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Virginia Senator critically wounded, son dead

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Mr.Sloth
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Virginia Senator Creigh Deeds has been hospitalized for a stab wound, and his son has reportedly been shot to death.
Will post when I know more.
http://m.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/deeds-critically-wounded-son-dead-from-gunshot/article_431e61ca-5128-11e3-944a-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm#.UouB0qerHR4.facebook
Nov 19 2013 10:51AM
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PJS.
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Guns are designed to kill things. That is their base purpose. That was what they were invented for, and what they have been used for for the vast majority of their existence. Anyone pretending that they are some sort of benign tool that are inexplicably used to kill people is naive. They are not knives, or axes; tools that were designed for an entirely different purpose, but lend themselves to violence. The gun is an instrument of violence. I am fine with the use of guns, but people discussing this issue need to agree on and understand this. It is where the argument should begin.


Inb4 no one reads because "HURR DURR AR6 PWNS SOME NOOBS" or "HURR DURR BAN ALL GUNS"
Nov 19 2013 6:49PM
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ABalls
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Just a little update on this story...

Turns out that the son actually stabbed the father and then killed himself.
Nov 19 2013 6:54PM
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gotti
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guns != drugs

Why does everybody think that the way drugs are treated when they are banned is the same way guns will be treated? People will never be addicted to guns so stop saying that the illegal drug trade will be the same with guns if all guns are banned.
Nov 19 2013 6:56PM
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skiierman
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Yeah except there is plenty of proof that show a ban on guns, even in countries that are flooded with them, eliminates mass shootings that we seem to have every fucking year. People who are for absurdly relaxed gun control laws seem to always ignore the fact that all these terrible mass shootings/massacres we have are done by NORMAL CITIZENS AND NOT CRIMINALS.

It blows my mind how pro-gun people get all tragic and sad when a mass shooting occurs and yet they're not willing to take the most direct, simple and effective route to prevent any future tragedies. It's one of the reasons why the world laughs at the U.S.

I grew up with guns around me and I love them but our society is too fucking retarded to be handed that kind of responsibility... a majority of the parents out there can't even take care of themselves, forget about being responsible for their offspring or their assault weapons.

And it's like pro gun nuts say, if you really wanted to get something illegal you can so.... why are you fucking complaining? If a law is passed for the greater good of society, you can still get your fucking gun but you can't carry it around in public anymore.
Nov 19 2013 7:16PM
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TopherRitz
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This is really bad, my mom is good friends with his wife. His son was insane, depressed and possibly schizophrenic. They've apparently been trying to get him into a mental hospital for a while but there wasn't space in any mental hospital in VA. That's a problem. Im not a gun fanatic by any means, especially compared to everyone in my area, but I will say that the greatest problem here is the way society treats insane people. There shouldn't have been a gun in his house, but seriously, not one hospital could take him? That's bad.
Nov 19 2013 8:57PM
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Smuffy
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Been saying this for years... People still amaze me though
Nov 19 2013 9:13PM
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RusselCrowe
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AR6 for president
Nov 19 2013 9:16PM
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Nov 19 2013 9:29PM
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ILLinoisance
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Oh, boy, I bet all of those mass shooting gunmen with an already-established plan are going to call all plans off once they get wind of a law like that.
Nov 19 2013 9:47PM
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Wallisch_pl
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I don't understand people's logic, every year they have times to collect "unwanted guns" and the violence in that area goes down like 60%, No citizen deserves a gun, and when they use the 2nd amendment to back up their story, they just sound really dumb, it's like using the 10 commandments.
Nov 19 2013 10:12PM
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Wallisch_pl
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Everyone disagreeing with comments saying that more gun laws=less violence just look so ignorant, at least make a good statement to back yourself up.

It's literally proven, more gun laws = less violence, you can't argue with that
Nov 19 2013 10:15PM
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ILLinoisance
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Just gonna leave this here.

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Nov 19 2013 10:27PM
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Wallisch_pl
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This post basically says everything, we have mass shootings 1-3 times yearly(I think mass is defined as 20 or more people, or something like that), and besides that, we have shooting regularly, probably daily, but I'm not 100% sure. Also the fact that skiierman stated "our society is too fucking retarded to be handed that kind of responsibility..." guns are way too overpowered, and IMO I don't think anyone needs them, that's just my thinking though, then again I didn't grow up around guns and don't even see the fun part about it honestly.

Why do people bring up "Guns are used to get food", if you have the money to buy a gun and ammunition, you have enough money to buy food, and why not use a bow and arrow or something?

And agreed with PJS, why the fuck is AR6 trolling, you make it look like you have absolutely nothing to back you up so you have to resort to being sarcastic and making an ass of yourself.
Nov 19 2013 10:36PM
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skiierman
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How many of them were kids who got them from someone they knew or bought the guns themselves just before going out and shooting people? They are all fucking kids and the ones that bought guns did so just before going out and being an asshole. They're not hardened criminals, they don't know shit about that. They're depressed and fucked up middle-class douche bags who happen to notice that they can get a gun really easy and instead of suicide, they want to hurt everyone around them. You're a fucking idiot with no understanding of the mental state of these shooters.
Nov 20 2013 1:49AM
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skiierman
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Yeah you're comparing ALL HOMICIDES to gun owners? Not only that but you feel comparing the U.S. to many corrupt, poor 3rd world countries is fair? Way to help prove my point that people who are against stricter gun restrictions are uneducated morons.
Nov 20 2013 1:51AM
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Jeebus.
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Just gunna quote this here, for emphasis.
Nov 20 2013 1:52AM
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Jeebus.
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Everybody look! an upset liberal!
Nov 20 2013 1:53AM
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987321654hgfd
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Mass shootings are defined as 4 or more people. They're not only an American problem either. They occur a significant amount in Europe where much more strict gun control exists.

Nov 20 2013 5:40AM
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987321654hgfd
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Ok. Show me in the United States where this has worked with facts.

Just look at DC and Chicago. If your logic was correct they would be placid utopias. In reality they have horrible gun violence.

A huge problem people overlook is the gang problem in the US.
Nov 20 2013 5:42AM
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Wallisch_pl
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yeah there was like a mass shooting a few years ago that no one really cared about, a guy in Norway went to a island full of kids and killed like 70+
Nov 20 2013 6:45AM
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PeppermillReno
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 My guess is the father is cheap and wouldn't give his fuckup weird ass son money.

Luckily it was just the father and son who got hurt both probably deserved it.
Nov 20 2013 6:59AM
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987321654hgfd
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or these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre












Nov 20 2013 8:25AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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So to "counter" your point skiierman on Australia, (this is completely a theory but it may hold some water) but theyre an island with borders that are extremely easy to control relative to the US, have low organized crime, and a smaller population. Dont you think that could play a role in the decrease of gun-related homicides as well? If our borders were tighter it could make it much harder to get guns across to the organized crime who then distribute it to the general public.

My thought is that laws only play a small portion of changing gun regulation. The rest of it comes down to human motives, border control, organized crime, etc. I personally believe we need to remove the stigma around mental health issues before we can correctly address gun issues. But I honestly have zero idea on how to do that.

Just food for thought.
Nov 20 2013 8:59AM
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skiierman
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You missed the part where it's a fact that the people who commit mass murders are not criminals with no idea how to get an illegal firearm in the middle of suburbia... jesus, you kids are fucking stupid.
Nov 20 2013 9:22AM
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Iraq_Lobster
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this thread just turned into a political shitshow
Nov 20 2013 9:23AM
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Mr.LemonPie
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guns are smuggled out of America right now. I reckon if the US made handguns illegal gun violence would go down in Mexico and Canada as well as here. That doesn't mean homicides would go down, that doesn't mean crime would go down, that doesn't mean assault would go down. But it has been done time and time again, you go from guns being legal to guns being illegal, and gun violence goes down.
Nov 20 2013 9:53AM
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Wallisch_pl
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oh shit the Winnenden occured on my birthday
Nov 20 2013 9:57AM
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theabortionator
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"State Sen. Creigh Deeds was stabbed multiple times early today at his Bath County home and his son, Gus, is dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound."

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Top of the article
Nov 20 2013 10:01AM
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Davin
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The mental health of the shooters is what is the problem. Think back to how before mass media controlled our population so much we didn't have nearly as much shootings. Recently the media portrays these shooters as some kind of villain from a movie. That is where the real problem occurs, idolization. The media obsesses over shootings and the future shooters that have mental health issues see this. They are going to want that kind of "fame" that they see from the villain. Guns do not need any toning back here; it is the media that needs to learn to tone it back.

P.S
Think of how much you watch the news during a crisis time. That increases their ratings so they broadcast these shootings for the same effect.
Nov 20 2013 12:57PM
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Huck_Norris
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Enlightening graphic is enlightening hahahaha

Gee I wonder... Latin America and Africa, what could be leading to such high levels of violence in those areas, hmmm... Certainly no correlation to our own gun violence problems which are mostly concentrated in urban areas, of that much we can be sure.



Nov 20 2013 1:32PM
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HitTheJim
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I thought this thread said Regina Spektor not Virginia senator. Would've really fucked my day up if Regina Spektor died.
Nov 20 2013 2:05PM
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Nov 20 2013 2:27PM
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Wallisch_pl
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yes technically
Nov 20 2013 2:28PM
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deleted5
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That's not a fair argument, it's not banned when you can drive 6 hours away to buy a gun. Should we ban guns no, but I think you have to prove to the government you're a responsible adult who can handle having what ever guns you choose to own. You also have to register your car, so register your gun. so if it ends up in a mass shooting or killing we know who's to blame, also background checks.
Nov 20 2013 2:37PM
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Bombogenesis
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We've had no large scale terror attacks in the us since 9/11.


Thank you bush for the ban on terrorists!! It worked!


Nov 20 2013 3:40PM
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Bombogenesis
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Looks like the 1983 ban on gingers is really working so far..
Nov 20 2013 3:43PM
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howlongcanausern
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dangerous miniorities? no no no, that would be racist
Nov 20 2013 3:49PM
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Bombogenesis
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Yeah dude that kids a dick. He said crime is higher in urban areas and urban areas usually have more blacks and Hispanics. Therefore he is saying that blacks and Hispanics commit more crime which makes him a racist pos.


#realliberalthinkingthough
#votered2016
#weareallfucked
Nov 20 2013 3:55PM
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Granby_killdozer
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BAN ALL PENCILS 2014!
Nov 20 2013 3:56PM
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Wallisch_pl
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do have any idea what we are talking about? wtf is this
Nov 20 2013 4:07PM
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Huck_Norris
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#statisticsareracist2013
Nov 20 2013 4:36PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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News article about a stabbing and suicide turns into a gun law debate. I love/hate you NS. Stay classy.
Nov 20 2013 4:40PM
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Bombogenesis
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Whoooooooooooooosh
Nov 20 2013 5:18PM
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howlongcanausern
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'guns are out of control in this country'

soul is the brevity of wit
Nov 20 2013 6:18PM
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Wallisch_pl
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no seriously, we were talking about mass shooting, not terror attacks
Nov 20 2013 6:24PM
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Wallisch_pl
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that came out wrong
Nov 20 2013 6:24PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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So, riddle me this then. You're more concerned about the mass murders than the hundreds if not thousands of deaths that occur from illegal firearms? I have to imagine the collateral damage from illegal firearms is greater than the mass murders. Hell, last week there was a shooting at a barber shop in Chicago that killed multiple people and was apparently gang related. But what do I know? Hm.

Look, I am all for stricter gun control (make them harder to get in most cases, require courses, etc) but to straight up outlaw guns and expect a decline in homicides in the US? That wont happen.
Nov 20 2013 7:15PM
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Wallisch_pl
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possibly, during the prohibition crime went up because gangsters and smuggling alcohol or whateber
Nov 20 2013 7:20PM
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deleted5
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That is the dumbest example ever, you know what the police did in 1930-1930 when a crime happened? I'll leave you with a quote "they solve old murders and it's really interesting. What I learned from it is that it was really easy to get away with murder before they knew about DNA... What was a murder investigation like in 1935? One cop would just walk in and be like, 'Detective, we found a pool of the killer's blood in that hallway.' He would just be like, 'Hmmm, gross. Mop it up. Now then, back to my hunch. Look for clues. I'll tell you what we'll do; we'll draw chalk around where the body is, that way we'll know where it was."
Nov 20 2013 8:42PM
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deleted5
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1920-1930
Nov 20 2013 8:43PM
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