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Noddard
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What do you guys think did Full Tilt use this photo on the Tom Wallisch pro model boot or not?  Wallisch seems to think this is not the photo.  The issue is that Full Tilt did not have permission to use the photo, and the photographer found out!  SAME? or NOT?

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  Here they are fitted together

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You decide...

Photo Credit: Ethan Stone
Mar 14 2014 12:06AM
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broto
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looks identical to me
Mar 14 2014 12:12AM
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eheath
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After seeing the photo of them put together, it seems they are different, mostly due to the pole and some of the edges (sure this couldve been modified with photoshop). I doubt full tilt/tom would use a photo without at least asking the owner of the photo, which seems like what they did with the real photo they used (not ethans).
Mar 14 2014 12:15AM
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corona
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is making a silhouette based on a photo really something you need permission to do?

but yea those are the same.

I'd like to see the other photo Wallisch claims it's from though.
Mar 14 2014 12:16AM
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Noddard
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I can respect that, but it sure does seem like the same photo.  I mean how many photos from the angle can exist of tom wallisch?  It's possible it's a different photo, but seems unlikely to me that the exact same trick angle and pose exists.
Mar 14 2014 12:18AM
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eheath
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TBH we might never actually know unless ft/tom posts the other photo we'll have no idea.

Either way, like someone else said ^^, making a logo from another photo might not exactly be considered stealing when someone with decent illustrator skills could make that same object by just looking at the photo.
Mar 14 2014 12:23AM
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Noddard
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I've heard of people getting settlements in court for less...  but I can respect that.
Mar 14 2014 12:29AM
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deleted5
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I can't imagine the guy making more money than lawyer fees.
Mar 14 2014 1:12AM
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Mr.LemonPie
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And this is what I bet happened, they looked at some photos, found one they liked, and drew it themselves.
Mar 14 2014 1:20AM
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Static
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you tw apologists are funny, it's obviously the same photo
Mar 14 2014 2:00AM
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TheTristanator
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has that always been the twall logo? i swore is first boot had a mute grab on it..
Mar 14 2014 2:02AM
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TheTristanator
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scratch that. i'm dumb...
Mar 14 2014 2:03AM
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VAPEOREON
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The guy took a photo of tom wallisch and now hes trying to sue tom for using the photo he took of him?

If this wasnt ridiculous enough the guy seems to think that tom throws all his japans differently therefor it must be his? Tom is a talented rider but that doesnt mean his japan is always different, tom probably throws all his japan grabs like that if hes comfortable with them. all my spins with grabs look the same on any jump in a photo as i always set the spin and grab the same way. now that weve determined he throws them all the same, with all the probably thousands of pics taken of wallisch doing japan grabs in his lifetime wouldnt many be of the same angle? its not even an unusual or unique angle of the shot, honestly id think a photo in that common angle with tom doing that common grab seems like itd happen all the time.
Mar 14 2014 2:15AM
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nutz.
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You're jumping to conclusions here... Ethan said nothing about suing him. If it did really come from Ethan's photo, sometimes it's just nice to be in the loop when it's your image. Also according to your logic, photographer's shouldn't be paid anything for the photos they take of other people/, which is not true at all.

Also, you might think you throw the same exact grab every time (the way your clothes move, pole position etc.) , making any picture people take of you in the exact same location in the exact same angle the same but in reality you don't. That would be near impossible actually.

All this being said, the logo doesn't match up perfectly, although to me it looks exactly the same.... I really want to see the photo Tom says it's taken from though (it'd end this debate once and for all anyways).
Mar 14 2014 3:35AM
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Holte
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Am I the only one surprised that that's the best silhouette FT could come up with of Wallisch?
Mar 14 2014 3:45AM
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nutz.
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No you aren't the only one. They could've done something like this and they chose that? What a shame.

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This deserves to be used as a tribute to that 2009 Joss edit.
Mar 14 2014 3:54AM
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The_RaginAsian
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dude ethan stone took a picture of that logo, thats why it could be off just a little bit from the original picture
Mar 14 2014 3:55AM
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Wallisch_pl
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wow dude my username has wallisch in it
Mar 14 2014 7:36AM
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BigScaryLarry
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honestly i would say its the same photo.... i cant imagine that there is another pic of wally out there that is the exact same as this one

Mar 14 2014 7:52AM
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Stickthelanding8
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Exactly the same photo but who gives a shit!
Mar 14 2014 8:57AM
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elcoach
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It looks legit to me
Mar 14 2014 9:33AM
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RubberSoul
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i just don't get why tom would defend FT over the photographer
Mar 14 2014 10:13AM
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Heart
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The pole on the right side seems to be at a slightly different angle. Like everyone else has been saying, Tom is one of the most consistent riders in the game and I don't think it's a bad assumption to say that there are plenty of shots of him that look exactly the same.
Mar 14 2014 10:25AM
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kijiski
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Kinda want to see what Tom and Full Tilt have to say about this.
Mar 14 2014 10:51AM
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RubberSoul
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if they're lying
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Mar 14 2014 10:57AM
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whoa-dere
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Omg big deal
Mar 14 2014 11:17AM
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steez_nuts
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People don't think this is a big deal but it could be depending on who it is. It is a PROPERTY RIGHTS issue and if someone else is making money off of your work and does not have permission and is not compensating the photographer than that is illegal. The picture looks the same but I can't imagine an international company wouldn't have a legal department that would verify this before it was put on thousands of boots.
Mar 14 2014 11:29AM
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KZA
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is a silhouette really his work?
Mar 14 2014 1:07PM
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will_powder
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How stupid are you?

Mar 14 2014 1:25PM
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Session
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I don't see 2 photos. I see ONE photo, and a silhouette that is stitched.
Mar 14 2014 1:48PM
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CBoro
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the person in the picture could sue full tilt and could recieve a good sum of money because they never asked for permission to use the photo on the tom wallisch full tilt
Mar 14 2014 1:54PM
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suup
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it'd be a shame if they used a picture of tom for his own pro model boot...
Mar 14 2014 2:09PM
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JuliusJ
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Thats not the point, its that they apparently used a photo of him without permission/paying the photographer. Whether it actually is the same photo or not is yet to have been proved, but it seems pretty identical to me.
Mar 14 2014 2:21PM
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ESB
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Who said anything about suing? I'm idly speculating, that's all.
Mar 14 2014 7:05PM
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Abu_Hajaar
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I love NSdrama
Mar 14 2014 8:13PM
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kung_powpow
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I have a Full tilt shirt with that same image

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Mar 14 2014 8:27PM
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e~b
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if i was a photographer and FT used my photo, i would be stoked either way
Mar 14 2014 8:35PM
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eheath
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But you're not a photographer, you don't understand the bullshit media deals with, someone just using your photo without even saying something to you is pretty fucked up.
Mar 14 2014 8:37PM
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Toaster-Tony
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I would be too, but if that was the way you made money and a big company took an image for their logo and didn't offer any credit or payment, could you see how that would be frustrating?

ESB seems pretty chill about it, but if FT did in fact use that image, it's only right that he gets acknowledged by them.
Mar 14 2014 8:41PM
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e~b
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Yeah i see what you are saying, i didnt think it through like that. Good point
Mar 14 2014 8:50PM
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Don.Cartagena
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The point I am about to make doesn't have much to do with this exact post but as an over all issue -who decided that photographers and filmers in sport automatically deserve payment for ALL of their work?

If I go hit a rail, I'm not a pro skier, I don't get paid -but I do it because it's fun. However the photographer -who also does it for fun, who is not bearing any physical risk, expects to be paid if the shot gets published.

The reason why most photographers and filmers exist in sport, is just because there are talentless no bodies out there that want to cling on to any form coolness they can without having the balls or skill to do it as an athlete.

If you want to get PAID for your work, do something that actually takes skill.

PUSSYfooter



Mar 14 2014 10:58PM
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c4t_l0ver
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really?
Mar 14 2014 11:06PM
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stupendous-man
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It is a pretty typical twall shot.. I just cant imagine FT would use Ethan's photo without asking. The only weird thing is how the poles line up so well in both versions.

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Mar 14 2014 11:15PM
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Noddard
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The global director of full tilt posted this one...

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...apparently this was the inspiration behind the illustration... you be the judge.
Mar 14 2014 11:33PM
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Abu_Hajaar
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Meh the other photo matches up better
Mar 14 2014 11:56PM
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tedmgee
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looks different forsure. if this was supposed to be the OG photo then I don't believe it
Mar 15 2014 12:02AM
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Mr.Bishop
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I hate to say it, but the poles and jacket don't line up for shit.

I need to see the original photo from the full tilt design. I fail to believe that they ripped Ethan off, and frankly if we're talking about someone who can do a trick flawlessly the same way multiple times in a row... todd waldubs is a perfect fucking candidate.

I want to see the original just to be amazed that he can do the same trick so identically twice. That shit is hyphy.

Mar 15 2014 12:03AM
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eheath
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I'm not even going to humor you with a response to such a ignorant statement.
Mar 15 2014 12:08AM
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Ehh...
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Wow. I don't even wanna say anything to this, because I know whatever statement I have will not get through your thick skull.
Mar 15 2014 12:20AM
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Trace.
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You should try to never look at a video or picture that isn't a selfie again
Mar 15 2014 1:07AM
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Toaster-Tony
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haha I can just picture everyone at the FT headquarters running around freaking out about how to cover this up.


Someone should make a new Hitler dub about FT seeing newschoolers find the original picture.
Mar 15 2014 1:13AM
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