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Ski "filmers" are over rated.

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jsnow
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I just feel like filming any action sport is to easy of a " career " it doesn't really take talent you just follow a guy in the air til he lands. Fill it with b footage of trees and nature and shit for skiing or snowboarding, if it is bmx or skating fill it with streets and city life you have an edit. The only thing these " filmers " have going for them is that their mommy and daddy bought them the best equipment (splice) so they can get the best pretty shots. Anyone can make edits it doesn't take much, just a lot of money to spend on the best equipment. As far as talent goes you don't need any as long as the shots are super digital hd.
Jul 30 2013 11:05PM
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t_rob
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You consider splice a ski "filmer?"

Jul 30 2013 11:07PM
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Jul 30 2013 11:08PM
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jsnow
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no just using as an example , eheath has gone to far to use him .
Jul 30 2013 11:08PM
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t_rob
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Then you aren't making any sense because you sound like you're calling out the actual pros but then you just considered eheath too pro to count towards your thread?
Jul 30 2013 11:11PM
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TK.
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Fuck you OP..
Jul 30 2013 11:12PM
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jsnow
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no im calling him out, his edits are so so. I could make the same edits if i had the same equipment and the same talents of riders to film.
Jul 30 2013 11:12PM
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jordy19
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NOT TRUE AT ALL............... It never comes from the equipment its always the user.

Waiting for Eheaths response. Eheath do us all a favor and just ban him for a couple days so he gets sense
Jul 30 2013 11:15PM
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jsnow
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Jul 30 2013 11:15PM
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jsnow
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ok lets go over what a filmer does, white balance, focus, follow object, then put it on the computer add music. Easy. 
Jul 30 2013 11:17PM
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CheddarJack
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HAHAHA that's the stupidest thing I've heard all week. Camera equipment is a lot like ski equipment. It may look cool if it's expensive, but it certainly does not make you a better photographer or skier.

Riddle me this: If it's so easy to be as good as, say, eheath, why does he stand out so much?
Jul 30 2013 11:19PM
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skiierman
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Not true... you need to know how to color correct and shit of the like. That takes at least a season or two, from what I hear.
Jul 30 2013 11:21PM
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jsnow
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He is butt buddies with all the pros.
Jul 30 2013 11:23PM
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jabroni.
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INB4 EHEATH

"if its so easy then do it yourself... butthead"
Jul 30 2013 11:23PM
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FigNewton
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Have you ever used a glide cam and nice equipment. I used it for the first time this summer and it is quite hard to ski while making sure you are getting the skier in the frame. Glidecams can be tricky with the swivel handle.
Jul 30 2013 11:23PM
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.Rybak.
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There's also the different angles to film from. Some filmers and photographers go through some rough shit to get good shots especially in the bc.
Jul 30 2013 11:23PM
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jsnow
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Or you can youtube it . First result of search.


Jul 30 2013 11:25PM
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jsnow
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If I had the money and the talent to shot I would.
Jul 30 2013 11:26PM
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D_Smith
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Most of the follow cams my crew gets are to shaky to use. I don't know how pro filmers can get their shots so smooth. And putting together a good/ creative edit to music is more time consuming then you think. I have mad respect for all filmers out there.
Jul 30 2013 11:27PM
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jabroni.
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look at op (last sentence) compare it to this.
Jul 30 2013 11:28PM
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corona
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I kind of agree. a bit. sorta.

I always watch edits from big names and think "I could easily film and edit this". it's practically the only aspect of skiing where I can watch the high calibre shit and think that I could do that if given the chance.

I've only ever made one 30 second edit in my life too, from 5 minutes of footage and a shitty camera.
Jul 30 2013 11:31PM
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openmindportrait
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Really.... Is that honestly your thoughts... Let me give you an idea of the average day of a professional action sports film-maker... I'll just use myself and today... I am currently in Whistler as one of 6 filmmakers invited by GoPro to compete in a film competition for the Crankworx Mountainbike festival and am the sole filmer in a crew of 5 invited athletes... Today I hiked a couple miles... biked around 150000 vertical feet down whistlers finest (I race DH so trail difficulty didn't come into play) and that probably ended up being about 15 miles of total trail length... I was constantly working with equipment and stabilizers that take more time to understand and work with than you probably have devoted to anything in your bullshit excuse of a life... I was out for a good 10 hours today working my ass off and had the time of my life doing it... The amount of talent it takes is ridiculous... There are hundreds if not thousands of reasons why very few people get to the true point of professionalism, its incredibly tough and frustrating and there is without a doubt a certain eye you have to have to create amazing content... Now to address your other bullshit... Any good filmer spends hours working out that perfect B-reel to portray something that may add extra emotion and worth to the edit, not just shooting some trees and nature shit you ignorant fuck... Oh and I'd like too add the fact that I personally and just about every professional I know and work with funded their own career... I have spent thousands of dollars of my own to pay for what has now put me in a position where I am lucky enough to go to the places I do and work with the people I get to... I would like to address your blind comment "Anyone can make edits it doesnt take much, just a lot of money to spend on the best equipment" with this edit I included in my post that I shot with my old busted t2i on a full setup that didnt even break a grand in terms of value... Anyone who actually works in the actions sports industry will rip your ignorant ass to pieces... Please just stop... /End Rant

"Fortitude" with Dean Tennant on Pinkbike

Jul 30 2013 11:33PM
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WVskiing
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Inb4 eheath

But I kinda a agree. All of these points you guys brought up are not that great. Finding good angles. That requires standing where you get the coolest POV. And color and editing effects. I could learn a whole editing program in a week if I tried.

Now, I give a lot more props to people to it in the ski community because I love what they take the time to produce.( I will admit its time consuming)
But all of these other people are like " man, I am such a hipster and shit cause I go around take pics of stuff and filming interesting people and stuff" is what I have a problem with. /rant
Jul 30 2013 11:35PM
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jsnow
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I know it takes time and effort, talent not so much.
Jul 30 2013 11:36PM
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homestar
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Select angle, select lens (and know why you are selecting it), decide if you will be using any filters/ad ons to the lens, set up the audio/mic, set shutter speed, set aperture, set ISO (and make sure the previous three are compatible while getting a depth of field you are happy with), set up the white balance, choose values for sharpness, contrast, saturation, and color tone (for t3i, differs on some other cameras), keep the rider in focus, keep it smooth while matching the speed of the rider (for follow cams), export to computer, color correct, color grade, fix audio issues, choose song (that isn't crappy like 90% of what people use), export in a format that will upload well without losing quality (involves knowing quite a bit about video formats, codecs, bitrates etc.)

There's actually quite a bit more but I'm really bored.
Jul 30 2013 11:39PM
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openmindportrait
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Thank you... at least someone understands... And you add the fact that I and most others are shooting on much more complex cameras it can be even more work...
Jul 30 2013 11:43PM
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corona
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although everyone saying it's easy, I challenge you all to go make an edit (including myself, just don't have funds to film on anything other than a 10 year old point and shoot at 144p)
Jul 30 2013 11:43PM
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Skibumsmith
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There's a reason guys like Andre Nutini go to film school. because being a great filmer ain't easy.
Jul 30 2013 11:44PM
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family_vacation
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This guy understands.

I'd like to think I've spent a lot time filming skiing over the last couple seasons and I'm still learning new things every time I go out or fire up my editing software. The guys I look up to got that good because they put in a ton of effort. End of story.
Jul 30 2013 11:44PM
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jsnow
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Yeah but it isnt that hard. It is really basic shit, it is just like taking photos, but add in you have to make in edit.
Jul 30 2013 11:44PM
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openmindportrait
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I was shooting with Dre today! Rad dude!
Jul 30 2013 11:44PM
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openmindportrait
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Thanks Abe!
Jul 30 2013 11:47PM
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profa_212
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Okay....so by this theory if we gave you and let's say eheath or stept a t3i and took you to the same mountain with the same pros.....you would produce a just as good, if not better edit than them? I really want to try this out....I garentee that you will not.
Jul 30 2013 11:49PM
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Splice.
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Haha.
Jul 30 2013 11:51PM
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jsnow
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Yes I would.
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t_rob
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https://www.newschoolers.com/membervideos/173968.0/-JSL-
Jul 30 2013 11:52PM
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jsnow
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GTFO
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eheath
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MaxBerkowitz
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SHUT THE FUCK UP
Jul 30 2013 11:54PM
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jsnow
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Jul 30 2013 11:54PM
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profa_212
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Alright.......nope...that is so wrong.....I'm pretty sure eheath probably has a t3i or something along those lines.....I want you to prove yourself.
Jul 30 2013 11:54PM
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eheath
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Hate all you want, its hilarious.

The level of ignorance that you are currently displaying is common in a person who is mentally handicapped or is 5 years old.

It's okay though, I know you're trolling, of course you made this thread the day my 2013 reel comes out. Continue though, its quite amusing, keep telling me stories about how good you would be at filming.
Jul 31 2013 12:02AM
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WVskiing
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^HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA^
Jul 31 2013 12:06AM
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jsnow
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I can understand why you think I'm attacking just you and your so called career , but stop being an self loving ahole for a minute. I said of all actions sports and used you because splice was a bad first choice.
Jul 31 2013 12:07AM
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eheath
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Cool story hansel, I don't care. You're trolling, its very obvious the opinion you are expressing is a farse. You realize trolling is against the rules correct?
Jul 31 2013 12:10AM
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jsnow
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So my point of view to you is trolling ? Which I'm not doing what so ever .
Jul 31 2013 12:12AM
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OP: either
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Jul 31 2013 12:18AM
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D_Smith
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When op tries to make an edit

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johnk
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,
Jul 31 2013 12:25AM
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Downtofilm
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Nice troll op, better luck next time.
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