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a question for democrats ...

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punk_rider
Posts: 2327 - Karma: 10
i would like to understand why are you so 'against bush' and so few 'for kerry'? i mean, democrats are so aggressive towards bush: many pointless and free arguments like 'he is stupid, he's a killer, ...'.
are so little sure of your candidate being right and having a clear project for america and the world?

PS: the fact that i was maybe an 'easy criticizer' and maybe a little aggressive before is not an answer. please, tell me why seriously.
the question is: does kerry suck that much even for you?

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 11:58AM
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SkiBumDreams
Posts: 560 - Karma: 10
personally i believe he made the absolute wrong decision in going to war with iraq and diverting troops from fighting terrorism. iraq had no WMDs, Iraq did not harbor terrorists before we got there(saddam and osama HATED each other!)

granted saddam is a bad guy who should not be in power that was not a priority for our country!

being a young person about to enter the real world from college i see countless jobs leaving this country with no resistance from our president, i see no tax breaks for the young trying to get started and less fortunate, in fact i have had to pay taxes each year, i have NOT gotten a return. i see the prices of tuition for college rising quite quickly making it very difficult for someone who pays for everything themselves extremely difficult.

those are my reasons plus some more that i am anti bush. i am not necesarily pro kerry but i see a better choice with him than with bush.
Oct 22 2004 12:18PM
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supervore
Posts: 613 - Karma: 10
You're kidding, right?

1. Since his first day in office he has worked against the best interests of America. His assaults on the environment -- many of them small enough to escape notice -- have consistently favored corporate profits at the expense of clean air, clean water, and truly healthy forests.

2. His mismanagement of our economy has driven us into debt of historic magnitude, while turning the gap between rich and poor into a chasm.

3. Tax cuts! He is trying to cut taxes while fighting two expensive wars, which really is a mythical 'war on terrorism' (it was in 2001, and we took care of it!).

4. Bush is constanly misleading us, promising one thing and delivering another. he called tax cuts his 'job and growth package.' He calls opening ancient forests to logging his 'healthy forest initiative.' He says he must wage war to protect us from 'the most dangerous weapons known to man.' He will continue to mislead us for 4 more years if we vote for him again!

5. He ignores the issues of importance to women, gays, and the poor.

6. His education program relies a lot on testing schools that can know longer teach what they know best, and since Bush has failed to fund the program suffiecently, many states are raising taxes to meet federal requirements.

7. Bush does NOT have the ability to provide steady leadership, even though Kerry isn't the best president... he sure is better than Bush.

There are many more reasons to support Kerry. I'm not a big fan of Kerry, but you could say that I'm a big protestor of bush, we need to get the asshole out of the white house. I wouldn't mind seeing a list of why Bush should stay in office. I get the feeling that the cons outweigh the pros.
Oct 22 2004 12:22PM
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punk_rider
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but why so many hate??? i mean, history will tell if bush was right or not! i also guess he is more informed that you, we are. people around him are smarter than all the people you ll ever meet in your whole life!

clinton made worst stuffs and wasn't that hated!

moreover, sorry, but it's a question to people who are democrats and who always were. why so much HATE now?

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 12:23PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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wasnt the point of the question to find out why you like kerry? not why you hate bush? i think you guys just proved his point.















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Oct 22 2004 12:27PM
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KingShit
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Kerry and Al Gore are neck to neck about being the worst people to run for president...



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Oct 22 2004 12:29PM
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AltaMan
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no one likes Kerry, they just hate Bush because the Liberal media runs their minds

George Dubya is the man. Go Bush!!
Oct 22 2004 12:48PM
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KingShit
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I wouldnt take it that far, Bush has fucked up and there are reasons not to like him but he is still better then Kerry...



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Oct 22 2004 12:49PM
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SKItheBURG
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i like kerry's policies more, especially on the environment, he'll bring more respect for our country, and i would prefer that he appoints the new supreme court justices. not too difficult to understand. besides the fact, if we know we hate bush and don't like what he's done for the country, why would we vote for him? i'd rather take my chances on new leadership than vote for a proven fuck up.

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Oct 22 2004 12:55PM
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SkiBumDreams
Posts: 560 - Karma: 10
why hate? well a lot of families lost loved ones in a war. i think thats reason for their hate. do i hate, no i just dont agree with his decisions. i wouldnt go as far as saying people hate bush, they just choose to show their disdain for him very outwardly. mostly because this is an election year and how is the best way to grab the most attention???
Oct 22 2004 1:05PM
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AltaMan
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Kerry is a proven fucked up. he's a lier. at least bush tells us whats going on. and his policies? he doesnt have policies. all he does is talk about how bad Bush's policies are. He doesnt have a plan.

George Dubya is the man. Go Bush!!
Oct 22 2004 1:06PM
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punk_rider
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one more question: why do people hate him because of people of their family fighting in iraq? i mean, when you're a soldier, you accept the risk and it's your job! if you do not want your husband to go fight abroad, get married with a postman? no?
the original question is still asked

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 1:11PM
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J.D.
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Either way, anew, this thing has been posted so many times that you'd think it should be deleted as spam...

now excuse my as I add Altaman to the large and ever growing list of morons on this site.

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Oct 22 2004 1:14PM
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Justo8484
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punk_rider, i think clinton was a pretty damn good president. when he was president, our economy was doing fairly well. no major conflicts with anyone either that i can think of right now. whether he cheated on hiw wife and screwed around with his intern is his own business. it doesnt make the news if a factory worker cheats on his wife, or if a business man hasa relationship with his secretary, why should it matter for the president? he's a human being like anyone else, entitled to the same rights to privacy as you and i.
Oct 22 2004 1:17PM
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SkiBumDreams
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jd i would like to see your list of morons

as for alta, did you watch the debates and actually hear what kerry said about his plans.

as for hate when their son/daughter relative dies for a war they didnt believe in that is reason for hate! it may be there job to fight in these wars but it is the presidents job to make informed decisions that his constituents (us) would want him to make, not to go after the guy that tried to kill his daddy!
Oct 22 2004 1:21PM
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punk_rider
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^i'm not sure people who were bombed in serbia and the christians having now to leave kosovo not to be killed by muslims would agree ...
one more fact: clinton made one of his friend bury in arlington. this guy never was in the army and did nothing for the country. i find it a little shoking.

whatever ...

jd: new threads can touch new people with new arguments, i don't think it's useless. but you, you really seem useless to me.
and altaman is cool

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 1:21PM
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Justo8484
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were the conflicts in kosova and serbia directly related to us? no, the US being the parent of the world that we alway try to be stepped in and tried to help out. the middle east right now is a totally different element.
Oct 22 2004 1:24PM
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AltaMan
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i did watch the debates and all i heard was Kerry insulting Bush. He never mentioned his plan. I just got back from fighting in Iraq. i've been there for 14 months. you have no idea how much good is coming out of there right now. i'd go back in a second as long as Bush is in office. and i can tell you at least 95% of my company thinks the same way

George Dubya is the man. Go Bush!!
Oct 22 2004 1:26PM
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punk_rider
Posts: 2327 - Karma: 10
^when i read you, i like you everytime a little more ... is that normal ????

;D

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 1:32PM
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d-loc
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pointless garbage filling your mind



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Oct 22 2004 1:33PM
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punk_rider
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d-loc is always equal to himself. that's good! in such a changing world, d-loc will always remain the same ...

what? 'only idiots never change their minds'? yeah, it confirms what i was saying

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 1:36PM
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SkiBumDreams
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kosovo and serbia... those were UN missions we didnt go against the UN in going there we were part of a UN team. Iraq we ignored the UN. Anyway bush ran for presidency on domestic policy reform, i have yet to see any. Considering from the minute he stepped into office he was trying to find ways to get into iraq. how many times has his reason for going into iraq changed? 3!

altaman for every soldier over there that is a bush fan i am sure there are just as many kerry fans. i know several people over there who have a very high dislike for bush even a veteran of the gulf war i know DESPISES bush's decisions means and methods of the iraq war.

no offence but as a soldier you are fed propoganda, plain and simple. as a soldier you are broken down and built back up to what the service wants you to be. i commend you for joining the military i think that is great and i will support our troops no matter what, however i will not support a commander in chief who makes decision after decision that i whole heartedly disagree with.

by the way where were you stationed over there and what were your duties?
Oct 22 2004 1:46PM
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AltaMan
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as a soldier we have people trying to kill you everyday. no propoganda will change your opinion. it's scary as hell over there. no one 'wants' to be there. war sucks. i'm just glad people are willing to do it

George Dubya is the man. Go Bush!!
Oct 22 2004 1:54PM
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mckeeman
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i thought it was funny in farenheit 9/11 when he was reading books to an elementary class and was told 'america is under attack' by the secretary of defence in his ear...The look on his face, and the fact that it took him 11 minutes to react and sit there...i think he shit himself.


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Oct 22 2004 2:01PM
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AltaMan
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Who wouldn't? that's some scary shit

George Dubya is the man. Go Bush!!
Oct 22 2004 2:04PM
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punk_rider
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mckeeman: it just showed bush is HUMAN and have a heart

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 2:12PM
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d-loc
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so why all the hate on kerry for changing his mind?

why all the hate on bush for keeping his decision to fight forever.

ive got it planned... u my friend are a pursuing pompous follower



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Oct 22 2004 2:15PM
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Raek
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altaman: bush tells you the truth??? he didnt tell the truth about iraq the place had nothing...if this guy had wmds he would have used them and not run into a rat hole like he did.. Punkrider: you are an idiot you truly are... live here and then you can make comments on whos better... the economy has gone way down it has affected my family alot gas prices have risen due to the fact that we had to go to war with iraq. that affects everybody people in this country should ask themseleves am i better off than i was 4 years ago? my answer would be NO. You shouldnt call people stupid because they dont like bush but you dont live here so you wouldnt understand






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Oct 22 2004 2:18PM
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Ahmets_Brother
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maybe some of you people should run for president.....



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Oct 22 2004 2:19PM
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KingShit
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'the economy has gone' that is not a true statement, the economy entered the recession when Clinton was still a president, if anything all of the economists say that Bush has done an excellent job with tax cuts to bring the economy back... Do you forget 9/11? You think it takes economy 2 days to turn around? Maybe you should thank Clinton for not getting Osama all of the chances he had and then your economy would of been stable, or maybe Janet Reno for cutting down our intellegence by huge numbers... get all the facts before you talk shit...



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Oct 22 2004 2:23PM
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AltaMan
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once again so many misled facts. Gas prices are not high because of the war. Bill Clinton signed a ridiculas deal with OPEC that monopolized the fuel industry. what is it with everyone trying to blame their shitty lives on bush

George Dubya is the man. Go Bush!!
Oct 22 2004 2:26PM
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punk_rider
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LineSkogenHunter: ok! so live in iraq to tell us what's good to do there!!! idiot!!! i'm probably more informed on US economy, political and law system than you!
ANT is totally right: before 9/11, US economy wasgoing down because of clinton and a global trouble in economy (the US president is not taht powerful on economy: the Fed is much more!).
Bush has a project: domino theory. history will tell if it's good.
and an other thing: you're judging on what you know. have you ever thought that maybe, bush doesn't tell you everything???? maybe???? maybe some thing speople doesn't need to know and justifying this war???

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 2:30PM
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holyDINOSAURS
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this guy is punk but is a democrat? isnt that sort of an oxymoron? maybe? im to tired to post

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Oct 22 2004 2:55PM
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TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsJik
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this would have fit a little better a few posts earlier but:





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Oct 22 2004 2:59PM
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punk_rider
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i'm punk. i'm for democrats. i'm french. so i do not vote in america. in france, i'm anarchist (chicago school) and retired my name from the voting lists.

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 3:00PM
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Big_Willy
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I dont want to wait for history to tell if bush is/was good for our country, or any other country for that matter. Everyone hates us! You cant bomb a few countries and change their gov't (whether it was for good or bad reasons) and say fuck you to your allies/enemies alike. I know bush probably thinks that hes doing the right thing, but its just not logical to play bully and alienate everyone.



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Oct 22 2004 4:38PM
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punk_rider
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^so, to make a link: you would rather let your friends rape a woman in front of you to keep your friends than preventing them to do that becoz it's GOOD to do that wether you loose your friends or not? that's wat you mean?

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PUNK'S NOT DEAD!
RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 22 2004 4:45PM
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asac
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punk_rider, if you want to hear our arguments, you'll first need to read our posts. also, are you even an american? i highly doubt you have any idea what is going on here.





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Oct 22 2004 4:50PM
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KingShit
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ASAC thank you for illustrating your point that Europe doesnt know shit when they are talking about rather having Kerry then Bush for president...





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Oct 22 2004 4:56PM
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ski8990
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Europe knows shit. punkrider on the other hand...well I think we all know. hey who saw the daily show where they had that punk kid for bush? that was some funny shit!



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Oct 22 2004 8:30PM
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I must say, Some ppl are so fucking dumb on ns.
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Oct 22 2004 8:35PM
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J.D.
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Is it just me, or is punkrider getting dumber and more annoying by the post?

''have you ever thought that maybe, bush doesn't tell you everything?''
I've pretty much come to count on that by this point.

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A stormy haze
I’ll be around
I’ll be loving you
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Oct 22 2004 8:45PM
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punk_rider
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^get out of my thread. you have not the brain equipment to talk with us.

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RAILS SUCK!
POWDER SKIING RULES!
DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Oct 23 2004 6:46AM
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asac
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that was probably the shittiest intelligence insult ever. you are the equivalent of jaross for republicans.





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Oct 23 2004 8:25AM
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ECfreeski3
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punkrider, how do u expect to be taken seriously when talking about US politics if you can hardly even piece together a coherent sentence in our language?
and clinton was NOT a bad president, the whole lewinsky fiasco just fucked over his reputation
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Oct 23 2004 10:23AM
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pajibber
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The only reason I have any hope in Kerry is I feel like he has a chance to rebuild our reputation in the international community. I am scared what the world will think of us in 4 years of Bush is still president. I am not saying that the international community should dictate our policy, but I feel like our country is doomed for fututre generations without the support of the international community. It feels like much of our problems with terrorism stem from the resentment towards our country. Bush is not responsible for this resentment, but I feel as though he is doing little to change the tides. I would like to see a president try and fight the war on terror with their minds and not their muscles. I would like to see what could happen if we can put the 87 billion into fixing relations in the middle East.

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Oct 23 2004 10:38AM
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hellmut
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so why do people seem to hate the US so much, and I am not talking about islamic radicles. And what is Kerry going to do to rebuild our realtionship with the international community. What has Bush done that has caused so much hatred for America?
Oct 23 2004 10:48AM
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ski8990
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^Iraq



Jesus saves!

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Oct 23 2004 10:53AM
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*i<3snow*
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bush has done an incredible job running our country. kerry just wants to raise taxes, save the trees, and let terrorists kill our countrY by not going to war!? he's a moron. bush has proven in the past 4 years in office that he is tough, strong and definitely the right person for the job. the other day in afghanistan they had a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. a WOMAN was running!!!!! their country would still suck right now if it wasnt for bush.

if you want to make a terrible mistake and let a moron hippie run our country, vote for kerry. but bush is the way to go. hes the right guy for the job.




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Oct 23 2004 11:11AM
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ski8990
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^If kerry was a hippie nader wouldnt be running. he isnt really very liberal at all. he is definetly better than bush though. kerry wants to raise taxes. but only on people making over 200 grand a year. do you know how much that is? my dad makes right around there and we definetly dont need that much and shouldnt be making that much. do you think that people like me should have a trust fund or to you think that people who are poor should have health insurance?



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Gretzky gets the rebound. he feeds the puck to LeClair. he shoots! he scores! the crowd goes wild
Oct 23 2004 11:15AM
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