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Anyone else think its not guns, but Big Pharma. And the wrong approach to the mentally unstable?

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SnorkBoard
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I already had my rant in the gun thread but I'd like to hear your opinions and ideas on the subject, anyone our there agree?
Dec 22 2012 9:35PM
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panojibber.
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My opinion on Big Pharma: Another ideology just like religion or ecology or science (let the shitstorm begin, I know that won't go over well).

I think anger is the other side of the suicide coin, so to speak. Hopelessness can either manifest itself as crushing self-hate and sadness or incredibly destructive anger. That's why suicidal people are often considered to be "A danger to themselves AND others." Murder is just as irrational as suicide, so to speak.
Dec 22 2012 9:37PM
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panojibber.
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That is to say, I don't think you can blame big pharma for all these school shootings and misfit kids who hate the world.
Dec 22 2012 9:38PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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Yup. And i think it has a lot to do with family structure. Its more common now then ever before to have single moms/dads and broken familys, as well as all around sucky parenting due to a lot of things. A good family structure is absolutely key to psychological growth for kids. Divorces and broken familys are also a major part
Dec 22 2012 9:39PM
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Dec 22 2012 9:39PM
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ski.cats
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quit trying to take the light away from guns. the level of firepower present in the US has no place in modern day society.  given the strength of the US military, the second amendment has no real practical application. although the spirit behind it has tremendous value, nobody is overthrowing those motherfuckers ever. you can still hunt with a bolt action rifle or shot gun and you can still defend your home with such.  weapons primarily suited for killing multiple beings in a short amount of time do not belong in the hands of the untrained. we dont need a war on guns, because obviously such blind tactics do not work (the war on drugs for example). we do however need unanimous preventative measures across the country to not make it so easy for dangerous people to have such ease of access powerful tools, while at the same time trying to keep these people from getting to that point of madness to begin with.  for those opposed to gun control, you should really ask yourself what you are willing to sacrifice (in this case, a gun hobby) for the sake of potentially saving lives.
Dec 22 2012 10:20PM
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SnorkBoard
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I already regret putting guns in the title.


I'm not going to even read your post and turn this into another of the countless pro/anti gun control threads already on here. There already multiple threads on the first page so take your argument in there please.
But if anyone want to share how they got over there depression, interactions with pharmaceuticals, healthy life style changes or anything else that chances are I'm guessing many of you are too young to have ever had to dealt with post up in here.


Dec 22 2012 10:31PM
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Dec 22 2012 10:32PM
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alex=
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DIVORCED/BROKEN FAMILIES ≠ MENTALLY UNSTABLE CHILDREN. Just because my parents are divorced doesn't mean I'm mentally ill and have tendency to shoot up schools. Stop making this generalization and go back to watching Fox News. Ever since the massacre I've heard numerous times, from educated people and students, that "children from broken and divorced families have a tendency to be psychologically stunted and be more angry and violent." That is nothing but a fallacy, and anyone who sports that opinion needs to actually go out and meet someone from one of these shunned "broken families" and see just how normal we really are. If anything, you're family is 'broken' if you're teaching your children that lie. My apologies for the rant
Dec 22 2012 10:37PM
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ski.cats
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you spelled "i read your post. it makes sense. i cant really argue against it with any logical reasoning, so i am going to pretend its not there and keep watching fox news" wrong
Dec 22 2012 10:37PM
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SnorkBoard
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I really didn't even read it.
Dec 22 2012 10:39PM
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SnorkBoard
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So here is a thread for the ones that aren't guns?


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Not to derail this but big pharm. companies are the ones that need to be checked out. I stared working a doctors office and the amount of people on anti-anxiety and depression medication is sickening, and this is coming from someone that was on them myself for a while. Messing with brain chemistry is crazy stuff, and if you look into research most of the time a drug is released they have know idea how it works them selves. Like theres this one drug that alot of people had prescriptions for thats name escapes me. But its related to SSRIs and originally created to cure anxiety and depression. But in tests they found that subjects lost weight and did nothing for depression. So instead of calling it a failure, they slap a different label on it and market it for obesity and weight lost, having no Idea why that works. IMHO all these so called mental illnesses like anxiety, depression and what ever the hell you take xanax for are all made up bullshit designed to get you hooked and make money. So your feeling depressed? Alright, look around you. Are you fat? Do you eat healthy? Do you exercise on a regular basis? Do you work a shit job that you hate or aren't passionate about? Well obviously you aren't going to be happy and hate yourself if you aren't doing the things that make you happy and aren't taking care of yourself, That gray feeling that I had and many other depressed people can relate to is your bodies way of saying "this shit sucks, I'm running on shit and don't want to get up to go to a place I'd rather not be, I'm staying in bed".


K that got out of hand but the point is if all these tragedies have made people realize anything, If your depressed, suicidal or thinking about killing your self and others, I can't think of a worse thing then taking chemicals that the creators of said drug don't even know how they work that are designed to change up the way your brain works.

Dec 22 2012 10:42PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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Yes I do. I was actually having this conversation with some of my heavily armed, responsible, gun toting family members last night. Threads for when not on mobile.
Dec 22 2012 10:42PM
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SnorkBoard
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Hey man I will agree that saying all of those situations lead to fuck up kids is definitely generalization. But I really think having a good supportive family is important to a kids psychological development. Does this mean that this can't be achieved living in a divorced house hold or being raised by a single parent? Defiantly not. People make it work a lot of the time. But I think hes saying its broken house holds that lead to broken people, that lead to more broken house holds. Places where parents fight and hit each other are not normally thought of as producing first right citizens, unless the kids strong and has some sort of outlet then yeah they can go on to do great things.

I personally don't have a problem with divorce especially if that means getting two incompatible unhappy people away from each other so the kid can grow up in a healthy environment.
Dec 22 2012 10:57PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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I never said that its a guarantee. I dont watch fox news I live in Canada. I said that a good family structure is important for psychological growth. That doesnt mean that if your parents are divorced your gonna be crazy I have tons of friends from broken familys and there awesome caring and compassionate people. And that doesnt mean that single parents are gonna raise psychos. But bottom line is kids grow best/in the best environment in a two parent multi gender family. I just said there is some correlation there, correlation does not mean causation.
Dec 22 2012 11:04PM
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alex=
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I wasn't attacking you, I just C+p'ed a FB status I had wrote on it. There may be a correlation, I can see it, but I'm catching a lot of flack from yuppies who think all kids from single parents are shooters, or that all shooters come from broken homes, or got assault weapons or some dumb shit.

Idk man. I'm just pissed. Media has taken this thing way overboard.
Dec 22 2012 11:43PM
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B.Snow
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Dude... I honestly think that by either eliminating the sale of assault weapons or creating/implementing a system of gun registration will decrease the incidence of gun related homicide... basically it comes down to - the more guns you take out of the equation, the less deaths(from guns) you will have. Its as simple as that. If you try and argue that point, you are either fucking ignorant, or mentally handicapped.

Yes I realize that there are fucked up people in society, but if its exponentially easier to buy a gun than it is to get a psychologist/ help for people who have serious mental issues, then we have a serious problem.




Dec 22 2012 11:59PM
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B.Snow
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I honestly think that by either eliminating the sale of assault weapons and*** creating/implementing a system of gun registration will decrease the incidence of gun related homicide
Dec 23 2012 12:03AM
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SnorkBoard
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Please bring your opinion to the appropriate thread, If I could change the title I would
Dec 23 2012 12:04AM
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B.Snow
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oh fuck sry i'm a bit drunk, my apologies... I agree with you. It is important to realize that when it comes to large pharmaceutical providers, their main goal is to maximize profits. When this is the case, morality and ethics disappear fucking quickly. It becomes less and less about actually helping people/solving problems and more about making money.

It can be simplified to a situation where an individual can pay say 20$ a month for prescription medication or pay double that(or definitely more) for the help of a psychologist.
Dec 23 2012 12:19AM
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yourthemannowdog
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Holy shit yes. Whenever someone raises a major social issues (like mass shootings, obesity, drugs etc.), I try and get the conversation on this track ASAP. This is not to say that some social issues are the result of one thing, but to subdue any elementary responses. It is easy to tunnel vision our way to the answer by keeping on the same topic (i.e. guns or psychology), but we can learn a lot from the relationship between different topics.
Dec 23 2012 12:43AM
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Gnarbangalakazoo
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I couldn't agree more. Right on.
Dec 23 2012 12:45AM
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