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I just want to throw out an idea here...please give me you honest opinion...
The last few years have seen a lot of high calibre athletes come out of east coast ski academys, where they are trained in slopestyle and halfpipe disciplines. These kids have goals to get to the xgames, us open, wsi etc...
Now out here on the west coast, i cannot think of a program that is as extensive as what these ski academys are offering. Some mountains have Freestyle clubs (Vernon, Blackcomb) but nothing strictly devoted to 'high end' halfpipe training, slopestyle and such...
Seeing as whistler/blackcomb has one of the best terrain parks in North America, as well as some of the best training facilities that go pretty much unused, (water ramps are being neglected severley) dont you think a 'Newschool' Club of high calibre is needed? They already have an excellent and growing freesking program for groms that want to ski big lines, but there is nothing for the sean petit's, austin ross's, and such. A program where they can measure their success and view their progress through video analysis, and professional coaching by whistler professional skiers like the Chris Turpins, Mark Abmas, Rex Thomas's and such. With the resources that Whistler/Blackcomb has, I think this is a much needed program and they are fully capable of doing it, if they had the immediate intrest. This year there is also an option of night training in the new halfpipe.
Please respond with any thoughts you might have on the idea. I believe that we can breed an xgames champion from the kids that ride up here and from vancouver, if they had the infastructsure (*sp) to do so...
Id like to work with the mountain to get something like this going and would like some feed back from the kids on this site.
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that would be a sick idea. u hsould have like winter camps an shit, sorta like summer
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this is a program that just deals with local kids...they already have a program for kids on vacation and such that want to ski park and pipe. It is a good program, but from what i understand, local kids dont want to be in a program with NY Johnny on vacation.
it is a 2 or 3 day a week program (thurs night pipe, sat, sun)
It includes everything starting to dryland preseason training, all the way to video analysis of you pipe or slopestyle run...for the kids who are serious about competing at a high level.
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oh yeah i need to know your thoughts by tuesday
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so... send that to whistler... and to any kid that responds favorably to this, if you ever have or ever do in the future make fun of racers... i suggest getting your ski poles out and jamming them in your eyes.
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that would be sweet i just wish that i lived there instead of here in colorado, i believe that they do truely have the best stuff up there in whistler and i think it would be awsome if someone put it to good use!
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ya it would be sweet but good luck getting any kind of funding from the government, Canada is a joke for Athlete funding that is why were are going to get our ass kicked in 2010 in our own country. Because its to late now to change how the system works, we needed a change atleast 4 years ago. Im sorry im getting off topic im just pissed how little attention amuatuer sports get in Canada, if skier halfpipe gets brought in then this would be a sweet program to get kids ready for 2014
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sounds like a good idea to me
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i'm surprised they don't have something like that already
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yeah i agree there are all these race programs for kids who want to go to the olympics and such, why not for 'jibben'. they kinda have a deal here in park city, but it is low key. they aren't as hard core as you are talking i think, but yeah it is kinda being done here.
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I dont know, seems kind of not fun to me. Most of the reason I love skiing is because I DONT have to train, and DONT have to sit inside and watch videos of myself skiing. This sounds more like racing or bump skiing training. Granted it may help you ski but it sounds like a shitty way to spend a day at the mountain.
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^ I agree, having freestyle skiing be a coached sport seems a bit lame. I saw some guy coaching 10 year old kids on snowboarding, he was yelling shit just like a little league baseball coach. It would take the fun out of it.
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It sounds like a really good idea. If I was young enough for something like what you're proposing I'd be really stoked on it.
Good luck man.
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mammoth had a freeride team with a coach, i think the benchetlers were on it. It was fer local kids and such
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^^its not quite like the little league coach yelling at his kids kind of deal.
for park training, its 2 or 3 coaches positioned in the park filming their kids doing laps. say one on some rails, one on a table etc...they can freely go about their day riding with friends, but afterwards, say one night a week you have video analysis from the week before, so they can check out what they are doing and how they can improve. There is NO coach yelling at them telling them what to do...very lightly structured.
For pipe training, its the same...they just hike laps on the pipe and get their footy so they can see it later. From my experiences, watching myself was incredible in learning and developing my airsense and style. Thats what Im offering, with coaches that know what they are talking about. Not the ones that have skied moguls and airials that are now relegated into newschool techniques.
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sounds like a plan to me. i say go for it.
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it'd probably be pretty cool, but if this is what it comes down to to be able to compete, that's kinda shitty. it'll just turn into another sport dominated by kids whose parents have enough money to pay for this shit.
and no matter how low key it is, this still sounds like a race training program. so refer to crystal-needs-a-park's post earlier.
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Ryan I think that would be quite sick I no i'm in if this goes off. I no that all the Apex kids from Penticton would be in and all the Silver Star boys from Vernon would be in. What can we do to help. Is it Petition time? We have the freestyle/freeskiing backbone now we just need to refine and complete our skills on good training facilities such as waterramps, rails, big air,and pipe which whis already offers. Havin Chris, Mark, and Rex teaching is very key. It would be like summer camp. Good call Mckeeman so lets do this shit and make it blow up. Lets get a WestCoast Academy going.
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^u dont think that thats already happened? look at the top skiers today, most if not all have come from some sort of academy, attend $$$ summer camps all paid for by mommy and daddy. so i think its a great idea.. why let the east coasters dominate a sport when theres tons of natural talent out here in the good ole NW.
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If ya need a tramp coach type person, hit me up, I have experience
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but seriously, it would be dope, whistler is the place
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what the fuck are you talking about?! fuckin high end training programs? i dont know what your hearing... all we have is icy ass shit and we set goals for ourselves... you out there in the west coast are super lucky cause you have pow... pow is like the ultimate training shit
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Yeah personally I hate the idea and would hate to see the day when jumping is about 'high end training' why not just go out and have fun and not have to place such a high value on BEING THE BEST IN THE WORLD!!!! Christ go ski cause its fun not cause you want to dominate everyone. If I want someone to film me on jumps Ill get my friend to do it not some 'coach' Shitty Idea in my book
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Is learning new tricks fun for you?
learning a new trick is probably the best part of skiing. What's wrong with helping kids learn new tricks safely?
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Yeah it is...but they can learn the same way we did. Through crashing on ice alot and breaking alot of bones, kids these days are such pussies with their 'trampolines' and 'water ramps'.
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yea it is kinda pussy, but with canada's healthcare system, it's probably a good idea.
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worst fucking idea ever.
freeskiing is not a sport. we are not athletes to be 'bred' into olympic champions. There is talent on the east coast but because of the rich kid academies, everyone ends up the same. same style, same tricks, same exposure. if you need a coach to teach you how to ski i suggest you quit skiing and take up volleyball or some shit. I understand the idea of working your ass off to become a good skier but nobody needs a fuckin coach. coaches should be everyone on the mountain who is better than you at the time. this sport needs to continue to be a collection of people on the mountain pushing each other casually. if not, than its just another jock filled ass slappin iron pumpin mainstream team sport. leave the fuckin school for the city. 'high end training' wow, you just made me want to quit skiing.
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Yeah I mean I know you are trying to make money mkckeeman, but dont sell out. High end training is exactly what freeskiing doesnt need. Go race if you want to critque every movement.
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fairview if a thread on an internet forum made you want to quit skiing then you probably should, and save us all the embarrasement.
Other than that you had some good points. Maybe just a club would be a good idea. Organize it so the kids can meet each other and ride and hang out on the weekends. Then use the club funds to pay for some group time on the waterramps or trampolines.
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Dear McKeeman: Best idea ever.
Do it. The sooner the better.
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I feel sorry for all these kids that are going to grow up doign newschool the same way I saw all my racer friends grow up. Soon parents are going to make their kids join the 'freestyle team' at whistler just like they did racind....dont you guys see where you are leading skiing at all?
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^ I'll agree again.
Are you going to issue Competition Puffies to the team members and tell them all do do the same tricks the same way? Probably not, but it still could put that highly competive, gymnastics style perfectionism in to skiing.
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mckeeman i think it is a great idea. it gives kids an option of group activity that doesnt put them in skin tight suits of racing or have them doing twister twister spreads. it is what they want to do so why not organize it and teach them how to do it safely. i would have killed for a program like that when i was younger. all the power to ya on this one
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Youre ruining the sport, its going to end up as gay as racing and moguls pretty soon. I mean granted your program may be chill and relaxed whatever but its just going to go on and build from there. I bet you in 5 years there will be stict programs that kids are going to get sucked into and hate as much as racing. Way to sell out just to try to make a buck mckeman
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fuck you dspun that is a foolish notion
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i dont agree at all with that shit... justy go out with your friends and rip it up... there should be no competitions to see whos the best... if you want training go into ariels and shit...
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^Agreed, if this happens Im going to quit skiing and then shoot myself in the face.
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it is a good idea... but i agree that its kind of un-freeskiing.. but whatever, im not good enough for it anyway, so why should i care.
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ive been thinking about it a lot, and its diffently the way of the future, i mean just look at silver stars program its awesome, they have produced amazing talent and they are in a seriose program, they have set days for dryland and such, i think if you want to be competitive in anything you have to train and this is diffently the way to do it, i was talking to Josh Dueck last night and heard what silver star has planned in ways of water ramps and more training and funding, other mountains are going to have to do something or they are going to be left way behind, i think if you want to be the best you have train, train like an athlete, you can only get so far just skiing. I can't wait to see the talent that could come out of these types of programs
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The people that are against this are the people that have zero talent and know they are going nowhere in skiing. For me I want to compete with the best in the world if I get good enough to do so. Eventually I would like to get sponsored and ski before cameras, crowds, judges, and friends. Competing, training, and skiing with pros feeding off eachother striving to be the best. You dont see many people that blow up by them selves they do it in groups. Examples Tanner and CR, Josh and TJ, Mark Turpin and Rex. When they were kids they skiied moguls for their program could you image how amazing we could be if a program like this was offered on the WestCoast getting taught by these guys ^^^^. I think its a great idea and I back it hardcore.
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Um, isn't this already happening?
Utah Olympic Sports Park (Park City)? This is the place where Tanner trained with the aerialists as a kid and learned most of his tricks. Today they have a full-on newschool program with pro coaches and the best facilities anywhere, and in winter they put their training on the snow...good idea, sounds like it's already happening.
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ok for all the people that are against it, let me explain something...
They pay a fee at the start of the year. That somewhat pays the overhead for the coaching. You do fundraisers as a club to buy a video camera or two. Maybe get a club sponsor with GMC or something (they give US racers a fucking truck sponsor, why not us...we are the future...) then you have a van to go around to other comps. You have an administration office/clubhouse where you can show video. Not many kids have the opportunity to get professionally filmed, so what they get to see is feedback, and that helps them improve a trick or refine their style. The kids that are serious about getting sponsored can put together a professional resume to send away. Its all about leadership, and grooming these kids to be high callibre athletes, with professionalism. Its not like you are tied down to this program, but if you just want to go freeskiing, fine, thats your deal. This is for the kids that really want to get further and maybe make a career out of skiing. It only helps grow the sport.
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its a good idea for kids that want to compete, as long as you get james hillier coaching them , actually hed end up teaching them to boucne of walls like monkeys and throw 18 foot cork 9's after knocking themselves out... but if they wanna be the best they gotta learn to be crazy. you guys should also incorperate the marketing side of skiing, ie dealing with sponsors, photographers putting cv together, editing video parts.
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mckeeman, just do it, like the 311 song says fuck the nay sayers cuz they dont mean a thing!
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ya man here in Steamboat we have something like that called the WinterSportsClub,freeride team it's sick with the water ramp and everything i say if you have the money go for it
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or i could waste my efforts teaching little kids how to snowplow for the same amount of money...but thats lame, im not a ski instructor.
i would rather put my efforts into something i enjoy doing.
apparently there are some hostle people out there as well that really dont want to see this happen, but they live in some shithole trailerpark in middle america. so i feel sorry for them instead.
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^^ i agree with the first part there is already enough people out there to do that there needs to be something for kids to move on to after they become good, so that they can become great!
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It might be good for a few years, but its a direction we don't need to be going with this... We have to be very careful not to allow what happenedto mogul skiing in the 70s to happen to what we've got now.
Training, coaching, video-replay, definition... none of this has a place in freeskiing. Keep it 'free'.
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^ EXACTLYYYYYYY MY POINT.
Sure it will be good for a few years...but think where it will head from there. Exactly where mogul skiing and racing came from. Its not that hard to understand.
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A few things...
I think it will always be free and stay free...yes there will probably more involvement with FIS and the competition side of things in the future but just like snowboarding you will see skiers who compete and film, skiers who just compete, and skiers who just film. Also the best part about this sport is you dont need to join USSA, FIS or an academy to be sucessfull...local skiers can make it on their own.
I am the Head Coach of the Waterville Valley Academy Freeride Team in New Hampshire, and you can take a good look at some of my skiers that I have coached, JP Solberg, Alex Balsen, Dan Kiesel, Colby West and not one of them looks the same or skis the same...coaching can be a good thing for some kids...helping them learn tricks and develop their own style is a huge part of my philosphy at WVA.
So go ahead and try it you will have lots of sucess doing it.
Ohh yeah...not everyone on my team comes from a wealthy family...and not everyone is looking to be a skiing superstar...some kids just come cause they want to be better and ski everyday while taking classes.
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