When he doesn't know a camera's rolling, Mitt Romney shows his disdain for half of America.

it's a correlation=causation logical fallacy.

I really think it's hilarious how much guys like Romney want you to believe that ALL of the people not paying taxes are from the lowest income bracket when the most wealthy are by far the most guilty of ducking their already meager allotted tax rate.  How much do you think a minimum wage earner would actually contribute?  A drop in the buscket in comparison to the billions loopholed by the wealthy.  I mean come the fuck on.       

Also, unemployment isn't necessarily a draw on anyone if it's well within your own "paid in" balance.  If you don't know how it works, all that money you pay in for unemployment insurance in every check, that money sits there and waits for you to be laid off.  Unfortunately I found this out when I was laid off in I believe '08 or '09.  You pay it in, you can absolutely take it back out when times are tough and you can't find a job that will pay your bills.  It even tells you your balance.  So to anyone NOT on extended benefits, they aren't even "costing" us anything. 

I agree that entitlement programs should be dialed back, but the gross misrepresentation of so many factors here just blow my mind.  I mean, we're in a fuckin' recession because of republican fiscal irresponsibility spread out over a decade and here we are, Mitt trying to convince us that more military spending, deregulation to major industry AGAIN, more tax breaks for the wealthy and massive cuts to programs that benefit the needy is really what this country needs.  I mean, I realize most here were too young to actually remember Clinton's presidency or the awesome financial climate we had then, but I can tell you that the Taliban didn't do this to us, WE did this to us.  You can't pull a country out of a recession by attacking the group hardest hit by it.  It just doesn't work that way.  You need a lower and middle class spending money, there is no trickling down- especially in a business climate that makes it astronomically expensive to have employees whereas automated equipment makes more and costs less.  It simply is not in a business's best interests to hire employees at all if it's avoidable and I'm still waiting for someone in government to realize this.  Maybe then we can create an environment that encourages growth and a larger workforce, because I can tell you as someone who runs a small business that it isn't anywhere near that right now.   

It is kind of hilarious to see people pointing to unemployment statistics as if we weren't in a recession.  This isn't a normal year, dumbasses. 

I don't want to live in a world populated by people like you.

Yes he certainly did slide out of the right twat. 

how can you deny a statistic that plainly shows that supporters of republicans come from states with the highest non-income tax pay rate?

the truth hurts.

Yes, because sliding out of the right twat gets you through harvard business and harvard law...

normally i don't comment on political threads on ns because half of the people in here are 14 and cant vote, but it just annoys me how much people shit on Romney. There are millions of people living in this country who pay nothing and get thousands of dollars back from the government. yes there are cases when people really need help, but most of these people are LAZY, yes lazy. I am tired of hearing people that say they would rather be unemployed than work a job they believe is below them. thats what is wrong with America. I think Romney is right, people need to start taking some personal responsibility and start working hard to support themselves. The role of the government should not be to dish out money to people that dont feel like working hard.

top 20% of Americans take in around 53% of the nations income the top 20% also pays something like 62% of the taxes........ rich niggies gettin fucked if you ask me.

You ever ask a hedge fun manager how many hours a week he works?? you fuckin douches act like these guys are just gettin free money. I know some people in finance that work on average 13 to 14 hour days. They shouldnt have to pay for anyone else shit if you ask me.

just wanted to add how many now hiring signs I see all over the fuckin place.

the truth is americans are becoming lazy especially the generation before ours, our generation and the ones after. McDonalds is always hiring but thats not good enough for people that dont have a job. FUCK YOU, work at McDonalds get paid and maybe take half the welfare you get.

I'm guessing you're unfamiliar with the story of a little boy named George W Bush, who not only skated through Ivy league on shit grades because of his father, he was allwed to duck military service AND bankrupt a few businesses before he fucking raped this country. 

So yeah.  Ivy League education =/= common sense OR any sense of understanding to the rest of the country that didn't slide out of the right twat. 

I agree that he had to work to get where he is, but let's not pretend that he was a real Obama-level rags to success story or something.  THAT is real coming up.  South side of Chicago to the White House?  Please Romney.  The guy was born into a life or wealth and privelege, ending your life story anywhere but in a state of wealth and privelege is just retarded.  Crediting him as some kind of real breakout success is kind of retarded. 

yo dumb fuck cock bag. Blaming Bush for our economy is an ignorant opinion. Simple research informs you that Clinton repelled the Glass Steagall Act in 1999. The Glass Steagall Act was enacted in 1933 because the expansion of commercial banks into securities underwriting was substantial prior to the 1929 stock market crash and the subsequent Depression. In 1930, the Bank of the United States failed, reportedly because of activities of its security affiliates that created artificial conditions in the market! Clinton ensured history repeated itself

Romney reminds me of this guy..... Billy Zane acting as Caledon Hockley/ Mitt Romney in Titanic.

stop acting like you know wtf you are talking about seriously man and you arent fucking Teddy dude get rid of the fucking pink name.

We all know Bush II's fuckin story but maybe you should look in to Clinton's fuckin story and you might realize why we are fucked.

Well I work harder than they do, does that mean I should have to pay a 1% effective tax rate? 

I don't think that I'm entitled to that at all despite how hard I work for my money that is taxed without loopholes or concession for how hard I've worked. 

Also, it's not "paying for someone else's shit" it's paying into the system that allows you to operate...  Just like everyone else. 

the loopholes for most rich people is giving back....

and because youre a landscaper digging holes for a living means you work harder than the guy in an office for 13 hours a day?

Oh I agree 100% about the G-S act's repealing being the very beginning of the end, but it was far from the only factor at play in the gangbanging of our economic climate by industry, taxation and rampant spending. 

It's the rest of the argument for Romney I disagree with.  I'm living in the state he just finished fucking up, and lots and his policies have cost me lots and lots of money so I reserve the right to tell you that my distaste for his initiatives come from actual experience with his ideas. 

Also, who the fuck is teddy and I didn't make my name pink either you fucking crybaby. 

Teddy was a long time member and filmer for PBP who passed away 5 years ago or so in the backcountry due to a heart issue.

He was the first guy on NS to make his name pink and for many years out of respect before his death and after no males made their names pink.

Repealing glass steagall is was caused everything to happen later. Banks had your money and fuckin used it for whatever they wanted. Then they figured, hey everyone thinks they have money why not charge them 5 times more for this house than what its worth, we will be able to make the money they gave us back so they can now pay for their really expensive house!! Ohh wait we cant make the money back sorry now you are stuck paying a mortgage on a house thats worth nothing!! And pretty much the exact same thing happened with school loans and the government saying they would pay all school debts.... what do schools do next? fuck it yaaa jack up the price of the school since the feds gonna be payin!!!

Nice try and a decent stab at someone who DIDN'T fall out of the right vagina like you did...  But no.  I work in certified nuclear and military application high pressure filtration and am successfully expanding my business around outsourcing the production and S/H needs of several fortune 50 and 500 companies.  Soooooooooooooo yeah, you can suck my cock after hour 14 of shop work afaic.   

Also...  Giving back????  LOL...  Spoken like a true child of wealth!  If I were to "give back" to myself contributing only a percent or two of my earnings, I'd be in jail for tax evasion.  Just one more example of how this country favors the rich and fucks the working class...  But far be it for a rich kid to recognize any of this.  You just want to ensure the twat your kids fall out of someday is every bit as well off as the one you slid from lol...  And I can't really blame ya I guess. 

first off, I will have children falling from all kinda of different twats. Second, what im saying is the extremely wealthy (yes people I am related too) give soooo much back to our community and country as a hole that if they didnt the surrounding community at least would feel it pretty hard. My family has also worked to save over 1 million acres of land in the US so that outdoor type people like our selves can have places to go hiking and skiing and such. With out the uber rich helping as much as they do things would be a lot shittier. I know from you just said you didnt come from a rich family but I can tell you philanthropy goes a lot further than I think you know.

And sorry for the stab but you made it seem like you were just complaining about some people with more paying less than you even though it probably equals out when you find out how much they give away to have a lower tax rate.

In all sincerity I wish you luck in expanding your business and that someday you can reach the ranks of only paying 3 or 4% income tax a year.

Well I'm glad we're pst the namecalling phase of the discussion, but I just want to get one thing straight I'm still a bit unclear on. 

So getting our nation's financial situation back on track is our most important task- just so long as your mind-blowingly wealthy parents don't have to pay for any of it even though they could easily pay the same percentage I do with no impact on their lifestyle?   

well yeah, we more or less have our shit together. i'm not afraid of my government, i'm afraid of yours. the whole world follows american politics, and the whole world knows americans don't give a shit about the rest of the world.

Seriously.


I've worked both landscaping jobs (3 summers) and cubicle jobs and I would 100% say that desk jobs are much more difficult. All these people saying landscapers work harder are only talking about physical work. Even then its a toss up. When you work landscaping, you spend however many hours a day doing physical labor. After, you come home, have a beer and relax and don't have to worry about the hole you were digging earlier.

A hedge fund manager may technically work 12 hour days, but when he is "off" he or she is ALWAYS on their phone or computer answering emails, checking news. Their job is 24 hrs a day. The stress is tremendous which is why they get paid so much. There are few high paying jobs that don't entail a lot of stress. People bitch and moan when they have to work more, then bitch and moan when they don't get enough benefits. The entitlement that has been created in society the past 15 years is absolutely ridiculous.

exactly, people complain about how much mitt has payed recently in income taxes, but thats because in the past few years he has donated millions of dollars to charity, which drives down his tax rate.

if we had 100 people to a province I'm sure there'd be no issues either. you're an outsider looking in, find something better to do

you should be afraid. canada only exists because the US didn't push the issue

that's great i'll just sit idly by while you guys fuck up the whole world economy again, start a few more wars... you realize who the president of the united states is a really big fucking deal, right? "most powerful country in the world" and all, right? the entire world is waiting to see what the fuck you're gonna do next. we share a border and i plan to move to california so yeah i pay attention to the politics okay, why you're complaining about the fact that i care is beyond me, if anything it would be ignorant and retarded of me not to care what goes on in the country a few miles south of me.

It's fine that you care, but you're trying to push your opinion on people when you personally haven't experienced any of it. Everything you know is because you read about it somewhere in black and white. We all have reasons behind our beliefs and it's easy for you to dismiss some of our opinions because you, yourself, haven't actually lived any of it.

sorry (canada hehe) if i came across as pushing my opinion, all i meant to do was state facts.

Ignorance in this thread is mind bending.

People saying rich people don't pay anything... holy shit. Also - Define Rich - can somebody tell me what they think "rich" means.... because it certainly isn't having 1 million in the bank - that isn't rich...

I'll use myself as an example - i've worked my ass of for the last 14-15 years to get to where i am now. I make a lot of money now- but still, i want more... i want to be able to retire asap and spend the majority of my life just doing cool stuff, not having to worry about money... or work...

How can anyone NOT want that? Beat the system right - the system that's ingrained into your heads from school saying you must go to school, college, then work your whole life for somebody else... then die.... yay... fuck that.

BUT - you have to butter the bread to make the sandwich... I pay a lot of tax on what i earn... a lot, but i don't complain - that's par for the course. The money I have left over after taxes - i put into trading accounts and property... and then use that to take things to the next level.... i've already been taxed on my earnings - and i will be taxed again (at 15%) on earnings made from simply moving MY OWN hard earned money around...

How is that not paying in to the system? How is that NOT fair? If you look at some of these top boys, we're talking millions and millions of dollars a year going in to the system (not to mention charity donations and all that nonsense) - how can any of you complain about that? These guys work their assess off - and yeah, it's probably only about 1-5% of people who have that drive, ambition, dedication and mindset to make it... YES mindset... they don't spend all evening on an Xbox or smoking weed, they spend it reading, researching, working on how to take things to the next level... huge sacrifices you, and most people simply are too lazy to take. Maybe you have other values, which is great - but you cannot complain about those people who value success - it's a free world, make of it what you can / will - you get one shot.

Not a fan of Romney, not a huge fan of Obama either - American politics is the laughing stock of the planet which is embarrassing for Americans (well it should be - that's right, you should be embarrassed by your leaders - they represent you badly - although Obama's foreign policy and "image" is an improvement on Bush - by electing a black president, you fooled the world in to believing that you are no longer a fundamentally racist country...) - but what annoys me is simply that kids these days would rather complain about so called "rich people" and not have any desire, inspiration or drive to emulate that success for themselves... that blows my mind. Fuck what other people think - go out and kill it for yourself... it's awesome.

I can tell you, the first time you buy a 80, 90, 100 grand car... it's a great feeling, to think you worked your ass off and now you finally get some reward... all you kids that see things like Lambo's and shit and think "i'll never be able to afford that" ... wrong attitude.... you're all young enough to get whatever it is you want out of life... the only thing standing in your way is pure and simple HARD FUCKING WORK. If your tax rates go up to 40-50% however - it's going to make things that bit more difficult....

You make your own choices, and you need to live by them and let others live by there's. The US needs some central, bi-partisan politics that are fiscally conservative and socially liberal - but that just isn't going to happen is it - so, you'll be in exactly the same position in 4 years time.

It's fine, it just bothers me when every post you make is hating on American politics, yet you say you're planning to move to California? If the government here is so damn shitty, why does everyone want to move here? Stay in Canada where you "got your shit together"

Yep.  Funnelling money to the Mormon Church in the form of a tax-deductible donation instead of paying into the country's tax system...  That'll TOTALLY fix all these defecit problems!  What a fantastic example by which to lead the country from!   

I mean do you guys just not understand basic math or is it an entitlement and identificatioin issue you're struggling with? 

Also if you have a desk job- that's stressful work, not hard work.  If you aren't sweating, you aren't doing hard work, you're just burned out by either the complexity of the task or the scope of the job.  Actually punching keys and shit is not hard.  I do both every day and there is a very huge difference.  The shop stuff is hard work, the desk bullshit is mind blowingly stressful and frustrating but it is not hard it just takes forever and irks me to no end. 

I would sleep easier at night if more people were as level headed as this.

I would sleep easier if more of the kids on here were more concerned about their own success than that (or the lack thereof) of others....

Self fulfilling prophecy.

dude im trying to lower taxes for you too... wtf are you even fucking talking about.

lower taxes across the board for everyone but the 1% because they dont need it is what would should be doing this includes taxes such as capital gains.

I believe in putting money in the peoples pocket and letting them spend it. when they spend it other people make money and when they make money more people make money and when more people are making money industry grows and more people can go back to work....

Obama care will help kill this and here is why.. its the largest tax increase on the middle class EVVEEERRRRRR.


http://atr.org/full-list-ACA-tax-hikes-a6996

every post the americans make hates on their own politics as well... people hate politics no matter what country it is. i have a lot of reasons to want to move to california and only one reason not to, and that is, of course, the politics. basically, if romney gets elected, living in america is no longer an option. so i'll sit here and i'll bitch about the fact that americans bitch about paying taxes when they don't even know what they go toward, i'll bitch about the fact that mitt romney is not seen as a dick despite him doing some new dickish move every other week (yeah he went to harvard and he has bags of money but so does one of my friends and i don't think he's a suitable candidate for any political position), i'll bitch about the fact that some law student thinks tradespeople don't work hard or go to college, etc, because yeah, it's scary. it is legitimately scary to see the way some voters think and what they base their decisions on, and it is legitimately scary to see men like mitt romney actually in contest to become the potus, because, as i said earlier, he is likely to start a third world war. i know you guys don't give a shit but your president/hopefuls are way scarier dudes than some terrorist.

and this is why you should have to take a test before you are allowed to vote. I dont know if its a test to show your education level and you can only vote if its higher than a certain level or if its a test that tests you on the candidate and if you pass you can vote for them but fuck. people voting for Obama cause jay z and kanye west do is pretty fuckin retarded and thats what happens in America. OMGGG BLACCKK PRESSSSDIDDDDDENNTNTNTN I DONT GOTTA PAY FOR SHITTT NO MO!!! like come the fuck on.

Lol...  White people say the damndest things sometimes. 

^hahahaha, that video is so disgustingly true. how many black people do you think didn't vote for obama? not very fucking many

People don't come to California for the politics.

I think that the day that expressing concern over increasing entitlement programs in this country is considered a election ender is the day we make the first step to becoming the next Greece.


That being said I totally agree Romney is a complete and utter hypocrite.

and you're defending the state of Cali why? I never said anything bad about California

This analogy is so incredibly ridiculous. The US becoming "the next Greece" is absolutely not possible. There is no comparison between Greece and the USA from an economic standpoint. Economic strife in the two countries looks and will always look very different simply because of their makeup.

It's a dumb meme that is essentially economic fearmongering because people associate "Greece" with "Broke".

HOLY JEEBUS THANK YOU!

That has been exactly what I've been trying to put into words in all these political bullshit threads. I already had you 10/10.

Shut your dick kid, this is just painful to read.

theres an interview with mitt about these videos on fox right now

1 million in the bank isn't rich? What the hell world do you live in? Maybe it's not as rich as you would like to be, but compared to most people, even in the western world, it's really fucking rich.

And your point about how the system is not fair brings up a whole bunch of other questions, I'm sure you know that really, the majority of people who are 'rich', for the sake of clarity let's say in the top 5% of total wealth, don't earn their wealth, they inherit it. Sure there's people that work hard, but the majority of the time, they come from a relatively privileged background to begin with. All this 'it's all mindset' bullshit is rubbish.

Personally, I couldn't care less if I had a lambo or not, I don't really want to work hard, so at least it's a conscious choice. I ski 230+ days per year, and go on holiday in exotic places around the world for the rest, screw working in an office for the best part of your life.

Anyhow, I do agree that American politics is hilarious, just for a start, the dude believes in Mormonism. This stuff that he got caught saying is surely what everyone already knew republicans thought already.

I must have been misunderstood, did not mean to mention anything about being broke, however more so the fact of stepping towards (albeit still very far away) a system of government similar to that of Greece.

It blows my mind that Newschoolers is one of the best forums for balanced political discourse. Reddit, youtube, espn, and CNN (any news site really) are just so much worse than NS.