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sambob
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Hey, so after 18 years of skiing i'm doing my level 1 instructor next month, any tips on what to expect? Do's and don'ts etc... also if anyone's got some carvers they fancy lending me :P don't think ill be looked at seriously if i rock up in twin tips.
May 17 2013 4:42AM
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.Roockley.
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listen to what the examiner says, they are assessing you so they want to see you ski how they would ski

learn your lesson plan, go do a few runs where you'll be teaching to scope out a few places to stop and do drills (breaks the run up and takes up more time)
remember kids lessons should be fun, play games around the skiing

be positive, be confident. you're not going to make anyone want to come skiing again by being boring


good luck!


ps, if you know what lesson you'll be teaching pm me and i can help you with a lesson plan
May 17 2013 4:53AM
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NewEscuelers
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youre doing your instructor?
i mean.. start off with missionary and see where that takes you. cant beat the classics
May 17 2013 5:41AM
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dan1080
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^fail
May 17 2013 5:58AM
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tomPietrowski
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At level one its no as important but certainly as you go up higher getting your boots soaked in will be super important. The drills they will have you doing require a really good fit to be able to drive the skis correctly. Don't expect to be doing your higher levels in your spk's or full tilts. Now I disagree with most instructors that you need race boots but you will need some well fitted boots
May 17 2013 6:00AM
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sambob
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thanks for the feedback, and i have Salomon RS 90's mold fitted, make my feet cramp like a mother fucker though, worst waste of £250 ever they were... As for level one i know i'l be able to do it with these boots but as for 3 and 4 when i eventually get there i'll buy some race specific boots and ski's.
May 17 2013 7:22AM
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tomPietrowski
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If your current boots are causing you issues def go get them fitted before your course. Where did you have them fitted and what footbeds did you get. Also are you teaching indoors? If you can get up to the brighams at cas and have them fitted. The benefit is you can take them for a ski straight away.

As I said before dont worry about race boots if your in a wide boot like the rs you will not be fitting into a race boot. Well fitting boots are more important then what they are intended for
May 17 2013 7:32AM
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b.utters
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You won't need carve skis if you are only doing your level 1. As long as you can get some performance out of the skis doing a medium radius parallel turn then your examiners should pass you.

Which system are you being assessed in? NZSIA PSIA BASI CSIA? I'm not sure about the others but if they are anything like the NZSIA exams then you will get a run through of all the teaching scenarios that you can expect to be examined on. Bring a note pad and pencil and take notes of every exercise that they run through for each scenario. If you get told the teaching scenario you are going to be examined on the day before then practice it in your lounge room with parents/friends that night.

If you have been skiing for 18 years then you should be fine.
May 17 2013 8:43AM
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.Roockley.
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side note: i passed level 2 with hot doggers, just need the stiffer tounges!


if you are doing basi can i recommend getting out of it as quickly as possible and moving to another organisation, basi is up there as one if not the most expensive to register and run with
May 17 2013 9:44AM
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tomPietrowski
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Yeah up to level 2 you will be ok, but certainly if you want to go for the higher levels you will want your equipment dailed in. I used to work with a lot of instructors and there is a big difference between level 2 and 3.

Overall enjoy why you do, it's a treat getting to work on snow.
May 17 2013 12:22PM
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japanada
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PSIA level 1 is ridiculously easy. I was nervous too, but it was cake walk. Even on 191 surface one lifes. They are my teaching skis and the examiner got a kick out of it. And you dont need race boots for the upper levels. The head freestyle coach got his level 3 in hot doggers. Equipment doesnt out weigh the experience of the skier.
May 17 2013 1:23PM
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roddy116
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its more about how you present yourself in front of the group. don't get me wrong the knowledge of what you are teaching is important too, but they teach you everything you will need to know the day before the examination.
May 17 2013 1:28PM
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roddy116
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oh yeah i did the exam with ar7's set to dead center.
May 17 2013 1:29PM
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ShredMasterPlus
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If you fail your level one kill yourself. I've seen people that have never skied before learn how to ski in 5 days and pass it. Its basically a joke.
May 17 2013 2:10PM
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lukaturtle
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I passed level 1 and 2 CSIA on center mounted twin tips. It was no big deal, just do what the examiner tells you to do. As long as your a good skier. If your a little rusty on your technique get some carving skis as they make all that stuff easier. For level 3 and 4 you'd definitely need carving skis as the level of performance and nerdyness go through the roof.
May 17 2013 3:05PM
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Ksteez666
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i got my  level 1 this year on centerd maidens, all basic stuff, if youve been skiing for 18 years youll probly be the best in the class
May 17 2013 5:22PM
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NH_OPERATOR
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Afterbang like the steezy motherfucker you are everywhere you go, they will love that at the PSIA exam. Youll win the exam instantly.
May 17 2013 5:23PM
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Mag
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I thought level 4 was the stage of heliskiing haha
May 17 2013 5:28PM
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sambob
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thanks everyone, not gonna waste the money on some ski's that i'll never use again now, also i'm with BASI, and they are expensive as fuck, think it cost me £600 for the level 1, £42 membership, and i have to pass another first aid course (£100+) (even though i'm already first aid qualified) and i have to do the working with children thing (forgot its name) and again I've just finished Uni and my whole course was sports coaching so I've already got that too!

Whats hotdoggers? sounds interesting, may have to walk away from BASI and take one of these other routes. Also will these others governing bodies allow me to walk in with my BASI level 1 and start at level 2? bit of a bummer if not!

As for the person who asked where i got my boots fitted, i got them fitted at Sheffield Snow & Rock a few years back, only recently started skiing regular again, used 3 times in 3 years, past 5 months i've been hitting Cas twice a month at least, having to stay off the snow right now though, broke some ribs and dislocated a shoulder 5 week ago and im still in bits.
May 17 2013 8:28PM
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sambob
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ill keep that in mind :P
May 17 2013 8:29PM
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sambob
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snow & rock Sheffield, and as for footbeds i literally have no idea, i've been meaning to go get refitted and i'm considering new insoles, i'll drop in @ Cas next time i go and have a word with a boot fitter.
May 17 2013 8:31PM
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sambob
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if i fail my level 1 you can kill me, after 18 years if i fail i think i need to take up a new hobby lol
May 17 2013 8:32PM
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sambob
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yeh 18 years ... 3-16 i skied A LOT but since i turned 16 paying your own way in life takes its toll lol, 16-20 didnt ski much but now i try to ski at least 6-10 hours a month @ Cas, just haven't been in a assessment environment on ski's for so long its got me worked up, i went Wednesday though and ran threw all the basics, i can carve big or small, ski on either leg and turn fine, switch isnt a problem, my main problem is i've got in the really bad habit or not using my poles when i turn, this will be my downfall if any.
May 17 2013 8:36PM
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scrambledeggs
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it's very easy
May 17 2013 11:56PM
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tacobellslayer
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its very. very easy
May 18 2013 12:10AM
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Logan.
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For Level 1, park skis should be fine. It's pretty easy as long as you listen to what the instructor says and try your hardest to do what they tell you. Possibly most importantly make sure you ski safe all the time (respect slow signs and stuff) or they'll just not want to pass you. And be positive and not shy at all.

Just try hard and you''ll be fine!
May 18 2013 12:21AM
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lukaturtle
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Yea man don't stress it. Learning to pole plant is pretty easy, for level 1 at least. They don't care too much about timing and position of pole plants till level 2 and 3. Just don't put too much thought into carving, the Canadian system at least, doesn't teach carving (turning by only putting the ski on edge) they describe turning as a combination of putting them on edge and pivoting the ski. You can find videos on YouTube of the level 1 standards. But don't worry about it too much.
May 18 2013 12:41AM
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Ali_Dibden
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This is golden, they are boots made by Full Tilt and generally have a very flexible tongue.
May 18 2013 5:26AM
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.Roockley.
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do your level 1 with basi and then go for level 2 elsewhere

if i remember correctly even if you fail the candian level 2 you will still get csia level 1, it transfers over
May 18 2013 1:30PM
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snakerton
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Like many people said above, level 1 is super easy. Just make sure you study for the written exam. The ski part is a piece of cake.

Also I did mine on some old rossi s1 jibs and im training for my level 2 on 4frnt turbos. Twins are fine.
May 18 2013 9:47PM
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Backyard.Skier
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i passed my level 2 on bluehouse antics...

after that i got some single tippers as some people call them
May 19 2013 12:08AM
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DizzyG
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May 19 2013 12:16AM
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aleeeex
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Dos and don'ts? Don't do itttt. Instructing is the worst. The end.
May 19 2013 2:19AM
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lukaturtle
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Go with another teaching system if you can. I work with some Brits and they all say basi is over complicated and expensive. Apparently your level 1 is only dry slopes? The basi is derived from CSIA anyways and the visa level 1 costs about 400 and doesn't require the rest of those courses.
May 19 2013 3:14AM
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snakerton
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yeah except for 50 percent off on patagonia, lange, smith, atomic, rossignol, poc, hestra, technica, nordica, marker plus a bunch other...
May 19 2013 3:25AM
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localonvolkls
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level 1 is stupid easy, if you fail then quit skiing altogether because you suck.
May 19 2013 4:58AM
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localonvolkls
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WRONG. Best job ever, being outside, excellent pay, and your the boss. What the fuck is wrong with that?
May 19 2013 5:06AM
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Skiingsnow
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this is a really good response.

dont worry about your equipement unless its hurts. twin tips are fine for 1 &2 you need carvers for 3s but race boots still arent necessary. i ski on a slalom ski everyday and 140 flex race boots but i have been instructing for 3 years and i am a massive shin driver ( anything less than 130 flex i just fold in half) one of my buddies is a level 3 and a rookier examiner, much better skier than me, and weights about 20 kilos more than me too, and he wear a dalbello krypon pro.

May 19 2013 6:04AM
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TripleBlack
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If the organization you're doing it with (CSIA, PSIA, BASI etc) publishes standards for what you have to be able to do in terms of your skiing, figure out if you can actually meet those standards. Most of the time the wording (and video) for this stuff is really vague though.

May 19 2013 11:23AM
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Mag
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that's the requirements they say.
May 19 2013 12:26PM
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sambob
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well were sorted then because i know i can do both of those to a better standard than the guy on the video lol.
May 19 2013 1:54PM
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