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Texas getting sued over voter id law

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Jeebus.
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This is truly outrageous, you should have to show a valid id to vote in every state.
I'm sure some dumb liberal has some retarded reason why voters shouldnt have to show id, so lets here it.
Aug 25 2013 4:27PM
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TheBEANER
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people shouldn't have to show it because it really fucks over elderly people and people in poor community's. Spending the first part of my life in what you would call the hood or ghetto, I know from experience that  hardly anyone in these areas has an id. Theres no point for them to have it because they stay in these places there whole life's. Its a never ending cycle and with these voter id laws its just another way for Republicans to keep the minority's, who the majority of which don't favor the republicans from voting its bullshit. But before you say im spewing bullshit not one person in my house had an id till we moved to Montana. Those laws are bullshit there was one case of voter fraud this year is that really worth making it that much harder for minority's to vote.
Aug 25 2013 4:42PM
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Skavengers303
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its not that hard nor expensive to get one though...

plus checking ids could help stop voter fraud
Aug 25 2013 4:45PM
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Jeebus.
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First liberal retard response. You spelled "because then illegals wouldn't be able to vote democrat." wrong. If you cant take an hour out of one day to get an ID you dont deserve to vote in the first place. What this law does is better prevents voter fraud. You and your liberal tards just dont like it because democrats would never win another election.
Aug 25 2013 4:47PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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Firstly, if you want anyone to take your opinion seriously you should learn to write. Click here.

Now, the idea that you shouldn't need an ID to vote is ludicrous, because it massively opens the door to voter fraud. A single person could walk through different voting stations and vote as a different person (who isn't themselves) each time. A law which makes that easy is stupid. I don't think you quite understand how serious voter fraud is.

'hardly anyone in these areas ["what you would call the hood or ghetto"] has an id'.

What a fucking ridiculous argument. If there are prerequisites to voting, and you do not fulfil them (whatever they are, or for whatever reason), you forfeit your right to vote. Simple. It's like if you don't get a passport you can't leave or reenter the country (EU excluded).

Could you explain where the cycle is in your 'never ending cycle'.
Aug 25 2013 4:55PM
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TheBEANER
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Theirs not enough of a voter fraud problem to need this theres been 2,068 reported voter fraud cases  since 2000. There is 146 million registerd voters in the us so about 1 in 15 million voters is a fraud. Not to mention there has been only ten cases of in person voter fraud since 2000. And in some of these areas it can be kinda hard to get an id alot of these people don't even have access to there birth certificate how are you ganna get an id?
Aug 25 2013 4:56PM
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TheBEANER
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Both of you are fucking idiots. If you grew up in some of these places you would understand. There is hardly any voter fraud in the first place so why do we need these?
Aug 25 2013 5:00PM
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Skavengers303
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yeah just looked it up. it would definitely be a pain in the ass to get an id without BC or SSC, however it is still do able.


Idk, how i see it, you need an id to by cigs, alcohol, fly on an airplane, leave the country, gamble, ect.

is it really that big of a deal if voting is also added to that list?
Aug 25 2013 5:06PM
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TheBEANER
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what im talking about is in alot of these poor environments people cant get out of the loop that is poverty. Your born into poverty you grow up with nothing so you either turn to  money doing illegal activities. Or you can get a minimum wage job and barely scrap a living the rest of your life. Then you have children and the cycle repeats 
Aug 25 2013 5:07PM
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Jeebus.
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really dude? I honestly didnt think you could any more stupid, then you said this.
Aug 25 2013 5:11PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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Wow. That literally has nothing to do with either getting an ID, which is piss easy, or voter fraud. Would you kindly fuck off back to a ghetto which doesn't yet have internet.

And do some reading. Actually fucking read it, don't just skim. That is, if you can read, which might be a push. Click here.
Aug 25 2013 5:12PM
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TheBEANER
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I get where your coming from but you have to understand. the people without the id's are the elderly and poor. alot of elderly people just dont have an up to date id and could get one very easily yes, But in these poor areas you don't ever lave the country or fly anywhere and the little store down the street isnt ganna be carding for booze and cigs.
Aug 25 2013 5:12PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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Totally agree with this.
Aug 25 2013 5:13PM
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TheBEANER
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yea that one was my bad
Aug 25 2013 5:13PM
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TheBEANER
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it didn't you asked what I ment by the cycle so i answered your question
Aug 25 2013 5:16PM
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gotti
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So you're telling me that either A) nobody in the ghetto drinks alcohol or buys tobacco or B) no liquor store or convenient store checks for ID?
Aug 25 2013 5:16PM
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TheBEANER
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no im just saying were i grew up our store just didn't id for anything not cigs not liquor and it want like anyone ever bothered to come down and make sure they were checking id
Aug 25 2013 5:19PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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But in your initial argument, you made your magic cycle part of the argument. I debated that point with you, it's how you argue. You make a statement about why you think you're right, I tell you why you're wrong. I pointed out that part of your argument had nothing to do with your argument, invalidating a significant portion of your argument.

I have never had to tell anyone over the age of ten that.
Aug 25 2013 5:22PM
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gotti
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where did you grow up? so i can go there
Aug 25 2013 5:26PM
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TheBEANER
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All i really trying to say is everything isnt always as easy as it seams. It can be a bitch for some people to get an id and i probably shouldn't have made one big generalization. But what im getting at is voting fraud is such a small problem that doesn't actually effect elections so why even bother putting this into place. And in all honesty i wouldn't mind having to show an id. But its unfair to the people who don't know how to get an id without a birth certificate or a ss number because it takes away there right to vote.
Aug 25 2013 5:32PM
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TheBEANER
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i lived in sonoma ca go find where all the Mexicans live and you can buy all the tabacco and booze you want no matter how old your are
Aug 25 2013 5:34PM
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Jabe
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wut?
Aug 25 2013 5:45PM
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Jane6
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Lol I find this thread funny because I am watching the show "the Newsroom" right in this very moment where this was just a topic in an episode (episode 10, season 1). According to stats in the episode voting fraud during the Bush administration, where under 5 years 196 million votes were cast, the number of cases of voting fraud reached 86. Not 86 000, but 86. In percentage of all votes cast that is 0.00004%.
Aug 25 2013 5:53PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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You clearly did a very bad job of reading the site I told you to. Or maybe you just can't read. Voter fraud is not such a problem because of measures such as mandatory ID. You don't weaken working security systems, that's just stupid.

And this is my final contribution to this wonderful debate. It's 11 pm here (and before you say anything about me not being American and spending about two hours discussing American politics, remember what you say applies to when you next discuss the situation in Egypt, Syria, or North Korea); and I'm flying north tomorrow morning.
Aug 25 2013 5:56PM
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danderson.
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Texas continually proving how terrible of state it is.
Aug 25 2013 6:03PM
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DizzyG
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You are dumb.
Aug 25 2013 6:07PM
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Jeebus.
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Explain to me why requiring ID to vote is a bad idea, still waiting on a valid argument.
Aug 25 2013 6:13PM
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PacificRimJob
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Voter fraud should only be worried about when people actually vote. Unless we're talking about the many people who had to wait in line for hours just to vote last go-around - leading many of them to give up and go home... but that's not fraud, that's just restricting people's rights.

Otherwise, anyone bitching about voter fraud, and wishing for ID's should just quite frankly shut the fuck up.
Aug 25 2013 6:19PM
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Huck_Norris
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This. The practice of requiring ID for voting would exclude a large chunk of the population specifically to "fix" a problem that does not exist. Any halfway educated person should be able to find the fault in that. I do find it hilarious the types of people who voraciously parade it around as a sort of "I have ID! You don't? Well fuck off back to your hole, you don't deserve a vote" self-applied badge of patriotic legitimacy regardless of the damaging effects of the bill on the very freedoms they supposedly stand for.
Aug 25 2013 6:24PM
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PacificRimJob
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Also, on the ID subject... If I get caught driving without an ID, I can still drive... that's not a problem at all. I might get a ticket and have to show it in court, but you can drive away without an ID (least in the states I've lived in)

So, if I can drive without an ID - which is an actual by-law requirement of such, who's to say I can't vote.

Voting is a right. Driving is a privilege. See where I'm getting at? As a citizen, it's a constitutional RIGHT. Whether you have a piece of plastic or not. But, then again, Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, and the Soviet Union all required you to show proof of your shit just to get around... seemed to work out well for everyone, right? OP probably wants that scenario.
Aug 25 2013 6:26PM
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Jeebus.
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I would argue that although it is a constitutional right, it is also a privilege, for instance when you are convicted of a felony you lose that privilege, and no longer have the right to vote.
Aug 25 2013 6:49PM
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Jeebus.
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lol you know what those countries also did? Disarm their citizens, which im sure you are all for.. interesting...
Aug 25 2013 6:52PM
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Jeebus.
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Exclude?? Actually, it wouldn't "exclude" anyone, any american citizen can get an ID... most ID's cost about 15 dollars or so for a regular state ID. When i got my last drivers liscense i didnt have access to a SSC or a passport or my birth certificate, and it really wasnt a big deal at all.
Aug 25 2013 7:04PM
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CashmereCat
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Here's a hint; you're coming off as insanely stupid. I don't agree or disagree, but you instantly lose credit when you call people liberal tards. It makes you sound so smart.
Aug 25 2013 7:05PM
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PacificRimJob
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Are you saying that being convicted of a felony is the same as not having an ID?

If you're a law abiding citizen. It's a right. End of story. Don't even try to tiptoe your way around that.
Aug 25 2013 7:08PM
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MilaKunis
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Also a lot of states let them vote even if they are in prison.
Aug 25 2013 7:10PM
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PacificRimJob
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You really don't know your history do you.

You know at one point, every able-bodied man in those countries had a gun in his hand, or the training to use one, right? It's actually the direct opposite in those cases - they ARMED their citizens.


Aug 25 2013 7:11PM
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PacificRimJob
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So, when you got your drivers license, you didn't have proof of ID, and it was no big deal at all... Cool. So that means I'll just go to the DMV, say my name is "Gophuk Yorselv" and have a fucking field day.

OP: "It doesn't matter if you have to be properly Identified in order to get your ID, so long as you paid the 15$ to the government to have your ID when you go in to vote"

Hahaha.
Aug 25 2013 7:15PM
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Jeebus.
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Thats not what i said at all. The point i was making is that there are numerous ways of getting an ID. Therefore, it isnt a problem to expect people to have them, and it certainly shouldnt be a problem to present an ID when making major decisions for this country.
Aug 25 2013 7:22PM
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Jeebus.
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Clearly you don't know yours... "At one point" key part of that statement. "to conquer a nation first disarm its citizens." - adolf hitler.
Aug 25 2013 7:24PM
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PacificRimJob
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Whether that's what you said or not doesn't matter. If you didn't need to show that you were even born here to get your ID, then voter fraud isn't what we should be worried about.

So stop drinking the Rupert Murdoch Kool-Aid and get real.
Aug 25 2013 7:25PM
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Dustin.
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A right and a privilege are complete opposites. Are you kidding me? There is no possible way it can be a right and a privilege at the same time. Your above post proves my point, even though you don't understand it.

If you are going to bitch at others for spelling and such, you shouldn't use 5th grade writing skills and misspell words in your OP.

Finally, I refuse to discuss anything else you say if you insist on being so incredibly stupid. The policy isn't the problem here. The fact that someone so uneducated and outspoken as you has the audacity to speak out on politics and eventually vote is the reason society fails as a whole.
Aug 25 2013 7:26PM
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Twinjibber77
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So it's easier to give a fake name when you get busted my the 5-0? Come on, it's your responsibility to have a valid ID all the time.
Aug 25 2013 7:28PM
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Jeebus.
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A lot, huh? Only 2 states actually. Maine and Virginia are the only two states that allow convicted felons to vote via absentee while in prison. Nice try though.
Aug 25 2013 7:28PM
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PacificRimJob
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Yeah, Hitler sure disarmed his citizens, alright... Hell, he only armed half of Italy's citizens and re-armed Vichy France. He would have re-armed Britain too if they didn't absolutely crush him once they enabled Radar defense.

The point of that statement is to destroy your enemy's weapons, not use laws to remove their weapons.
Aug 25 2013 7:28PM
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PacificRimJob
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That's more than the zero you claimed before you googled. Haha.
Aug 25 2013 7:30PM
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Jeebus.
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And did these "citizens" happen to be part of his army by chance?
Aug 25 2013 7:30PM
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Jeebus.
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When was i bitching at others for spelling? I could give a fuck if you spell shit right, its the internet not a college thesis paper.
Aug 25 2013 7:34PM
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PacificRimJob
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Were the citizens of Yugoslavia or China part of the Soviet army? Shit, why is there a AK47 on Mozambique's flag? Were they part of Stalin's army?

You're failing.
Aug 25 2013 7:34PM
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.eljusto
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Vote Pedro.
Aug 25 2013 7:34PM
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Jeebus.
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right. Because arming your military, and arming citizens are totally the same thing.
Aug 25 2013 7:35PM
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