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johnnypsunami
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PLease, watch the bonus feature in High Five, a phone msg from Steve Winter to Josh Berman:

Go to Support Page. Watch the Freeze Ad (or fastforward it). You will return to support page, click over a couple times till you pass the volkl logo and nothing should appear. Click enter, and never buy anything from MSP again.











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Dec 12 2004 3:48PM
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TWEAKERSHRDMSTR
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This is AWESOME!!!!

Those guys in Crested Butte are just hanging out on the internet while the rest of us are ripping it up.

Huckandstomp what's the next Ski Movie called?

When can I see a teaser?


Dec 22 2004 11:08PM
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TWEAKERSHRDMSTR
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I'm a long time listener to NS, but I just decided to voice my opinion after seeing this post. I've known MSP to pull some shady stuff in the past. Mainly throwing out the;'We're the shit, everyone else sucks' attitude everywhere they go. But whatever....
This shit is just childish though. If they're so threatened by other film companies, that's good. They should be....
Just ask Tanner, Jon, or Sage how much footage they've shot so far this year, then ask MSP how much they've shot this year......
Dec 22 2004 11:29PM
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TWEAKERSHRDMSTR
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Levin,
As Ski Movie Producers of the Year, why would Matchstick Productions need an EXTRA $100,000 to produce their movie?
They couldn't get it done with the 1st $100,000 they got from their sponsors??
Just think what Berman or Volume could do with that kind of budget...
Dec 23 2004 12:00AM
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TWEAKERSHRDMSTR
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Matt Harvey-
THIS THREAD IS NEWS! Some kind of interview or story is worthy of this thread.
Do you have any inside info?
After 5500 views, its worthy of something.
NOBODY'S MENTIONED JT HOLMES LAUNCHING A 300', 1ST DESCENT OFF OF DEVIL'S CASTLE TODAY on NS yet??????
Matchstick droped JT from their program this year!?!?!?!?
Dec 23 2004 1:23AM
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Skiertrav
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This horse died long ago, stop beating it please. If you have no facts about shady/questionable practices, DON'T POST. Even though you think that MSP movies are pure shit, that is not a fact, nor is the way they edit their movie either.

MSP is using big business tactics in a small pond of very opinionated individuals, and it will bite them in the ass...hard eventually(judging by the interest in this thread).

Competition for cash from sponsors is tough for little companies, unless they have definitive proof of a superior product. On paper, I'm sure MSP looks better than L1P, as sad as that may be to a lot of you. Business has little to do with emotion when in the large scale toward which MSP is forcing the industry.

In my opinion, judging by the response to this thread, Berman has little to worry about. The people who support are far more vocal than those who support MSP. Sponsors will be there, but once you piss off a potential customer to the point of never buying your product again, I'd say you've got some re-evaluation to do. What you decide doesn't matter, but this should at least make you think.
Dec 23 2004 2:43AM
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Dfresh
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This is awesome guys, keep it up, this thread will never leave the front page and will always be on top so everyone in the skiing community knows not to buy MSP. Infact, since the people behin MSP have read this thread themselves, I think it is time we voice our opinion once more, so everyone, give a huge, FUCK YOU MSP

take it easy guys, skiing rules.

'Keep on rocking in the free world'
Dec 23 2004 3:14AM
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Doghouse
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Dfresh, how many people will it take calling you an idiot for you to shut up? seriously every post you make is unbeleiveably idiotic.

As for MSP- having never met or hung out with Steve Winter, but having spent time with Wais, Gaffney and the guys, they definately don't give off the 'cutthroat/evil' vibe that you're all portraying. If you dont like MSP's movies, dont buy them, but cinematography wise MSP is pretty unmatched.

The Winter shit sounds shady but so far we've only heard one side. Anyway, I think SM2 is probably the best ski movie ive seen, instead of ragging on everyone elses movies we should just say what we like and stop saying that this or that is gay cause its pretty lame

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Dec 23 2004 4:16AM
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switchskier88
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sm2 sucks man
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Dec 23 2004 9:59AM
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sno-man
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Dfresh lose it buddy. MSP makes the best films hands down. Murry, Scott, and Winter are all great guys. They have all done so much for athletes over the years.
When there are hundreds of thousands of dollors at stake and you have been working for something for over 10 years, you would be suprised what you would do to your competition. It's buisness bro and you know anything about it. Nice guys loose. I ganrantee there is a reason why these things were said on that answering machine. I don't care thats between them.
What happens when Josh gets that big and there is a new crowd that comes in to snatch what he's been working for ten years? Do you think he is going to be a nice guy and say here, film my guys, take my cover shots from VAS, and take the money away from the sponsors that I have been working with, I dont care? No I don't think so.
Your are simply trying to harm a company that has given so much over the years. This will come to haunt Josh in the long run. For every action there is a reaction.
Dec 23 2004 10:17AM
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whiteout
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Hello? Anyone?

Bottom line here some of you seem to think that MSP's 'business tactics' are indicative of legit comeptitive methods of clawing for the biggest piece of the pie. Turns out that they're not. MSP is simply scrambling to hold on to their dwindling market share (sponsor support, public interest, athlete relationships) and because of their lack of raw intelligence and business savvy (yes, you Steve, Murray), these pathetic attempts to undermine their competition are the best they can come up with. Sad really. If they really were more than a group of over-funded former ski-bum stoner/coke heads turned wanna-be filmmakers, maybe they would be able to use their position to help GROW the industry. Competition is a mutually beneficial situation if handled effectiveley boys, simple business dynamics. If you knew how to effectively handle it, you would have every advantage. Go down to CMC next spring and take some classes, you could learn something. And keep pulling your hair out too.


Dec 23 2004 11:38AM
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Jibtech
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I ganrantee there is a reason why these things were said on that answering machine.

There was no reason for that phone message to Josh, but I 'garantee' there is a good reason that phone message ended up in this video...

Winter went to DNA, a sponsor of Bermans since the begining, and told them bluntly that they were wasting their time and money sponsoring Berman. To validate that assertion, he told them that MSP sells X number of videos a year, where X is some crazy over blown number, and that berman only sells Y number of videos per year, where Y is a gross under estimate of his actual sales. Fortunatly the guys at DNA are inteligent and saw through the BS.












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Dec 23 2004 3:35PM
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switchskier88
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^if anyone can honestly say that doing that is good buisness ethics than your either a sociopath or have a really twisted sense or morality
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Dec 23 2004 3:49PM
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Dfresh
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And guess what also, guess who MSP wan'ts so bad intheir films they would go to these lengths, and guess who will never film with them... because everyone sees what they are doing... it seems berman has the coolest crew to film with, he takes people from nowhere and showcases them and believes in his riders...and they all do it for their love of the sport and MSP wants to ruin that.

'Keep on rocking in the free world'
Dec 23 2004 4:04PM
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freeskisquaw
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Can anyone understand anything that Dfresh posts, because I sure as hell can't. Also, nice comment about CMC.

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.



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Dec 23 2004 4:09PM
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Rogge
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^^what? there were too many,'guess what...''s in that post. I want to know why MSP is going after other companies sponsers when they already get waaaayy more than any other film company.
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Dec 23 2004 4:19PM
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lanks
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yes, i sure can. and ive learned to disregard anything you post, because its useless.

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Dec 23 2004 4:21PM
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freeskisquaw
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Ok, Lankysteez.

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.



Scratch174, thank you.
Dec 23 2004 4:22PM
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Jibtech
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They were going after DNA because they wanted DC to be in their videos... To bad DC fucking hates them too, more now than ever.












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Dec 23 2004 8:42PM
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What goes around comes around

and it's coming round fast.



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But, you can always fall back on your degree in... Communications! Oh, dear Lord!
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Dec 23 2004 8:46PM
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TWEAKERSHRDMSTR
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Sounds like Steve at MSP is spending more time shooting himself in the foot, than trying to create a better product.
Dec 23 2004 9:32PM
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TAK
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Internet? Special Olympics? Anyone? No?

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Dec 23 2004 9:34PM
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1080bio
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i think if anyone out there knows hes house adress or where msp shit is located they should post it and every one who can get there should fuck all his mother fucking shit up just one big anti msp faggot riot

what happined to drugs, sex, & rock and roll...now adays we have aids crack and techno.......

GNR

Dec 23 2004 10:11PM
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longboardskater
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its total bullshit and completely uncalled for. derek westerlund pulls shit in the MTB industry, and guess who his best bud's are? MSP!!! Horray! they have succesfully dicked over two whole industries!

Don't worry I have perfected the mail bomb. and oh yeah, I might have skinny arms but i'm not afraid to blow shit up. and that IS a threat and it IS unprofesional. but you know what they say, 'two can play at that game'

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Dec 23 2004 10:18PM
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1080bio
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oh and if anyone wants to post his cell phone or home phone taht would be great im sure every one would like to have a word with that cock sucking bitch i would love to kick him in his flappy vagina lips

and on a side not didnt the fuck over chris booth out of a segment in there movie i didnt watch it cause its probly gay but im prity sure he was suposed to have one but they didnt give it to him because it had to much park footage

what happined to drugs, sex, & rock and roll...now adays we have aids crack and techno.......

GNR

Dec 23 2004 10:28PM
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Jib_This
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While I'd normally agree with TAK, this thread is the most important to hit newschoolers in a damn long time. I'd heard rumours along the lines of what's been posted in this thread for a long time, not to mention more, and to see that many of them are, in fact, true, is enlightening to say the least. I've never liked MSP for their movies, but I can now honestly say that I'll never go to another MSP premiere, buy another one of their movies, and perhaps more importantly, SELL another one of their movies.

Hey MSP, karma's a bitch isn't it?







Bahahaha... or, you could call it the 'elitist snob' cult. Anyways, my family already owns a country club, so no thanks.

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Dec 23 2004 10:44PM
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TWEAKERSHRDMSTR
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This one time at band camp when Steve asked Seth to sign an exclusive film deal, and he tore it up and spit in his face.....
Dec 23 2004 11:08PM
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Dfresh
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I'm still interested in hearing what MSP, and other representatives of the industry actaully have to say...

I wonder what the athletes think about what MSP is pulling, and will re evaluate their opinion on said company.

it will be interesting next year to see the influence of this thread. I think we should keep it alive until then, and someone should report figures on the sales of each video. I predict MSP will have a slight decline due to the growing trend of supporting the core companies, Level 1 will increase as they would have either way, and pbp will remain untouched for the most part... they seem to branch out and grow a bit more every year.

Other companies will be growing bigger in the scene aswell...

Theory 3 for a mix of progressive back country and jibbing...

Plehouse will have a huge growth and the quality of the movie will be off the hook next year...

I forget many of the other companies but...

And all the smaller companies are going to take the position level 1 had when they put out strike three...

It is going to be a good time for skiing I think... I can't wait.

'Keep on rocking in the free world'
Dec 24 2004 2:09AM
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Phrosty
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miss cleo tells all^
Dec 24 2004 2:10AM
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Jibtech
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D-Fresh.. see my previous post. MSP will sell the most videos again this year.












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Dec 24 2004 2:18AM
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Phrosty
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more than warren!?
Dec 24 2004 2:21AM
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offtrail
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well, i must say first off, thanks Phrosty. oh and dave thank you too just cause you are dave levin. oh, and i say fuck vas, i am starting my own distribution deal.

Basicly there is pleanty of room for all the ski films, but when companies try to play god, they take away from others out there....like Off Trail, SAS, Rage, Theory 3...ect. just think what we could do if sponsors would give us even a quarter of what they give MSP to make the same idea of a movie. the future is here, if only certain people would realize that the future isn't the past, but yet a futuer that we actualy haven't even thought of yet.

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Dec 24 2004 2:31AM
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offtrail
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Corection..... MSP to make the same type of movie. the future is here, if only certain people would realize that the future isn't the past, but yet a future that we actualy haven't even thought of yet.
































































hey this long signature thing is the new pink
Dec 24 2004 2:34AM
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offtrail
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compatition leads to creativity. back in the day MSP and TGR were realy it. now that there are all these start up companies out there (Off Trail included) ski films are changing, and that is a given. if they don't evolve, then you will be watching ski movie _ whatever in 5 years and be stoked. lets open the want and hope for new more creative films, so that we can evolve as snowboard films have over the past few years.

the industry needs some hot new shit, and all of us ''Newschoolers'' are here to give it to them. Hello industry welcome to the Future.
































































hey this long signature thing is the new pink
Dec 24 2004 2:41AM
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johnnypsunami
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ALpinecowboy84 really nailed this one. Read his post, and thats what is all comes down to.

And for Steve Winter,

I'm not Josh Berman you dumbfuck, he would be JoshB, and I am in no way shape or form related to Level 1 Productions. But I am however a 'newschooler' who is disguisted by your business ethics and conduct.









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Dec 24 2004 10:30AM
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johnnypsunami
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'I´m sick of all you dumbass kids who post bullshit ten times a day just to keep your post numbers up high.'

So Steve you really think the people who buy your movies are a bunch of dumbass kids eh? I always thought in business you should treat your customers with respect? Since afterall, they are YOUR business. Calling them dumbass kids probably isnt the best way about going about it, you might want to read that chapter in Busines 101.











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Dec 24 2004 10:37AM
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SirHucksAlot
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What did MSP do to piss everyone off? I mean just because the guys might be 'assholes' doesn't make their movies any worse. I don't see Seth Morrison or Shane McConkey with any other film company. Those two guys are the ones leading the sport. Like with skarachuting, I will say it got a little out of hand in Yearbook, but i mean c'mon, skarachuting is going to open up all sorts of insane lines. What exactly did the MSP guys say in high five?(i've never seen it.)



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Dec 24 2004 11:02AM
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TheWorst
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Yes i agree steve winter is a big queer
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Dec 24 2004 11:21AM
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TheWorst
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Sirhucksalot your 'skarachuting' shit is the gayest thing anyways... thats the kind of shit you see on real tv i think that will ruin the sport...
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Dec 24 2004 11:34AM
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Phrosty
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an old man and a midget pushing the sport?
Dec 24 2004 1:17PM
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SKItheBURG
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sirhucksalot has completely missed the point.
Dec 24 2004 1:54PM
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kendrick
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The thread is not about Gaffney, McConkey, skichuting, or anything but bad ethics. Bob Marley: 'These are the big fish...who always eat down the small fish.... and they would do anything...to materialize their every wish'
I know what Bob would say about Winter's bs because he already said it.^
I'm very glad that I know about this bs thanks to High Five's secret footy and Dishwalla.

We'd all love to hear what MSP would say in their own defense but they've left the thread now because their actions are indefensible. What they would say if they were telling the truth is, we tried to eat the smaller fish and now we're getting ass raped because of it. Cheers to a long life for this thread. I'll be absent at the next MSP premier, and if anyone asks why, I'll direct them to Berman's secret footy or this thread.

die sno-man, die
Dec 24 2004 1:55PM
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Capurnicus
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JD, film quality has everything to do with the bad business ethics. MSP's bad business ehtics are a direct result of their film quality. If they made movies that were true to the scene, they wouldn't have to pull stuff like this to sell. But more importantly, I think if Winter really cared about skiing and the industry then things like this wouldn't be happening.

In any question of business, isn't it necessary to look at the products? We look at the products and we can make better judgments about what's going on.

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Dec 24 2004 2:55PM
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J.D.
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^You have a point... but it's not like PBP is out undermining the TGR films to try to sell to that audience. Some people are going to like MSP-style movies, and those people will buy them. When you make a movie which focusses on a certain type of skiing, you're appealing to a fan base. If MSP wants to expand their fan base, they should do it by changing or expanding their style, not by adopting shady business tactics. If they don't want to do that, then they're just going to have to settle with sales to people who want to watch what they have to offer. Plain and simple.

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Dec 24 2004 3:33PM
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freeskisquaw
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Why did Berman keep the footage secret? That sounds kind of shady too... Why didn't he publish it on NS or another area where a lot of people could read it? Why did he have to make it a secret?

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.



Scratch174, thank you.
Dec 24 2004 4:51PM
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Phrosty
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^shut up, wosrt post in the thread. He put it in his fucking movie, how secretive is that? where should he have put it? in the intro? christ you're a retard. It' is unbeliveable how stupid you are. I mean maybee you don't even know what youre typing, but if you do god have mercy on your soul. I hope you're in a voice controlled wheel chair or something, that would explain your stupidity. Please never voice your opinion ever again. In fact ending your life would be the best option right now.
Dec 24 2004 5:08PM
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pikupfulofsnow
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i agree off trail, we could do a ton with more sponsorship support. i guess in the end we just have to work that much harder. merry christmas and happy holidays to all.
Dec 24 2004 5:16PM
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freeskisquaw
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Excuse me, I never should have posted that. My bad.

NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.



Scratch174, thank you.
Dec 24 2004 5:17PM
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Static
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really the companys that support msp are also at fault, lets boycott everyone.





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Dec 24 2004 5:18PM
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dspin7x
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Heres one more person who will never buy a MSP film again. Good job winter you shit head!
Dec 24 2004 5:22PM
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airic
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Phrosty, I know your posts should be taken lightly but saying that kind of stuff can be taken the wrong way and be alot more hurtful to some. Keep it a little more peaceful...
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