they have 2.5x2.5 edges...and also they have more rocker and a tad fatter so better all mtn...also I've already told you this dude
Jun 8 2014 10:40PM
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shin-bang
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robotdnaI forgot to mention this, but I have a friend that had his Alpha Xs get destroyed pretty fast to rocks. I was following him, and my Goats were fine at the time. Go ON3P. Follow suit OP. Join the OMG3P hype train.

I love slalom skis so much, especially out of the course. Just feeling those G forces....oh my god.


i plan on getting the kartel 98, how durable are the topsheets on on3p skis? arent they sandwich/ sidewall construction type skis?
Jun 9 2014 1:16AM
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esotericjive
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ski_da_powi plan on getting the kartel 98, how durable are the topsheets on on3p skis? arent they sandwich/ sidewall construction type skis?


Shits durable as fuck.
Jun 9 2014 8:14AM
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tomPietrowski
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ski_da_powi plan on getting the kartel 98, how durable are the topsheets on on3p skis? arent they sandwich/ sidewall construction type skis?


Well they are a full sidewall ski and as such you will find that the top sheet chips pretty easy but it does not do any damage. Mine are pretty chipped up but no damage ha been done to the ski at all so it's just cosmetic.
Jun 9 2014 10:14AM
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robotdna
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ski_da_powi plan on getting the kartel 98, how durable are the topsheets on on3p skis? arent they sandwich/ sidewall construction type skis?


I actually haven't had anything bad happen. Just normal wear and tear.
Jun 9 2014 12:51PM
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shin-bang
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alright, thanks a ton dudes k++++
Jun 9 2014 1:12PM
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yungsteeze
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bump im torn between these two and id like some more feedback
Sep 26 2014 6:49PM
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.lencon
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yungsteezebump im torn between these two and id like some more feedback


You're gonna have to give more info in what you like and info about yourself to help you. Like ability, likes/dislikes, height weight, all that good stuff:)
Sep 26 2014 7:27PM
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yungsteeze
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.LincolnYou're gonna have to give more info in what you like and info about yourself to help you. Like ability, likes/dislikes, height weight, all that good stuff:)


6 feet, 170 pounds, advanced. skiing park, urban, all mountain and maybe some powder.
Sep 26 2014 7:49PM
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Negromancer
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yungsteeze6 feet, 170 pounds, advanced. skiing park, urban, all mountain and maybe some powder.


If you're planning on skiing powder then the Kartel's would be the better option because of the slightly wider waist.

The Armada's also have a 2.5 x 2.5mm edge like the ON3P's I'm not sure how thick Armada's Comp Base is but the S7 Base you get on AR7's, Thall's etc is very durable.
Sep 26 2014 8:18PM
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.lencon
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yungsteeze6 feet, 170 pounds, advanced. skiing park, urban, all mountain and maybe some powder.


Well the ON3P are gonna hold up a lil better, especially in urban. Also that pow you might come across will be handled better with the ON3P because of the slightly extra width and more rocker. I'd say if you looking alpha x or kartels go kartels. Don't get me wrong, alphas a great ski, but the kartels seem like the ski you want. Also check out batalla all Mtn twins and park reapers.
Sep 26 2014 8:20PM
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yungsteeze
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thanks for the input dudes
Sep 26 2014 8:29PM
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Scotty_Boy
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I thought OP bought RayzrBlaydz?
Sep 26 2014 11:46PM
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steezy_doge
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get the kartels if you haven't already decided they are sweet and super durable on3p is great also great customer service
Sep 27 2014 12:10AM
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RudyGarmisch
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NegromancerThe Armada's also have a 2.5 x 2.5mm edge like the ON3P's I'm not sure how thick Armada's Comp Base is but the S7 Base you get on AR7's, Thall's etc is very durable.


Very different edges on the two skis:

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/767558/Edges----help-me-through-the-bullshit--1-7mm-2-2mm-2-5mm-----Thickness-Width--who-uses-what-

Bases are different thickness for sure, different material too I think.
Sep 27 2014 7:18PM
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Negromancer
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DarthVaderVery different edges on the two skis:

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/767558/Edges----help-me-through-the-bullshit--1-7mm-2-2mm-2-5mm-----Thickness-Width--who-uses-what-

Bases are different thickness for sure, different material too I think.


Thanks for letting me know, really interesting thread to read.

I sort of thought the edges on my AR7's weren't 2.5x2.5mm because a while back I asked about the edges on Amplid Provokes and Amplid said they were 2mm (width) and 2.5mm (depth). When I compared the edges on the AR7's to the Provokes they were identical but I never bothered to actually measure them so I just assumed they were 2.5x2.5 anyway.
Sep 27 2014 8:42PM
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