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University cops vs. Douchebag

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alex=
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http://www.brobible.com/college/video/university-of-kentucky-student-police-dorm

Watch some university cops fight with a douchebag. Not sure if unwarrantable search + seizure applies to campus dorms, but if it does these 'cops' are in heaps of trouble. Funny video as well

+K shall be given to embed since i'm retarded
Dec 11 2012 10:36PM
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EricaMN.
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Dec 11 2012 10:47PM
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Reister
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'what's belligerent? one? two? three cigarettes deep?"
Dec 11 2012 10:47PM
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Hammyslapwagon
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What a well-mannered young gentlemen.  Seems like he has his mind in the right place. Good on him 
Dec 11 2012 10:49PM
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dunesquirrel
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"look at all that ranch dressing!"
Dec 11 2012 10:49PM
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Reister
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"and those sweat pants ohh duuude"
Dec 11 2012 10:51PM
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Puns
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Ya he's a douche, but also it just goes to show that cops are normal people with power and they will fight you just so they don't feel bad. They clearly want revenge, and how professional is that? I think the cops are abusing their power and not actually helping anyone.
Dec 11 2012 10:52PM
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skitheWest.
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that was priceless hahah, does anyone know if he ended up getting kicked out or not?
Dec 11 2012 10:56PM
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andstuff
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If nothing else he should be kicked out for being such a raging tool.
Dec 11 2012 11:00PM
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skiman12321
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"Don't even bother paying your tuition next semester"- ahahahahhahaha
Dec 11 2012 11:02PM
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TheUngroomed
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What do you think happened after this? kicked out or no?
Dec 11 2012 11:04PM
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theabortionator
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I wouldn't be surprised if by living on campus in the dorms what you sign waives your right against searches.


Not sure but it's not you're house technically. Could be wrong but I wouldn't doubt it's like that many places.

Also who throws bottles out the window.
Dec 11 2012 11:11PM
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andstuff
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That kid was a dipshit by talking about his rights and all this crap. The university is not a federal institution, therefore none of that shit applies. He can legally be kicked out of school for giving a dirty look to the Dean if they so please.

Oh well. As long as the kid looked tough to people on the internet while he pisses away his parent's college savings by being a cocky little asshole.
Dec 11 2012 11:15PM
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vincentlee223
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What if it wasn't a private institution and was actually a state school? just wondering
Dec 11 2012 11:18PM
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theabortionator
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I don't think that I said that he wasn't.

Wrote a reply but the page failed to load so fuck it
Dec 11 2012 11:25PM
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Willgum
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Kid needs to learn his place. If you're gonna try to defy cops atleast be respectful
Dec 11 2012 11:32PM
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grapejuice3000+
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kids like this are fucking stupid, the other day i witnessed an angry white trash kid getting kicked out of a gym and he was yelling shit like this. if its property you pay to use, you have none of those rights. especially at a college. i have no doubt he was kicked out.
Dec 11 2012 11:42PM
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volvotom
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specifically exempted by precedent
Dec 11 2012 11:49PM
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andstuff
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Even then, schools seem to be an exception when it comes to basic rights.
Dec 11 2012 11:54PM
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Lt-Aldo-Raine
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Kid needs to get his ass beat
Dec 11 2012 11:56PM
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volvotom
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Speaking of campus cops, they shot a graduate student dead after an altercation in his dorm room at Cal State San Bernardino this week, and have yet to give details of the incident.
Dec 12 2012 12:15AM
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Spinoza
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you guys all sound like pussies making fun of this kid. i think he did a pretty good job getting rid of those mall cops.

but as far as i remember from 1st year they can come in if they want to. Maybe Canada is different im not sure
Dec 12 2012 12:25AM
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Puns
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sounds crazy
Dec 12 2012 12:26AM
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RedEyeTheJedi
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That is so fucked.
Dec 12 2012 12:27AM
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volvotom
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Update on this story, he was bipolar and both the Police Department and University were aware. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/12/school-knew-cal-state-san-bernardino-student-was-bipolar-family-says.html
Dec 12 2012 12:30AM
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Puns
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:( fuck that, so much. the stigma against mental illness is so high and the awareness of it as an issue and a legitemet illness is so low
Dec 12 2012 12:34AM
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brosephstalin
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that was funny
Dec 12 2012 12:36AM
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thedawg
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that was funny as hell...honestly the kid did the right thing by refusing a search, if some cop really wants to search my shit he can go to a judge and get a search warrant. no need to be as big of a dbag as he was but fuck it made for an awesome vid
Dec 12 2012 12:39AM
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brosephstalin
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fucking belligerents cops

just goes to show they don't give a shit about the bill of rights etc
Dec 12 2012 12:40AM
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RedEyeTheJedi
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Its so disappointing when the police kill someone with a mental illness. Police in Seattle shot and killed a wood carver because he would not drop the knife. In the video you can hear a woman scream "Why did you shoot him!!?" She said that because he wasn't threatening anyone with the knife he just happened to have it in his hand and was also handicapped and homeless. The cop did not go to jail and walked a free man.

I hope there is some justice, the police can be so corrupt just because they don't wan't their department to look like shit. Taking some ones life should be a very last resort, instead of going strait to your gun like in the Treyvon case and many others.
Dec 12 2012 12:41AM
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fujarome
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while I completely believe that the pistol should be last resort only, I think it's worth noting that being violent to the police is being violent to the police regardless.

He pepper sprayed a cop with his own mace, and was kicking one of them in the upper body/head. If that doesn't qualify as acting violently towards the police, nothing does.

It was the correct escalation of force. They went from physically restraining him, to using mace, to using batons, and when none of that worked, they used their pistols.

It's extremely unfortunate, but I really struggle to see anything completely out of line with it.
Dec 12 2012 12:42AM
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crab_pretzel
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fuck that kid. he was such an ass hole for now reason and i bet he does get kicked out for it too. he was talking out his ass about university rights and stuff the whole time, and was even dumb enough to put it on youtube. im really disapointed the cops didnt leave when they first started to walk away (when he leans out the door) that would have been perfect
Dec 12 2012 1:03AM
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JWoods
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This. My father was in law enforcement for 30 years and they have family too. If you threaten a cop you threaten their family as well it's nothing to joke about.
Dec 12 2012 1:11AM
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volvotom
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Not that simple. http://www.reslife.net/html/administrative_0701a.html

I don't think SCOTUS has heard a 4th amendment case regarding University housing. However, lower courts have upheld that in order to fulfill the "educational mission" private and public universities are allowed to search your room at any time.
Dec 12 2012 10:09AM
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dergblerp
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Yeah, I kinda liked this kid. I think people give cops way too much credit in general. There are smart, nice cops, but there are also many cops that are borderline retarded. Then, there's the people that are dumb enough that they were unable to become cops, so they become campus security.
Dec 12 2012 10:34AM
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JzD.
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"You're 40 and have fucking braces, what a loser"
Dec 12 2012 10:36AM
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volvotom
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In certain jurisdictions campus officers are actually sworn police officers with guns and the same authority as any city police officer.

All of the California State Universities and University of California campuses run their own campus police departments.
Dec 12 2012 10:43AM
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elemeno89
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just gonna put this here:

1.) university police, most of the time, are sworn in police officers, not security guards.

2.) as the student was living on campus housing, technically he holds no right to ownership, so demand of and procurement of a warrant to him personally is meaningless. universities are allowing the search and seizure of property in dorm rooms without a warrant, otherwise known as "health and safety" searches when probable cause is seen fit. most of the times, these searches are agreed upon by the student when they sign any contract allowing them to live on campus. whether or not the findings from the search hold up in court vary, however, depending on the constraints and concessions put in place by the housing agreement.

MA Supreme Court Case Commonwealth v. Neilson which is cited frequently for campus dorm search and seizures states "not only the general validity of such a housing agreement for Fourth Amendment purposes, but also the limits to which searches conducted under such policies may lawfully extend."

3.) didnt help that this kid was a spoiled pungent puke. if he would have only respected the officers instead of call them names, point out physical attributes, and use foul language he may have gotten away with it. plus if he had no alcohol, then he should have just allowed the search to take place then file a complaint the next day if he felt his rights were violated.

there's my 2 cents.
Dec 12 2012 11:13AM
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fujarome
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so a few officers are supposed to lie there, struggling being beaten mercilessly while they wait for another officer to show up with a taser?

I think movies and the number of times you hear about tasers has led to some misinformation. Not every officer has one, and in a lot of places, none of them have them.


5 bullets may seem excessive, but that's what it took. Cops don't shoot to stun, they shoot to eliminate the threat immediately. If they fired once and he didn't stop, they shot again and again until he did. This time, it took 5.
Dec 12 2012 11:15AM
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elemeno89
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http://www.studentaffairs.uconn.edu/docs/risk_mgt/nacua24.pdf

here's a link with a publication of my second point. this should end all argument over the issue.
Dec 12 2012 11:15AM
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bdarb207
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Kid was a complete tool but tue fact that he recorded it was probably a good idea. If he has a half decent lawyer he's not going anywhere, especially when they forced their way in to find no evidence. They actually can't just open your fridge it is one place you have privacy at least It was when I was in school. When the kid said oh that right because ou cant go in there and he says "oh yeah and he does and instantly realizes it was a mistake because nothing was there and he was acting on ego not rules.
Dec 12 2012 11:19AM
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Peach.
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Is everyone just ignoring this?
Dec 12 2012 11:20AM
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montanan
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why cause he was exerting or at least trying to exercise his rights, ??? the " cops" didnt even have answers for over half the questions he asked. those rent a cops need there ass beat and need to go back to renta cop school and know there shit so they can handle these situations professionally and not get in a verbal fight with a fucking kid. he was just asking bout his rights and exercising them or trying to . and on my campus cops cant come in ( university or not ) without a warrent. the RA cant call and ask for a warrent, and the RAs can go in and look around but not touch, if they want a room searched they have to have a warrent and good reason. these guys are just shitty at there job and the kid got a lil heated, pretty funny tho . LOOK AT ALL THAT RANCH !!!
Dec 12 2012 11:29AM
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volvotom
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In cases such as this one it is easy to accuse one side or other and jump to conclusions. The only people there were the police and the dead guy.

With that being said,I have never EVER heard of an officer admitting to making a mistake in using deadly force with a suspect. To believe that they make the proper decision every single time would be naive. I think our culture has stood behind a strong position of shoot first ask questions later. Yes, police officers should use such force when necessary, but only when absolutely necessary.
Dec 12 2012 11:39AM
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fujarome
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definitely agree, overall.

The reason you don't hear about it is the same reason you don't often hear about confessions over big crimes.

For one thing, you never admit fault. And it doesn't make good news.
Dec 12 2012 11:43AM
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Deluge
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this.
Dec 12 2012 11:45AM
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Elmo.
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no one can go in your room unless they area allowed in or physically see evidence such as like a beer can

if someone wants to come into your room they have to have evidence.

that cop is allowed to stand in the door way. if he cant see anything then he can not go in.

so the cop did wrong there. the kid was a huge prick though lol
Dec 12 2012 12:08PM
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volvotom
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As has been cited here multiple times previously, it's not the same for University owned housing. It is NOT this simple. The same rules and regulations that apply to a house do not apply exactly the same in dorms.
Dec 12 2012 12:23PM
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MNS
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Are you fucking serious? The way that kid conducted himself made him look like a retarded fish. Making fun of braces and dicks and shit. I bet he didn't even know what belligerent means so he just spewed all that stupid shit to defer. Jesus, that kid insulted me just by being human, I want nothing in common with him
Dec 12 2012 12:26PM
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Bumblesteeze
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This guy is an entitled idiot that wanted to prove to his bros that he's some hotshit. So punchable..
Dec 12 2012 12:37PM
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