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STH 12 vs. Mojo 12

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DeWindy
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Hey NS!!
Sorry for another binding thread. i couldnt find anything when i searched. I just wanted to know which one is better for me and why.

Salomon STH 12 vs. Head Mojo 12

Height: 5'11"
Weight:170
Skiing level:~3

+k for help!!
Jun 18 2013 8:55PM
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DeWindy
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Please help!
Jun 18 2013 11:30PM
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No.Quarter
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At your weight I would look instead at the STH 14 driver (or the Atomic FFG 14 Team, It's the same binding) and the Tyrolia/Head/4FRNT/Liberty/Amplid 15 din binding. You can definitely justify getting those din ranges. The STH 14 Driver and Tyrolia 15 din are essentially the same bindings you mentioned in the original post, but with a higher din range and improvements to areas where the bindings mentioned in the OP are inferior.
Jun 18 2013 11:40PM
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tomPietrowski
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Unless you are riding at 11 or above there is no real need to spend more on the 14 or 15 din version. People make the assumption that if you got up in the din range the binding changes when I fact it's not true. Generally only the very top binding in the din range will have any differences to the lower levels and these are usually minor.

Anyway regarding the sth an peak, you need to find out which sth it is. There are two versions of the sth 12, the driver and the oversize. The difference is the toe. You want to get the driver one not the oversize. The oversiZe is just a larger version of the z toe. Between the sth12 driver and peak 12, its close both great bindings. Peaks are a bit heavier but can usually be found cheap. Sth12 driver ha the benefit of the adjustable toe so as your boots wear you can adjust the toe to keep things tight. But overall you will be happy with either.
Jun 19 2013 7:04AM
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HyphyHusky
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The sth 12 drivers, as long as they say drivers! Are great.
Jun 19 2013 12:53PM
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DeWindy
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Thank you guys for all of your help. +k to all
Jun 19 2013 1:33PM
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_Jeffrey_
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i have the sth 12 drivers, love them. you won't be disspointed
Jun 19 2013 2:01PM
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DeWindy
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and also which one is more durable? i broke a pair of marker squires landing switch
Jun 19 2013 10:22PM
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Karma_Police
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That was the most contradictory post ever.

STH changes toe pieces on any din greater than 12

FKS changes toe pieces any din great than 14.

Idk, I guess I ride 13-14 din and have to know.

Get the STH, it's far superior. I don't hate on any binding (Sally, marker, FKS) besides tryolas/peaks/fischer
Jun 20 2013 2:50AM
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tomPietrowski
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The only sth driver toe which changes is the 16 and even then only slightly. And yes the top level FKS changes this is what I stated, that only the top level binding change.

If you can show me any evidence that a sth driver 12 toe and a sth driver 14 toe differ I would be very interested.
Jun 20 2013 6:49AM
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Freeskier_boi
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NEVER BUY MOJO , WORST BINDING EVER!

3 of my friends and I broke them in 1 month and we're not riding too hard.
Jun 20 2013 9:07AM
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tomPietrowski
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^ really what happened to them. From my experience they are a great binding.
Jun 20 2013 10:14AM
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DeWindy
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how did you guys break them?
Jun 20 2013 3:18PM
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No.Quarter
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And the mojo 15 toe is upgraded from the 12
Jun 20 2013 4:01PM
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Lemuel
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The mojo 15 is a much better binding than the mojo 12. Either get the STH with the driver toe or mojo 15's.
Jun 21 2013 8:02AM
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DeWindy
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I found a good deal on mojos so I am probably going to get those
Jun 21 2013 2:05PM
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No.Quarter
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The 15's? Please tell me where
Jun 21 2013 3:05PM
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tomPietrowski
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Yeah you can usually find the mojo 12 cheap. You won't be disappointed by it
Jun 21 2013 3:34PM
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DeWindy
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No I found 12's. still looking for some 15's
Jun 21 2013 3:59PM
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tomPietrowski
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12's will be fine mate. Unless you are using high din settings you will be fine with them. They are one of the only 12 din bindings I have used which worked for me. I use the sth 16 and sth 16 steels for reference.
Jun 21 2013 4:09PM
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DeWindy
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I usually use a din of around 8. I am going to get the 12's. thanks for all of your help!!!
Jun 21 2013 5:30PM
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tomPietrowski
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If your on 8 you are in the very middle of a 12 din range so that binding will be spot on for you. Enjoy them.
Jun 21 2013 6:09PM
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No.Quarter
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Just to make sure, which toes do you have on your 12's?

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Jun 22 2013 1:25PM
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bnewbs6
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The steels are amazing. Heavy, but amazing.
Jun 22 2013 1:45PM
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tomPietrowski
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Yeah the steels are great, totally uneeded over the sth 16 but they were free so a nice treat.

And to the guy above it was the bottom toe which I have used the most, but I think some of the demos I tried this season had that newer toe on.
Jun 22 2013 1:50PM
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No.Quarter
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I personally kind of wary toward the toe on the lower models/would much rather have the toe on the 15 and 18. Here is just another thought, next year, the only binding that keeps the toe design on the bottom is the 18, the highest din model.
Jun 22 2013 2:30PM
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tomPietrowski
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The bottom toe works great other then the sth 12 driver I think it's one of the better toe pieces in the market. They are also so cheap generally. For someone like the op only using a din of 8 I think it's a very good choice.
Jun 22 2013 2:36PM
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No.Quarter
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Look what I found! Last year's peak 12 with the better toe

Jun 22 2013 4:50PM
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Karma_Police
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14 STH

http://shop.aspeneast.com/browse.cfm/salomon-sth-14-driver-ski-binding/4,6340.html

12 STH

http://www.ridemteverest.com/ski/salomon-sth-12-oversize-ski-binding-2012/12-110601?gclid=CLnCjv3__bcCFeU5QgodEGIAAw

Maybe their new models have switched to the over sized toe but that's what I'm talking about.

Google works wonders ya know.
Jun 24 2013 8:59PM
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tomPietrowski
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Well obviously if you are comparing the sth14 driver to the sth 12 oversize there is a difference as its a completely different toe piece. But if you compare the sth 14 driver to the sth12 driver the toe pieces are identical.

And next season both sth's have the exact same toe piece so the 16 is identical to the 13.
Jun 24 2013 9:08PM
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tomPietrowski
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http://m.backcountry.com/salomon-sth-12-driver-ski-binding#hide_webclip

Here you go just invade you did not believe me about the sth 12 driver
Jun 24 2013 9:11PM
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last_tango
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What ever you do don't buy the non driver toe. I prerelease like a mother fucker from the toe at 14 din and I have the forward pressure set correctly.

With mojos keep an eye out on the brakes, they tend to break but replacing them is easy and almost every shop carries brakes. A buddy of mine did blow out a heel on mojo 15s but that was the model with the diagonal heel and they since then made the heels better.
Jun 24 2013 11:16PM
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Karma_Police
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interesting, I think I've seen those in a shop.

I guess the point to be made to the OP is make sure it has a driver toe.



Jun 24 2013 11:37PM
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DeWindy
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+k
Jun 25 2013 10:31AM
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