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Post reasons for not wanting to live in or near Seattle and I will shoot them down because Seattle is fucking awesome and everyone should be jealous of the people that live there.
The minimum wage law won't stand up in court because it is so backasswards. Also dumb and will move jobs out of the area, and make Seattle prohibitively expensive.
Our current mayor got elected because he was gay and not the previous mayor. Our previous mayor got elected because he rode a bike and was not the mayor before him. All three have been incompetent and harmful to the city.
We have an elected socialist in our city council who effectively thinks 2-1=3. She needs a square 1-2 to the face and overies.
We are paying for the worlds most expensive tunneling machine to do nothing under our city for several months while traffic is fucked above it.
We have people who want to pay several hundred million in taxes to build a stadium for a basketball team when no one went to the games when we had an NBA team.
We decided to nix the directional express lanes on I-90 for an expensive and inefficient light rail system.
We nixed the most popular and efficient bus lines in order to force people to use a shitty, expensive, and slow light rail system.
We turned down SouthWest's offer to pay to have I-5 and sr99 updated, widened and rebuilt, while also paying for a new airport terminal and the light rail installation. They were going to dump over $1b into the city and area and our politics told them to fuck off.
The politics in this city are more broke than the Icelandic national bank.
All you need to get elected in Seattle is be different, special, and stupid, common sense is not preferred.
The area is great but it's populated with arrogant cunts.
cobra_commanderThe area is great but it's populated with arrogant cunts.
All the yogis and photography nerds are what drove me away from Washington in the first place, but I've since found that the religious sport fanatics in Utah are equally as bad (if not worse) - and there's still an abundance of yogis and photography nerds in SLC.
I'm looking for a sensible middle ground (a bad word, I know, considering I'm in America) with the perks of the NW Washington landscape. Some place that isn't retarded enough to raise the minimum wage to $15. Suggestions?
lIllIAll the yogis and photography nerds are what drove me away from Washington in the first place, but I've since found that the religious sport fanatics in Utah are equally as bad (if not worse) - and there's still an abundance of yogis and photography nerds in SLC.
I'm looking for a sensible middle ground (a bad word, I know, considering I'm in America) with the perks of the NW Washington landscape. Some place that isn't retarded enough to raise the minimum wage to $15. Suggestions?
Snohomish, Covington, Arlington all in occupied WA.
I really like Wenatchee, it is on the other side of the mountains in free WA, however.
lIllIAll the yogis and photography nerds are what drove me away from Washington in the first place, but I've since found that the religious sport fanatics in Utah are equally as bad (if not worse) - and there's still an abundance of yogis and photography nerds in SLC.
I'm looking for a sensible middle ground (a bad word, I know, considering I'm in America) with the perks of the NW Washington landscape. Some place that isn't retarded enough to raise the minimum wage to $15. Suggestions?
Anywhere in western Washington that isn't Seattle. The $15/hour minimum wage would never have made it to a vote outside of Seattle city limits.
I'm out on the eastside and far prefer it over being in the city. More mountain views and less people.
cobra_commanderSnohomish, Covington, Arlington all in occupied WA.
I really like Wenatchee, it is on the other side of the mountains in free WA, however.
The Seahawks would sell out the Kingdome in the 90s. Your argument is invalid.
There are reasons to live in places other than Seattle. For example the reasons to live in Boston or Montral is so you are not the loudest obnoxious cunt on the block.
Thizzle.You must have never been in a big city lol...
It's a lot nicer in most areas than like NYC or LA, but just like every major urban area it has low income areas that you would do well to stay away from after dark.
I can honestly say that I would walk anywhere in SLC at night by myself (granted its not a massive city, but the point remains)
Anyone who has watched a full season of "The Killing" will stay hundreds of miles away from Seattle. If you love living in gray drizzle all the time, and obnoxious yuppy white people, you'll love Seattle.
BandoleroAnyone who has watched a full season of "The Killing" will stay hundreds of miles away from Seattle. If you love living in gray drizzle all the time, and obnoxious yuppy white people, you'll love Seattle.
yea that show is a 100% correct representation of seattle
ChillTeenDad420yea that show is a 100% correct representation of seattle
I cannot tell if you're being sarcastic or not, if you're not I apologize. But I'd say the show does a good job representing the constant gray and rain that is Seattle for all but 2-3 months of the year.
Seattle is cool.. I'd rather live in PDX any day though.
Reasons:
Slightly sunnier
Slightly warmer
You don't have to pump your own gas
No sales tax
More affordable
Cheaper flights
NBA team (actually this is really just a dig haha)
For the most part they're pretty similar in a lot of ways though.
...but fuck you guys, Sacramento is the tits. We're closer to way sicker skiing, have more diversity, and don't have a volcano that will blow up the city whenever it feels like it. ;)
ChillTeenDad420my least favorite thing about oregon is getting my gas pumped for me. feels so wrong...
The only thing I dislike about it is if the attendant is a lazy ass slow motherfucker when you're in a rush - at which point I just get out and start pumping it and they rush out. If they don't, then fuck them I'm pumping my own gas anyway because I got shit da do and bitches to fuck.. Win.
that said. If it's puking snow out, it's REALLY nice treating a gas station like a Taco Bell - never having to get out of your comfy, warm car.
There have been many days since I moved back down to CA where I miss not having to pump my own gas... There's been many times Ive been disappointed when I remember that not only do I have to get out of the car and do it, but the gas is also 50 cents more per gallon up here in Tahoe than OR.
I completely forgot about the gas pumping thing when I was driving through Oregon. When I stopped for gas I thought the guy standing outside my car was waiting to ask me for money.
I plan my gas station stops to avoid Oregon. Otherwise I get yelled at because the idiots are to slow. imagine a $15 min wage where you need to pay some kid to pump your gas.
mski"Seattle ranks in the top 5 nationally 226 cloudy days per year behind Anchorage, Forks, Astoria and Olympia. It's in the top 20 with 140 days of measurable rain."
Not the worst in the states, but that is quite rough. I would rather live there than other places in the US tho.
Some people like rain. I wouldn't mind all that rain at all, and plan on moving to Seattle post-graduation.
OP what do you know about Belltown? I'd love to move their post-graduation, but I'm a little concerned about the cost of living. Not sure if I could afford it.
cobra_commanderI plan my gas station stops to avoid Oregon. Otherwise I get yelled at because the idiots are to slow. imagine a $15 min wage where you need to pay some kid to pump your gas.
Oregon is not Seattle, sooo... ?
Either way, when slow idiots have yelled at me for pumping my own gas, I always tell them to hurry the fuck up and do their job. What are they going to do? They can't spit in my gas...
That said, most of the time, it's really not an issue. A lot of those folks are pretty quick to your pump.
ObeseBunnySome people like rain. I wouldn't mind all that rain at all, and plan on moving to Seattle post-graduation.
OP what do you know about Belltown? I'd love to move their post-graduation, but I'm a little concerned about the cost of living. Not sure if I could afford it.
I like the rain. I've lived in rainy Oregon. It does get pretty fucking old after a while when you can't ride your bike comfortably or skateboard without screwing up your deck and bearings.
-Wonderful confluence of ocean/city/mountains (bonus=a rainforest called the Hoh) Within 2 hours I can be right along the water, in the Cascades, or grubbing out on wonderful food. Sure that confluence exists elsewhere, but it's still a great feature of Seattle.
-Politics. Call it progressive, call it regressive, call it moronic, call it whatever you want. So far the city and its people seem pretty invested in quality of life and working (clumsily at times, e.g. Commander's pointing out about that giant metal tunneling worm stuck in park) but trying. There just seems to be less apathy than other places I've lived.
-Bikes. We're down with bikes.
-Rain. I like rain. I do miss thunderstorms though, they're a rarity here. But sure we've got clouds but it's not like it's deluging day in and day out and we're all on SSRIs for SAD. Often times it's cloudy in the morning (welcome to a maritime climate) and then it breaks up in the afternoon. Personally, I like to think of people who shy away from adverse weather as "sissies." BTW our summers are usually just buckets upon buckets of sunshine, sorta shifts to a pseudo-mediterranean climate.
-Antisocial/The Seattle Freeze. I've had it happen to me, but I'm not gonna be all butthurt and think about oh dear god this city is just so lonely it hates me and the people are mean! Sack up and live your life, there are lots of cool people. That being said, people are generally really nice here, they just probably don't want to continue that relationship. We're sort of private people here I guess. I dunno I'm still new.
-Hipsters. Sure the PNW has knack for cultivating them but at least the "cooler than thou" vibe has not reached San Francisco levels.
-Cascades/Olympics. Again, super rad ranges with LOTS of terrain.
-Safety. Yea, there's pockets here and there that aren't that great. I've been in WA for a year now and I think I've actually been nervous maybe twice. The city on the whole is pretty calm.
-Sports. Meh, I'm not a huge sports guy but it was awesome to see the city so excited by the Hawks. Was I annoyed with the "SEA -- HAWKS, SEA -- HAWKS" chants outside my window, oh yes, yes I was. But the Sounders are pretty cool too. I wish we had a hockey team over a basketball team, but that's just me.
-Traffic. Sure it exists, sure it can be downright deplorable. This is a universal problem, I haven't found Seattle to be especially or uniquely bad. It's called planning your trip and avoiding problem areas. Just like everywhere else.
-Cost of living. Not bad all in all. There are places, someone mentioned Cap Hill as being $$$. Which is true. But this is not a universal for the city. There are good neighborhoods and pockets that are affordable.
-Police. They suck. Look it up. Power abuse, violence, etc. A lot of problems there. For instance a couple weeks back someone fired a gun (hit/injured no one) while harassing a hot dog vendor. Not a siren was heard.
-Food. Good food, all over. Good sushi, a life altering sandwich at Paseos, even bbq, and ethnic foods are pretty well represented. Expensive? At times sure, but it's not $$$ everywhere by any means. Lots of happy hours too.
-Music. Good god, great hip hop scene and just a conveyer belt of great musicians pretty much every night. A lot of smaller venues with fair prices.
-History/Museums. It is sort of weird (having grown up in New England) to live in a place that doesn't seem to have much a deep rooted history or reverence for the past. There's a lot of "new" here. Museum scene ain't bad, but it ain't great either.
All in all, my view is that this can be a great place to live if you can put up with a few of our quirks. It's a younger city still figuring a lot of things out. But we're big on the outdoors/environment, have a big concern for public transit (convoluted and problematic at times, admittedly yes), people are generally pretty damn nice, good food, and it can be just so dang beautiful.
Dr.DealgoodSo I moved to Seattle. Here's some thoughts:
-Wonderful confluence of ocean/city/mountains (bonus=a rainforest called the Hoh) Within 2 hours I can be right along the water, in the Cascades, or grubbing out on wonderful food. Sure that confluence exists elsewhere, but it's still a great feature of Seattle.
-Politics. Call it progressive, call it regressive, call it moronic, call it whatever you want. So far the city and its people seem pretty invested in quality of life and working (clumsily at times, e.g. Commander's pointing out about that giant metal tunneling worm stuck in park) but trying. There just seems to be less apathy than other places I've lived.
-Bikes. We're down with bikes.
-Rain. I like rain. I do miss thunderstorms though, they're a rarity here. But sure we've got clouds but it's not like it's deluging day in and day out and we're all on SSRIs for SAD. Often times it's cloudy in the morning (welcome to a maritime climate) and then it breaks up in the afternoon. Personally, I like to think of people who shy away from adverse weather as "sissies." BTW our summers are usually just buckets upon buckets of sunshine, sorta shifts to a pseudo-mediterranean climate.
-Antisocial/The Seattle Freeze. I've had it happen to me, but I'm not gonna be all butthurt and think about oh dear god this city is just so lonely it hates me and the people are mean! Sack up and live your life, there are lots of cool people. That being said, people are generally really nice here, they just probably don't want to continue that relationship. We're sort of private people here I guess. I dunno I'm still new.
-Hipsters. Sure the PNW has knack for cultivating them but at least the "cooler than thou" vibe has not reached San Francisco levels.
-Cascades/Olympics. Again, super rad ranges with LOTS of terrain.
-Safety. Yea, there's pockets here and there that aren't that great. I've been in WA for a year now and I think I've actually been nervous maybe twice. The city on the whole is pretty calm.
-Sports. Meh, I'm not a huge sports guy but it was awesome to see the city so excited by the Hawks. Was I annoyed with the "SEA -- HAWKS, SEA -- HAWKS" chants outside my window, oh yes, yes I was. But the Sounders are pretty cool too. I wish we had a hockey team over a basketball team, but that's just me.
-Traffic. Sure it exists, sure it can be downright deplorable. This is a universal problem, I haven't found Seattle to be especially or uniquely bad. It's called planning your trip and avoiding problem areas. Just like everywhere else.
-Cost of living. Not bad all in all. There are places, someone mentioned Cap Hill as being $$$. Which is true. But this is not a universal for the city. There are good neighborhoods and pockets that are affordable.
-Police. They suck. Look it up. Power abuse, violence, etc. A lot of problems there. For instance a couple weeks back someone fired a gun (hit/injured no one) while harassing a hot dog vendor. Not a siren was heard.
-Food. Good food, all over. Good sushi, a life altering sandwich at Paseos, even bbq, and ethnic foods are pretty well represented. Expensive? At times sure, but it's not $$$ everywhere by any means. Lots of happy hours too.
-Music. Good god, great hip hop scene and just a conveyer belt of great musicians pretty much every night. A lot of smaller venues with fair prices.
-History/Museums. It is sort of weird (having grown up in New England) to live in a place that doesn't seem to have much a deep rooted history or reverence for the past. There's a lot of "new" here. Museum scene ain't bad, but it ain't great either.
All in all, my view is that this can be a great place to live if you can put up with a few of our quirks. It's a younger city still figuring a lot of things out. But we're big on the outdoors/environment, have a big concern for public transit (convoluted and problematic at times, admittedly yes), people are generally pretty damn nice, good food, and it can be just so dang beautiful.
I feel like people who live here have a really strong connection to the city. Like we might seem like solo players, but deep down we know most of us are chill people living in Seattle for similar reasons. While people might give you the freeze, we don't have the uppity, bitchy, entitled, rushed people of NY, LA, and most other major eastern cities.
Further on the broken politics and stupid leftists (notice I didn't say liberals or democrats):
Recently was talking with a friend who was a fan of Mayor Murray. A couple of additional points came up about this incompetent oxygen theif:
Prior to being mayor of Seattle he was a state legislator, and the majority leader. As the head democrat in a democrat dominated senate, he let the republican minority run the senate.
Now, as the Democratic mayor, he is letting a junior socialist council member run the city.
It amazes me that democrats voted for this incompetent political weakling. The fact that he was made the majority leader speaks volumes to the ineptitude of the local democrats in a state that has not voted for a republican president since Regan, on account of the Seattle vote.
As for our new socialist cunt, following the city enacting a $15/hr min wage, she decided to verbally attack her fellow council embers as being lackies for the big businesses. The final $15/hr law will likely die in court as well since it was so poorly written in an attempt to single out 'big businesses.'
Despite having spent the last 15 years pissing off the local democrats, and commuting campaign fraud, Tim Eymen is still a political force.
We have not gotten to the ever revolving issue that is the Seattle school district.
The real problem with the local government is not that they are overly progressive, or anything like that. No, the problem is that they are utterly weak and incompetent, and have been for as long as I have been paying attention.
As others have mentioned the local government has been unable to do anything with the highly problematic SPD, despite making them one of the highest paid police forces in the nation.
The weather is great today with some scattered clouds and views of puget sound and two mountain ranges. Highs in the mid 70s, with low humidity. Take that rest of the country.
Dr.DealgoodSo I moved to Seattle. Here's some thoughts:
-Wonderful confluence of ocean/city/mountains (bonus=a rainforest called the Hoh) Within 2 hours I can be right along the water, in the Cascades, or grubbing out on wonderful food. Sure that confluence exists elsewhere, but it's still a great feature of Seattle.
-Politics. Call it progressive, call it regressive, call it moronic, call it whatever you want. So far the city and its people seem pretty invested in quality of life and working (clumsily at times, e.g. Commander's pointing out about that giant metal tunneling worm stuck in park) but trying. There just seems to be less apathy than other places I've lived.
-Bikes. We're down with bikes.
-Rain. I like rain. I do miss thunderstorms though, they're a rarity here. But sure we've got clouds but it's not like it's deluging day in and day out and we're all on SSRIs for SAD. Often times it's cloudy in the morning (welcome to a maritime climate) and then it breaks up in the afternoon. Personally, I like to think of people who shy away from adverse weather as "sissies." BTW our summers are usually just buckets upon buckets of sunshine, sorta shifts to a pseudo-mediterranean climate.
-Antisocial/The Seattle Freeze. I've had it happen to me, but I'm not gonna be all butthurt and think about oh dear god this city is just so lonely it hates me and the people are mean! Sack up and live your life, there are lots of cool people. That being said, people are generally really nice here, they just probably don't want to continue that relationship. We're sort of private people here I guess. I dunno I'm still new.
-Hipsters. Sure the PNW has knack for cultivating them but at least the "cooler than thou" vibe has not reached San Francisco levels.
-Cascades/Olympics. Again, super rad ranges with LOTS of terrain.
-Safety. Yea, there's pockets here and there that aren't that great. I've been in WA for a year now and I think I've actually been nervous maybe twice. The city on the whole is pretty calm.
-Sports. Meh, I'm not a huge sports guy but it was awesome to see the city so excited by the Hawks. Was I annoyed with the "SEA -- HAWKS, SEA -- HAWKS" chants outside my window, oh yes, yes I was. But the Sounders are pretty cool too. I wish we had a hockey team over a basketball team, but that's just me.
-Traffic. Sure it exists, sure it can be downright deplorable. This is a universal problem, I haven't found Seattle to be especially or uniquely bad. It's called planning your trip and avoiding problem areas. Just like everywhere else.
-Cost of living. Not bad all in all. There are places, someone mentioned Cap Hill as being $$$. Which is true. But this is not a universal for the city. There are good neighborhoods and pockets that are affordable.
-Police. They suck. Look it up. Power abuse, violence, etc. A lot of problems there. For instance a couple weeks back someone fired a gun (hit/injured no one) while harassing a hot dog vendor. Not a siren was heard.
-Food. Good food, all over. Good sushi, a life altering sandwich at Paseos, even bbq, and ethnic foods are pretty well represented. Expensive? At times sure, but it's not $$$ everywhere by any means. Lots of happy hours too.
-Music. Good god, great hip hop scene and just a conveyer belt of great musicians pretty much every night. A lot of smaller venues with fair prices.
-History/Museums. It is sort of weird (having grown up in New England) to live in a place that doesn't seem to have much a deep rooted history or reverence for the past. There's a lot of "new" here. Museum scene ain't bad, but it ain't great either.
All in all, my view is that this can be a great place to live if you can put up with a few of our quirks. It's a younger city still figuring a lot of things out. But we're big on the outdoors/environment, have a big concern for public transit (convoluted and problematic at times, admittedly yes), people are generally pretty damn nice, good food, and it can be just so dang beautiful.
I have the biggest hard on right now. Can't wait to move to Seattle.
Personally, and maybe this is just because I enjoy jew-style sammiches too much, but Kenny and Zuke's in PDX is still the best meat-bread combo food I've ever had in my life.
Personally, and maybe this is just because I enjoy jew-style sammiches too much, but Kenny and Zuke's in PDX is still the best meat-bread combo food I've ever had in my life.
