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SOFT SKIS

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virgin
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Im 170 cm, 60 kg. Skied park last season on 175 coreupt lunatics. They were way too stiff for me. Im looking for soft, buttery ski. I got good deal for 178 line chronics so I ordered them but Im worried are they flexible enough. I can still cancel them if I can find better ski for reasonable price. -400$
Jul 30 2013 6:55AM
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virgin
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huh
Jul 30 2013 2:47PM
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40oz.
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I have the Anthems and like I've said and will always say these are the most buttery all around best jib ski. Now that they don't make them anymore they make the TC which people say are the same but I am not sure as I have not gotten a chance to ride them. But if they truly are the anthems renamed for sure take a look at them
Jul 30 2013 2:53PM
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virgin
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I did consider them but they seem to be heavy
Jul 30 2013 3:21PM
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Twig
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the chronics are medium flex... the rocker makes them feel a little softer than they but they are probably stiffer than the lunatics. TCs or K2 domains are probably what you want.
Jul 30 2013 4:59PM
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virgin
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There is no ski stiffer than the lunatic. Seriously. And I have tried domains and they werent flexy at all :o
Jul 31 2013 2:26AM
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virgin
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Do you think doing that Max Hill thing would make them any softer :D
Jul 31 2013 2:29AM
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DBL
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Lol i think you're just too light? cause domains are super soft skis. If you want super soft abangs and blends (fat though) are noodles. Arv's are quite soft and by the looks of it so are Henrik's pro models, so those are more options, hope this helps!
Jul 31 2013 2:46AM
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virgin
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Afterbangs are not even an option :D And I cant get those armadas. The domains I tried were my friends, and like 159s. Would 178 blends be too big? I dont really want to get skis shorter than me considering that line skis run shorter and early rise makes them feel even more shorter (<- what I heard :D)
Jul 31 2013 3:37AM
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Twig
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Domains are alot softer than Chronics. There are a lot of skis stiffer than Lunatics, I can promise you that. 178 Blends are the softest (almost) park ski you can buy, I would go for those. 178 would probably be fine. I rode those and I don't weigh any more than you.
Jul 31 2013 1:13PM
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virgin
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Ty, there is just 1 problem. I already ordered those chronics a while ago. I think I could still cancel it but not find them or blends anywhere for as good price.
Jul 31 2013 2:00PM
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virgin
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Also do you think I can still hit jumps well and do tech stuff on rails on blends?
Jul 31 2013 2:05PM
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Twig
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you can do it but you will definitely notice the difference between the lunatics and a 100 waist ski. I'm not trying to say the Chronics are a bad ski, I liked them a lot for a relatively traditional park ski. The rocker makes them a little more buttery than some, you might love them but if you found domains stiff I can't really think of any narrow skis that are softer except maybe the TC (which don't feel heavy by the way).
Jul 31 2013 3:58PM
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virgin
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The ski doesnt have to be narrow. Idm 100 waist if it isnt too heavy. The domains I tried were my friends and 159s.
Jul 31 2013 4:40PM
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tomPietrowski
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If you found a 159 stiff why do you want to get skis almost 20cm bigger? I really think you would be best off with a TC in 171. Nice and soft and the shorter size will make them nice and light for you.
Jul 31 2013 4:58PM
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virgin
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They would be closer to 10 cm longer k2 running longer and line shorter. Short and soft ski feels unstable. And to be honest I didnt even ride the domains, just tried them on :D
Jul 31 2013 5:11PM
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tomPietrowski
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No I would say if anything closer to maybe 15cm prob a bit more, line dont run that short. And if you did not ride them how did you try them?
Jul 31 2013 5:17PM
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tomPietrowski
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Also just to add softer short skis will only be unstable if you are too big for the ie you are tall or weigh a lot. For you they would still be stable. Like I say if I can find a line ski stable in the same size your looking at you will be fine going down one size.
Jul 31 2013 5:18PM
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virgin
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I will still grow a bit, and I dont want to get new skis next season just because old ones got too short
Jul 31 2013 5:27PM
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tomPietrowski
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Well if you do grow and you have managed not to break them within a season sell them and get new. It's always best to have skis that work for you now, not something that may work in the future if you grow.
Jul 31 2013 5:35PM
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virgin
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I just dont get why you are so against longer skis
Jul 31 2013 5:57PM
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tomPietrowski
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I'm not against them in the slightest for people who need them. I ride 181 park skis for years. All I'm trying to help you with is getting the correct length for you.
Jul 31 2013 6:09PM
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virgin
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Why a bit longer than me wouldnt be correct lenght for me. I have always had skis longer than me. My silencers were 10-15cm longer. Took few days to get used to them.
Jul 31 2013 6:19PM
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tomPietrowski
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Well get what you want dude it your choice I was just trying to help by pointing out you don't need to get that big and you may infact find it easier on shorter skis. Good luck though hope you find something you like.
Jul 31 2013 6:22PM
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Wood_Wizard
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OP you should really listen to this guy, he knows his shit.
Jul 31 2013 7:44PM
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virgin
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVURAVvHTX4
Aug 1 2013 4:04AM
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virgin
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http://youtu.be/iVURAVvHTX4
Aug 1 2013 4:05AM
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virgin
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So I failed them both
Aug 1 2013 4:16AM
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virgin
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Henrik Harlaut rides skis that are way longer than he himself. Why would he do that if short skis are better and easier for butters and stuff? Just an example, Im not even close to him but still :D
Aug 1 2013 5:12AM
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tomPietrowski
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Because he rik is a very very good skier. Also his al dente you need to ski long as it has so much tip rocker. I skied that ski in 188 when I normally ride 181 or 176. So him being on a 177 really is not tht weird. It's still a smaller ski then you are looking at.
Aug 1 2013 5:22AM
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virgin
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171 TC would still be heavier than 178 blend or chronic.
Aug 1 2013 5:31AM
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tomPietrowski
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Maybe by a few grams but the swing weight would be lower on the TC so it would feel lighter skiing it.
Aug 1 2013 5:45AM
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virgin
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I dont know what makes the swing weight lower. Chronics have thinner tip and same early rise.
Aug 1 2013 6:06AM
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tomPietrowski
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It's the fact that they are shorter. If you have two skis with similar weight but one pair is 7cm shorter then the swing weight will be lower in the shorter pair as the weight is not as spread out. Even just 3.5cm each end can make a big difference in swing weight. Even going from a 181 to 176 makes the swing weight allot less on the shorter pair. It's why you can spin round a shorter pair of skis much easier.
Aug 1 2013 6:58AM
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virgin
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I thought you meant same size. My last skis were 175, longer than me and the lenght didnt affect my spins at all.
Aug 1 2013 7:28AM
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tomPietrowski
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But think how much you coul spin on a shorter pair. For about 7 seasons I rode 181 park skis this year I had to swap to 176 as that was the only size available of a new ski and it was so good. It wa so much easier to throw the skis around. Made me laugh that I had been on big skis for so long. But as I sai it totally depend on the ski. Like I said I skied the al dente in a 188 so I was using everything from a 171 in some ski to a 188. It really comes down to the particular ski. And at the end of the day park skis don't last long so if you decide you don't like the size it's not like you will have them for years any way.
Aug 1 2013 8:25AM
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virgin
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But arent line skis shorter than they say? And early rise should make them feel even shorter. Hard decision :D
Aug 1 2013 8:33AM
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tomPietrowski
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I never really noticed line skis being short. Early rise may make them feel a bit shorter. Last season when I was testing line skis for park they only had 171 and I could ski those fine if I was buying I'd go 176 for park or maybe 181 for all mnt. I really think you should wait and try some skis out next season. Even if there are no demos there must be some rental shops where you can at least try skis of differnt sizes.
Aug 1 2013 8:44AM
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virgin
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Its just that Im not going to find 178 chronics for this good price anywhere if I now cancel them and later realise they would have been good :D
Aug 1 2013 8:49AM
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tomPietrowski
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What deal are you getting that you can't get it later?
Aug 1 2013 9:05AM
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virgin
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Preordered them some time ago. Were cheaper than last years chronics anywhere.
Aug 1 2013 9:12AM
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tomPietrowski
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Preordered from where though is it pro deal or something? What other options did they have ski wise?
Aug 1 2013 9:21AM
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virgin
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Had all line, völkl and k2 skis. But I think its too late to change
Aug 1 2013 9:25AM
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tomPietrowski
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Well then just get the skis mount them up and see how you find them. If you don't like them, sell them an get something else.
Aug 1 2013 10:19AM
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virgin
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Managed to find line TC for 250 euros. Got both 171 and 178s.
Aug 1 2013 10:55AM
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virgin
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I mean there is both
Aug 1 2013 10:56AM
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virgin
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So I heard TCs are slower and hold wax worse than chronics. On my old skis I hated that I always needed more speed for jumps than others and waxing didnt help anything
Aug 1 2013 2:33PM
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tomPietrowski
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The chronic sintered I think so if you wax it ever couple of times you ride it they will stay good and fast. The TC is extruded I think so much harder but won't hold wax quite as well but you won't have to maintain them as much. If your not into waxing regularry an extruded base is a better option. If you like to maintain stuff and spend time waxing sintered are better. I would not really let the base determin your choice. If you had two skis where only the base changed think about it but when they are totally differnt think about other factors first.
Aug 1 2013 3:27PM
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virgin
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I dont mind waxing if it really helps something. Will TCs work on bigger jumps also?
Aug 1 2013 3:36PM
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tomPietrowski
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For someone your size they will be great on bigger jumps. You got to remember you weigh very little so what will be stable to you is differnt to wht will be stable to the majority of pros and other bigger guys on this site.
Aug 1 2013 3:38PM
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virgin
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Also found blends for great price. Trying to make decision :D
Aug 1 2013 3:46PM
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