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skiiers and the enviroment

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guddgulf17
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as skiiers, we have a duty to respect the areas we play on and claim as sacred, not only to ourselves, but also to the whole united states, and other countries that just dont seem to get it. the bush administartion is reluctant to enter in any treaty that means they will be forced to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, on the basis that it will reduce american jobs. what they dont seem to realize is tha tif they screw the planet over, and it goes to hell on us, there wont be a place for american jobs. now i am not claiming that the divided states of america is the only nation with problems, but it is an example. they are threatening are way of life!!!! if it gets too warm, it will eventually stop snowing. this may sound ridiculous, but the facts are that arctic latitudes are facing historic changes in temperature, glacial melting and abrupt weather changes. (the washingtom post, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23541-2004Nov3.html) this is a threat to our livelyhood, and to do something. email your states congress people or representatives, because this is important for the survial of skiing and its future. thanks for reading my rant

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Nov 5 2004 10:12AM
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SkiBumDreams
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look at this from a stance of geologic time, this trend is natural. However we are helping it along slightly faster (in the big picture the human effect on global warming is extremely minute, but it is still there). The world needs to invest more money in developing different fuels to run our everday lives on, the technology is there it just needs to be refined and accepted, if i could buy my truck with a hybrid or alternative fuel engine i would but thats not gonna happen anytime soon
Nov 5 2004 11:52AM
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wilkesyachtingco
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if this year so far is a result of global warming, then i say bring it on.















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Nov 5 2004 12:07PM
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d-loc
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^ummm yes it will happen, wait what am i saying it already has happend.

the Civic GX... runs only off Natural Gas and nothing else. has no emissions, same horse power as standard civic. same body, same space, same EVERYTHING except it runs on natural gas.

the RX8 HYDROGEN has all the power of the standard RX8 and all its features yet it runs of hydrogen atoms and such.

diesel can run off vegitable oil and other similar compounds.

everything i have mentioned is not even a hybrid they are just a straight element used to power the vehicle. their are many hybrids out on the market, toyota having one hybrid that u cant buy for 4 years because of the waiting list. hondas hybrid gets 70 miles to the gal on the highway or sometimes more.

now speculations say that sometime a decade or longer 2 people figured out how to power a car off water, H2O, and then they were assasinated by the government. killed because the gov. knew they would lose their biggest source of income, OIL by OPEC. so they had to get those 2 genious off this earth and destroy the plans.

now u can disbelieve the H2O car all you want but dont you think by now, after making combustion engines since the Ford Model T back in 1908, we would have some other way to make a car get from point A to point B? thats almost 100 years of knowledge and new technology and we still have nothing to show for it but gas guzzling navigators, explorers, tahoe's, excursions, etc.

isnt it about time we get the H2O car rolling and stop the oil bullshit?



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Nov 5 2004 12:08PM
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punk_rider
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i learnt international law, WTO law and studied the Kyoto protocol: there's a fact: it's NOT a treat y about envirronment. this protocol has ONE goal: asking to decrease emissions in order to decrese the economical power of countries whose economy is based on oil. Europe uses way less oil in its economy than USA. If usa applies the protocol, it will mean a decrease for its economy. Kyoto is an economical treaty, and that's the reason why whether they were dem or rep, US governments refuse to ratify it.
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Nov 5 2004 12:12PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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the american government? cause... we dont make any money off opec imports. the danger would be refinery jobs. thats it though... i think that, as usual, youre nuts.















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Nov 5 2004 12:12PM
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KingShit
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In your last paragraph I would have to totally agree with you on that d-loc...


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Nov 5 2004 12:13PM
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wilkesyachtingco
Posts: 4425 - Karma: 41
yes punk rider! youve hit this one on the head.















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Nov 5 2004 12:13PM
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aggro_sk8
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punk_rider did get that right. as for developing hybrids and water cars, i think that would be awsome. i also dont think that its the goverment's job. there sould be massive social pressure on companies to do a better job. yes, there is pressure, but until people stop buying new gas guzzling SUVs for massive profits nothing will happen. this is basic supply and demand. people demand new cars, and dont really care about the fuel. so, when the demand is greater than is, car companies will lose money by not developing hybrids and such. i hope that made sense.

fyi d-loc, youre a fucktard if you believe that theory
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Nov 5 2004 1:37PM
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to respond to the original message, if the earth continues to warm, a increase of 4.5 degrees Celcisus is predicted inthe next 50 years in the high altitudes, but that will only increase snowfall as the cold artic air masses will be able to hold more moisture, and decreased ice cover will allow more moisture to be available.

the problem with snowfall is of course in the lowerlatitudes where increased temp will shorten the winter. bush is a turd sandwhich for not sgning kyoto because of economic concerns, but he has promised a homegrown method...which appears to be opening more coal fired plants....what a fucking idiot.

to the second post. this is not anatural cycle. in the past 100 years world temps have increased more than anyother 100 year span time in history. greenhouse gas levels are at levels unseen before (except when the earth was still equailizing, and plant life was changing the atmospheric composition, and perhaps during extention periods when water vapour was in the atmosphere in huge levels). we are at a very important time in our earth where we must decide wheter to carry on filling the atmosphere until its too late, or we can act, take the first step (kyoto) then we can build on that.

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Nov 5 2004 1:47PM
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it doesn't matter if he hit it on the head or not...US as the biggest environment polluter should wake up and sign that protocol, becasue along its economical effets, it DOES lower the bad impact on the environment.




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Nov 5 2004 1:48PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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thanks boards! youre a genius! but my name is all one word. i had to think long and hard before i realised you were talking to me!















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Nov 5 2004 2:00PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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yeah but being selfish is just so much easier than concerning yourself with petty matters like the environment. and what is outside, really, but the space between your car and your office right?
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Nov 5 2004 2:02PM
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punk_rider
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i love to see the earth warming! if north pole is hotter, then the gulf stream will stop in france and we will get snow 9 month per year! alps will turn to alaska! that's gonna be cool!
ho! wait! even if it's better here and worse there, it's gonna be in 100 yeras and you will all be dead!!! our children! i do not care! earth can turn flat after me, as soon as i could ski my whole life .... nevermind! (cynic? selfish? yeah!)

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Nov 5 2004 5:08PM
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skifree919
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Thank you people for paying attention to the environment. This is my biggest concern with the Bush administration. Sure the war in Iraq exists, but hey, whether we like it or not something was going to happen their anyways. Bush is a terrible environmentalist. He is letting 'independent' companies drill for oil in the ANWR, he is encouraging economic growth over environmental concerns, and he is making it a hell of a lot easier for people to bring snowmobiles, more cars, and more exposure to national parks. Unfortunately, the average american is too dumb to care about this stuff, and thus we have him for another 4 years.



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Nov 5 2004 5:48PM
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Schmitz
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yes^ it pisses me off. Bush dosn't give a shit about the environment, 'now the war is of all importance' but in the long run we are going to kill our self and our sacred snow and glaciers.
Now rosevelt was a good president environmentally

oh, and he's going to drill in alaska!!




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Nov 5 2004 5:51PM
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jarossamdb7
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''if this year so far is a result of global warming, then i say bring it on''

it is predicted that in the US, the climate will get colder becuase of the cold water from the glaciers in the golf stream.
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Nov 5 2004 6:08PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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predicted by who? as far as ive seen its a 5 degree increase across the board, much more than that nearer the poles. i think europe is supposed to get colder though... here in the NW... lots and lots of warm rain.
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once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary
Nov 5 2004 6:12PM
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TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsJik
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I heard the estimated effect of golbal warming is something like .001 degree every 100 years.

Is that an accurate figure?


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Nov 5 2004 10:50PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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no.
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once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary
Nov 5 2004 10:50PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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heres an old article which will tell you otherwise, newer articles will make the figures much larger.

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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary
Nov 5 2004 10:52PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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another article from 2 years later, this one Nat. Geo., states 'temperatures have been rising about 0.06 degrees Celsius each year since the mid-1970s'

Nat Geo Article
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary
Nov 5 2004 10:54PM
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Crystal-needs-a-park
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whoring it up with more articles that no one will read:

article 3

article 4

cbs article

read carefully, this is bad for most of us...

just to be fair

bbc
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary
Nov 5 2004 11:04PM
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punk_rider
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WHO CARES? we will all be dead before any effect!

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Nov 6 2004 6:37AM
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you'll be dead before 2050? thats odd....quite young.

nice comeback anewmorning..thanks for the time.
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Nov 6 2004 12:31PM
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sacha
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I do agree with the ideas of hydrogen powered cars, etc. but the problem is that those cars cost almost double the price of a normal gas-powered car. Human greed is the problem here. If electric or hydrogen powered cars costed less, we might see a decrease in emissions but why would someone buy a car that runs n hydrogen if hes the only one who has one? it wont make a difference unless everyone buys cars like that, which is very unlikely.


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Nov 6 2004 12:40PM
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skifree919
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have you checked hybrid car prices recently? There are a few around 20,000. Also, eventually it would pay for itself for gas. 45-60 mpg what?? But of course americans are retarded and have to get SUV's to drive around the city in to prove their manhood. Why cant people be more intelligent? I dont get it. It will benefit us all!



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Nov 6 2004 3:12PM
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reBlocke
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Thanks for the articles anewmorning.
I had a talk with my dad the other day (he is a geology prof.) and he pretty much concures with the articles anewmorning linked to (there is humand induced global warming)



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