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Whats up with pros building huge jumps onto rails?

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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Why do we still have GIGANTIC jumps onto rails? And why sometiems do they build them on the outside of a set? I could do almost any rail that they do because they have the jumps so HUGE! Some of them are ABOVE the rail! Thats absolutely rediculous! The most it should be is about half the height. AT MOST! One third the height of the rail is a good height to have the jump without bein a pussy.
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Oct 18 2004 11:08PM
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4 words, shut the fuck up, they are pros, u wanna change it u do that and if u become pro maybe it will change, until u become pro shut the hell up
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Oct 18 2004 11:10PM
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Actualy I wanna know too... what the fuck is up with the giant jumps onto rails?












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Oct 18 2004 11:13PM
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half the kids on this site can do a 30 foot flat rail, but how many can do it when it is 10 feet off the deck?
Oct 18 2004 11:13PM
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What the fuck is that guy talking about?
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Oct 18 2004 11:16PM
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LineBoarder
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Well I could see a really wide jump onto a rail, because if u wanna spin onto the rail you could set yourself off axis on the side or something. Wider jumps give u more of a variation of different ways to hit a rail

I really hate really small narrow jumps onto rails, i feel like theres barely any room for error.





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Oct 18 2004 11:16PM
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it all depends on the pop of the peopel that are hitting the rail... see people who are crazy olliers such as Dash and Blake N. (


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Oct 18 2004 11:17PM
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i hate really steep icy shitty ones like at pow ridge^^
Oct 18 2004 11:23PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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For sure wide jumps are cool.
I'm talking about tall jumps that are up to the edge of the rail. Thats how my mom would set them up.
And I do hit rails and I don't use giant jumps for whoever said that, and you can check it out in the Kapitol video if you want. I ride with snowboarders so no skiers build their giant jumps.
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Oct 18 2004 11:27PM
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^ Yeah I def hear what your saying, theres really no need for making really tall jumps. I guess, if your a newbie and your worried about getting your tips caught on the rail, then u just dont know how to pop off a jump. But I would think to that if u make the jump so massive you could over pop onto the rail and set u way off axis

Hahah yeah Ian, the jumps onto the rails at pow ridge are fucken awful..





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Oct 18 2004 11:48PM
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They aren't as bad as they used to be... actually, I think if you check most of the urban shots in most good ski movies nowadays you'll see hardly any lip. Big jumps are a thing of the past.

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Oct 18 2004 11:50PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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^For sure and to be fair I only started noticing this lately.
I showed what I was thinking were all these sick rails done by pros to my friends and they just laughed and pointed out how HUGE the jumps were.

Look at Forward, I think that video shows it the best. Some of the jumps they have are like ride-ons, they dont even hit it from the side, but straight on. Some of the rails are set up on the outside of the stairs too.
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Forward was last year Ethan, I think the jumps are getting bigger as the rails start getting bigger and gnarlier.
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Oct 18 2004 11:53PM
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bigger jumps, bigger tricks. Who is going to try and pop a 450 on the 'way up' to a rail? it seems alot more logical to me to pop the 450 and then land on the rail when you come down.

Footage of candide catching his head on the underside of a rail while spinning onto the rail would be pretty funny though




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Oct 18 2004 11:53PM
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nca777
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Huh?

NMK is definitely right. I hate watching people hit 'urban' rails straight on. You should have to pop to get on the rail. But alot of guys are doing this now.







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Oct 19 2004 12:00AM
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nca777
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The other thing is how skiers only build a lip in one little spot at the to of the stairs or whatever. If you watch snowboard films you see the lips are even all the way across the top of the top step so it looks like theres no lip at all and the stairs are usually clean or at least exposed.





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Oct 19 2004 12:01AM
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SwitchBitch
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because its sick. more people are doing tricks onto rails and I think thats pretty cool.
Oct 19 2004 12:04AM
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airic
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There gona build it whatever way they feel comfortable with. If there isn't much inrun, they need to make the jump so its able get them on the rail with minimal speed.
Does it really take away from the rail? I dont think so.
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Oct 19 2004 12:16AM
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^ yeah thats true too.. if u have minimal speed u kinda gotta build the jump tall in order to make it





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Oct 19 2004 12:18AM
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they arent doing it nearly as much anymore






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Oct 19 2004 5:44AM
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i agree with levin here. jumps on to rails should only be olli pads, as you might see in snowboarding. sure you can't get as much pop as a boarder can, but it looks SO much better when it is just a little olli pad. yeah and clean off all the stairs of all snow. make it look good visualy and when you clean the rail it will look even better because you took the time to care about what your shot looks like.

and yeah blake has mad pop, so does max peters for that matter.


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This is one of the first educated threads of seen on this site in a while





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Oct 19 2004 12:40PM
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^ haha i mean i've.... ya i blew it





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Oct 19 2004 12:41PM
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so ur saying stop doing 450 onto a rail and just pop turn 90 and slide?

im really confused on what is even trying to be said here



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best reply ever from d-loc. Mine was going to say:
270 on is pretty fun but not when you eat the rail. I agree with you on tech rails, anything kinked ect. should have an ollie pad only while raised straight rails and boring ones should have a bigger for more variety.


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Oct 19 2004 12:48PM
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mikee
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uh I think it depends, you need more speed if teh jump is smaller, cause you need to actually get ontop of the rail... I think that it just depeends on teh setup, and skill levle.

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Oct 19 2004 1:04PM
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a big jump is ok in my book as long as there is a big gap to the rail, so that you can do gnarly disasters and spins on and stuff

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jcrs454
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dude who cares if there big jumps small jumps or no jumps man its all sick specially from the pros and most the shit they do none of us could do. i cant i kno that but it sick seeing them do it. so dont hate its there prefrence.
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Oct 19 2004 1:59PM
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dooner
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Its super hard to find speed, snow, etc... when there is no snow on the groudn and the rail is against a building or something. i agree that small jumps are better but i would say doing a rail with a step on/big jump is better than not doign the rail at all
Oct 19 2004 2:01PM
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one thing, when the jumps are so low, as i have noticed it happening in teh new snowboard movies, if teh rails is steep you actually dont need much pop and they aer all just gapping ten feet down teh rail.
what do you mean by the jumps are beside the rail?
do you mean it is past teh beginning of the rail on the side(so the rail is shorter).?
Oct 19 2004 2:11PM
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ECfreeski3
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well there are a lot of things to considerate.
if you dont have much speed, youre gonna need a bigger bump.
i'm all for small bumps, but sometimes its just not possible.
and to whoever was comparing it to SBing...thats not reallty a fair comparison because SBers should be able to pop about twice as high as a skiier.
and the thing about making the pad really wide so it looks smaller (vertically) is stupid, thats llike cheating, making it SEEM smaller.
but yes, the smaller the bump, the better it looks
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watch snowboard movies, they dont even use jumps, the in run just goes right to the stairs (if its urban) they just pop right onto the rail, it looks way better cuz there is not a huge pile of snow at the top of the stairs.


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didn't have time to read the whole thread, but i think its just a matter of setting rotations onto rails, like for 450's or whatever, setting up on different sides for tailslides, nosepresses, etc.








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Oct 19 2004 3:30PM
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ECfreeski3
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^^SNOWBOARDERS CAN POP TWICE AS HIGH
but ya, the bumps need to shrink
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it doesnt matter anyways



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Oct 19 2004 3:36PM
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Check out tanners takeoffs in WSKI106 (i think they're visible) They were all really small and they were mostl double and quad kinkers. Tanners got it on lockdown.
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Oct 19 2004 4:18PM
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Ok... For everyone who is talkign about 270s and 450s onto urban rails... WHERE is this happening? a 450 onto an urban rail would be sick no matter what, but still the jump does not need to be more than half the height of the rail. Think about it, if the rail slants down, then if its half the height, you still only have to pop very minimally to get on. 1/3 the height and you have to pop a little bit more, but still not a ton. There is NO excuse for having a jump onto a handrail that is larger than half the height of the rail. Unless your penis fell off and you grew a vagina.
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I really hope whoever is talkin shit about the pros are good enough to talk. If you are awesome but your probably not so fist youreslf.
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Oct 19 2004 7:24PM
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phillous part in 1242, the first urban he hits that they had to dress up to saw off, the jump is like taller than the rail, i still love him though



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Oct 19 2004 7:31PM
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edmonton_skier
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ya i agree we should stick to having the jump ON the stair and like half way up. deffeeet the puspose of even building a jump if its a ride on..
Oct 19 2004 7:32PM
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fr33rid3r
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snowboarders can pop higher than skiers, no questioning that, so we cant really just have an ollie pad, but the jumps are still getting pretty small, which i like better






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Oct 19 2004 7:36PM
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i do it because i like to do 1080's onto rails, and then sometimes back fulls u kno. big jumps are sick and so are 3 stair hand rails
Oct 19 2004 7:38PM
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Oct 19 2004 7:38PM
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nca777
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I think some of you are confusing 'urban' rails with park rails. Having jumps onto park rails is expected and understandable. You can spin 450's or whatever on but nobodys done a 450 onto a urban rail. And even if they were it would still look stupid if they hit the rail straight on from a huge kicker.





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Oct 19 2004 9:02PM
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fucking schillers gap onto that like 30 ft rail in x that has to be the knarliest shit i hav ever seen

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Oct 19 2004 9:08PM
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BK
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the lack of tight fisheye skate influnced filming on urban rails is a bigger problem than the jumps right now. too many boring long shots in most movies.
Oct 19 2004 11:12PM
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With minimal speed and the tiniest of a lip, I find i can pop just as high as snowboarders. Just not when not moving though. I completely agree here.


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Oct 19 2004 11:30PM
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i think we should over-anylize the issue some more.
Oct 19 2004 11:43PM
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it doesnt really matter, its all personal preference. some need it for the help, and some dont


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ECfreeski3
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^^^^^^well philou unnatural lipslid that rail so its ok to have a big jump
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watch volume 11, slc rails with T, his jumps are tiny if non existant, i agree, backflip kickers onto rails suck balls
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