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BS and complaining on NS anymore

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TheHuggyBear
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just my personal thought, and ill keep it plain and simple.

But damn this is NS not YoBeat. its really annoying getting on here anymore and seeing unwanted and unnecessary hate from a lot of the seasoned members...green blue and orange names.

You know who you are, I just feel like if you are not stoked on some of the actual skiing content that is posted then just dont reply. All you are doing is starting fights and clogging quality threads with BS.

thanks.

Mar 15 2013 1:16AM
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Hammyslapwagon
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fight me
Mar 15 2013 1:34AM
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eheath
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lol sick thread.




Did you really just make a thread about people HATING on NEWSCHOOLERS? you're joking right?
Mar 15 2013 3:58AM
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TheHuggyBear
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actually its mainly you and skiierman just being complete asses and starting fights that clog up just about every thread that i open. as someone that doesnt post all the time...its annoying as hell.

im not cussing up and down and furious, just annoyed
Mar 15 2013 7:48AM
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james6345789
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You're an ass and try to be the devil's advocate all the time.
Mar 16 2013 12:03AM
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eheath
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Shouldve seen this site in 2005, NS is pussy shit now.
Mar 16 2013 1:59AM
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fujarome
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I remember when I joined I made damn sure that my posts could not be hated on because it would have been relentless.

That's also why I browsed as a guest for well over a year before joining. I wanted to figure out how things went around here
Mar 16 2013 2:57AM
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SSteezle
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you're such a shitty mod


don't you have better shit to do? fucking pathetic
Mar 16 2013 10:54AM
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Hammyslapwagon
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Mar 16 2013 3:35PM
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SkiBum.
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Haha this.
Mar 17 2013 10:25AM
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Mag
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It's not like once he became a mod he was forbidden from anything other than moderating.
Mar 17 2013 1:34PM
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1337
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Hahahaha what else is he supposed to do? Not moderate the site but be a mod?
Mar 17 2013 5:12PM
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TheHuggyBear
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o ive been here long enough to know the ways. its just been stupid hate lately. I mainly lurk and dont let any of these kids get to me personally.

but the hate i see in threads isnt even funny anymore...just asinine is all
Mar 18 2013 9:04PM
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Parrish
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Mar 18 2013 10:18PM
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theblackrod
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To say ehv is clogging up every thread and starting fights is ridiculous. If eheath speaks you take it for the literal gold that it is. For the most part, his posts are usually rather good and insightful, but you wouldn't know if all you do is paroose NSG all day.

complaining about complaining. this thread hit a new low.

It's not unnecessary, it's the same idea as the grandfather complaining about the young crowd. The more seasoned members actually want this site to be what hooked them in the first place and so much more. Sorry we care about our site and all the idiots that are on here clogging it...


Mar 19 2013 4:39PM
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theblackrod
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The hate used to be so much worse back then. Being the new kid posting in forums drew so much attention and hate, now kids whine when they make stupid threads and get called out on it by one "older" member
Mar 19 2013 4:45PM
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TheClap.
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kids get bitched at in forums, makes thread bitching in SD

bhahaha go over to TGR and try the same shit. YOU WILL GET RIPPED APART.

I love NS for seeing kids cry about being bitched at.
Mar 19 2013 5:15PM
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theblackrod
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I'm glad to see him back
Mar 20 2013 11:03AM
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Mr.Bishop
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I met skierman once.

/claim
Mar 20 2013 11:14AM
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eheath
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Its called trolling
Mar 20 2013 3:29PM
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eheath
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You don't seem to understand what trolling is then. The fact you're this upset about how skiierman acts show how hard youve been trolled. He literally TRIES to make people upset, just like you're upset right now. Successful troll is successful.
Mar 20 2013 4:04PM
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SSteezle
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dude you're like a master of the internet or something
Mar 20 2013 4:18PM
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eheath
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I can see your hate boner from here.
Mar 20 2013 4:22PM
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theblackrod
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he's won all the internet challanges, even made it to the 36th chamber.
Mar 20 2013 4:32PM
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SSteezle
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you're trolling yourself
Mar 20 2013 4:32PM
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1337
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OWNED

also, this needs to be posted in every NS thread about trolling because 90% of you don't do it right
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Mar 20 2013 10:07PM
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Parrish
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Rowen needs to do a name throwback
Mar 21 2013 12:05AM
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theblackrod
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so true.
Mar 21 2013 8:54AM
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Mr.Bishop
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There's always been complaining.

There's always been complaining about complaining.

There's always been complaining about complaining about complaining.

This is a part of life, and as soon as you get enough people together sharing their opinions, then you get people who want to bitch and post bullshit. Its life.

If you supported the post rating system, you could be given an optional way to turn off the annoying stuff that only gets downrated.
Mar 21 2013 1:12PM
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Parrish
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That's saying if it doesn't turn into a popularity contest with NS seems to be like. The reason it works for reddit is its an anonymous community for the most part (if you don't count tags in RES or the RES's this user's score from your comment/content votes, as well as small sub reddits). People here know eachother, lots of which in real like whether it be bad or good. Most of the downvotes I see are just to downvote people they don't like regardless of what they say. They upvote their friends and downvote people they dislike for whatever reason.

Look at skiierman, I have nothing against him but many people just absolutely hate him with a fiery passion. Hell he could make a wonderful post about how something is and it would probably be downvoted because many take him seriously as an asshat. It's not a post by post basis like reddit is.

As for this thread, yea people bitch at eachother, its part of newschoolers and honestly it isn't even that bad, go over to TGR and you'll get your shit rocked. Say something bad on reddit and you'll be called out massively. OP cry more and suck it up, its the internet.
Mar 21 2013 2:28PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Reddit is completely different, as its not forums. It also isn't anything special, its just a standard commenting setup where there's voting and the conversations are threaded vs. linear.

I'd challenge you to actually look at the data and make sure that your assumptions are correct. For the most part, though it seems like it might go in the direction you're thinking, I'm not sure you're correct. So far, people have been upvoting good and downvoting bad, regardless of who it is. Skiierman would get downvoted a lot because he's a dick a lot - that is who he chooses to make his personality.

As well, something like that would never, ever, ever be default. It would simply be a feature that we could allow some people to use. Plenty of forums have a feature allowing you to block posts from certain users.

If teh data is there then we have the option. The NS community isn't as immature as everyone likes to make it out to e either. Its pretty normal for interwebz standards, and if the system is right people will push to keep it working.

Mar 21 2013 2:35PM
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eheath
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Doug, please, never do this. If people want "negative posts" (arguably the most entertaining) hidden they can go to reddit. People wont even respond to a thread and just downrate a post of someone they dont like (ie me, ive seen it a couple times where i had a completely neutral post and it had -2 or -3 just because people dont "like" me)

Please don't make NS reddit, please.
Mar 21 2013 2:41PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Get over the reddit thing, reddit does not hide bad posts at all. They re-order comment threads, and a great deal of the time bad comments get upvoted.

I downvote your stupid fucking posts too when you're just being an asshole. You don't get voted down because people don't like you, you get downvoted because you act like a tool a lot of the time.

There are a huge amount of people that don't like looking at worthless hate, me included. Sure its funny, but not when its fucking dumb as shit. Funny hate posts will get upvoted, I'd bet you anything.

Mar 21 2013 2:49PM
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Parrish
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I never called it immature, honestly I think NS gets a bad rap of being chalked full of 12 year olds.

But having a system that in a way slows down postings by multiple members. Why add to the conversation when you can just upvote someone else's shit or downvote the asshat that was "wrong" in your eyes without putting your opinion out there? It slows down the forum to where people don't get replies or really interest after a certain point. I'm not trying to take this to the extreme of its "going to kill the forums!!!111", but it's either going to restrict posting from people(in both good and bad ways) or just become meaningless like karma.
Mar 21 2013 2:49PM
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SSteezle
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Mar 21 2013 2:53PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Because of the 90/9/1 rule of the internet.

Only 1% of the people that come to NS actually ever post. The voting system gives 11% of the traffic the chance to rank what is being said. I doubt very much that people who like to post will be silenced by the fact that they can just click an up or downvote button.

You're reacting emotionally without looking at facts. There are huge numbers of sites on the internet that allow ranking of posts, and it doesn't slow people from posting at all - most of the time it increases it because people can easily find the stuff they want to post on.

Mar 21 2013 2:55PM
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eheath
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I don't care if people downvote me when im being an asshole, but when i post a perfectly neutral post, ie someone says "what color is the sky" and ill say " the sky is blue" but my post is -3 because people dislike me because of other posts i might make. this will happen with other people too like jamie, gus, skiierman, ar6, etc members that might be dicks for fun on ns because well thats what people do on ns. i doubt any post ive made in the past two weeks has a positive rating and i think its safe to say 1/2 of those posts are neutral and/or helpful.

Just trying to post my opinion and give you guys feedback.

But its not your fault NS is getting insanely soft, this thread is a great example. In 2005 if you made a thread like this you'd get "owned".
Mar 21 2013 3:01PM
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Mr.Bishop
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https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/740460/page/1/

That is a thread of you posting like a normal person, where you are getting the occasional upvote and neutral positioning.

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/740385/page/2/

Boom another page in a thread where you make good points, are helpful and get upvotes.

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/739533/

Now there is you getting your panties in a knot, and doing your best to lash out at people. You're stating your opinion, but you're clearly being hostile about it. Downvotes galore.

I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with the idea of people fighting or being completely obliterated for stupidity. Hell, I think lots of days its great that this kind of shit exists in skiing - its good that we all have our opinions.

however, people need to stop making assumptions about a broken voting system that is going to ruin the website. Its working almost flawlessly, and we haven't even done anything with the data yet. When making a statement, back it up with data.




Mar 21 2013 3:17PM
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eheath
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Some good research there. Id agrue the first thread was at like 4am and no one was there but the second thread is a good use of the rating system, 15 people agreed with the person i nominated for thread.

Now the 3rd, im glad you posted this. I will admit i got carried away and whatever but my ORIGINAL post was a simple opinion. who cares if you agree with it, i was completely entitled to what I said and would argue it didnt deserve -50. I went on in that thread calling out kids for not talking shit and just downvoting me, which i think is the worst part of the new rating, its very passive aggressive and promoted people to not post their opinions but simple just downrate a post. Maybe this is what you guys want people to do, but i think its a cop-out. if a kid wants to disagree with me, i want them to say it, not hit downvote. Maybe im just too far gone with the forums, i tell myself every day i should just stop posting.

Whatever tho, i understand you guys are just trying to expand the forums and rating systems. you guys have so much more going on on the back end that any of us could even fathom. I just dont want the heart and soul of NS to be gone aka talking shit and trolling.

Please never make it so you can hide posts or have positive posts on top and negative on the bottom. As long as you guys don't do that I won't care what you do with the rating stuff.
Mar 21 2013 3:28PM
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Mr.Bishop
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See I think the thing with that 3rd thread is that you made an opinion, but it was one that wasn't necessarily agreed upon. You didn't really make it in an eloquent fashion, so it could be up to interpretation as to whether or not it was an attack. In that case I think its less of your reputation and more of your actions in the rest of the thread that enhance the negative spin on what you were saying. Like as I read it, if your first post was isolated I'd think it was a neutral post, but with how you acted the rest of the time it changed the connotation of the first one.

I also don't think anything would be different whether or not there was ratings. The exact same amount of shit would have happened - which was a few people getting in a super heated argument amongst themselves. This is how it goes on sites that thread their conversations, the few people that just want to start namecalling simply break off into their own little world and call each other idiots repeatedly. Then the rest of the site up and down votes that conversation based on if its funny or just childish.

The question is why would you care if people had the ability to sort posts differently? Do you have something deep inside of you that needs others to see your trolling hateful posts? Why can't someone else feel that the 'heart and soul' of NS is helpful discussion vs. taking shit and trolling?

The fact is that as things grow there are more people with different needs. We need to help everyone tune their experience to sort through the stuff they don't like.

Hell, with ratings, you could sort everything into the most negative troll-fest hatemongering threads of all time and get your rocks off fighting to oblivion with people that wanted to do the same thing. I'd for fucking SURE look at those threads, as it would be absolutely hilarious.

Overall nothing is changing other than we want to have the ability to give people a customizable NS experience.
Mar 21 2013 3:47PM
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eheath
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I guess I'm just afraid of change. NS is in my roots ive been posting here for 9 years, ns is the internet to me ya know? You know what im talking about, I KNOW you know the old days. But, its 2013, not 2005, things change. Im sure ill get used to it and in a month i wont even care, im just being an old hag who doesnt want things to change. People like me arent the majority on NS anymore so you guys are right to appeal to the masses.

Overall, ratings to matter to me because I look at a ton of threads, i might miss one or two here and there but i dont need a top rated list or a least rated section to see the best/worst post. I know there are other like me but there are way more people who arent me.
Mar 21 2013 3:52PM
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1337
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Not sure if you can see this or not Doug, but has there been less karma exchanged in the forums since the rating was installed? like, instead of downvoting before, people would just 0/10 the user
Mar 21 2013 3:57PM
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theblackrod
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talk about doing your research...
Mar 21 2013 4:04PM
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theblackrod
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This is insanely true. I learned quickly on NS to not make just pointless threads or rant/whine, because you got demolished by the more elder/tenured members.

I also think this is a bigger issue of the direction the country has taken. They hand out medals to everyone in little league now, some leagues don't keep score because they don't want the "losers" to feel bad. It no only makes said kid feel good for the time, but it makes him weaker in the long run. The job market is as competitive as anyone can believe, people aren't going to just hand out jobs because they feel bad about your feelings...

There is a general "softening" in the entire country and the younger/newer NSers use the forums to whine and complain about everything when one member has something to say or disagree. Sadly it is something that can't just be changed by newschoolers, but our entire country has to do divert the direction it's headed.
Mar 21 2013 4:14PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Its not about you not being the majority on NS anymore - you are the absolute core of the site and are an extremely important part of it. What my challenge is at the top level is to keep your experience good while assisting others to tweak things the way they like it.

Change is always scary - especially when you just assume the worst. We put a huge amount of thought into what we do, and we always follow the data. If something doesn't work we'll back off it - but not until it actually doesn't work.

You said it right there that ratings don't matter to you because you're a complete forum junkie and you look at everything. There's a bunch of people on this site that are exactly like that, and are a huge part of what makes the conversations so entertaining. However, there's an immense amount of other people that don't have the time / patience to keep up with that, and as such they lose the magic of Newschoolers over time.

These systems are designed to help those people dive in somewhere and find the love for the place they once frequented every day.

Don't fear change - embrace evolution. That is what we're doing. Hell things that stay the same forever get massively boring, and people end up leaving eventually. We must push forwards if we are to last into the long future, so just do your best to grow with us.

Also never hesitate to strongly post your opinions about stuff we do. Last thing we want is for people to harbor anger without saying anything - we just want a chance to show why we're doing things and showcase some of the cool stuff we've got in store.

Think about it like when the iPhone was released. Everyone (including me) said it was the stupidest thing ever. Look at the world now, and look at how Apple would have been if they'd listened to the naysayers that didn't want change.

Mar 21 2013 6:20PM
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TheHuggyBear
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This thread escalated fast haha

Other people have stated what I was getting at and others are just completely ignorant to the fact. As bishop said and I have said some hate is just stupid and unnecessary. NS is NS and I know that, I havent been here 9 years but I have definately logged my time into this site.

as far as voting, this thread is the voting system working at its finest imo. It personally doesnt bother me too much. i like the fact that it doesnt hurt the threads too much, and i like that I dont have to open a thread to know if its worth while or not. Its cool to see the data behind it too.
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