Get some good luggage locks and a good bike lock. Lock it shut and lock it very securely in a location that's not too obvious but still easy to check every lap. Someone with a knife will still be able to take it, but that's the risk you'd need to take. Using an old beat up backback instead of a Lowpro or Sequence would be a good idea.
Dude. Don't hate. Not on his age and not on the fact he doesn't have a car. I'm 21 and I don't have a car. Hell, I don't even have my drivers license.
Be supportive of a little kid that's already out there trying to film his buddies or whatever.
Anyway, it's probably different with video because you need a lot more gear, but when I'm skiing, I just bring a small setup (body+2/3 primes) that fits in my bag easily and I just ski with it. Camera's and lenses are fucking sturdy and unless you plan on hucking cliffs and landing on your back on some rocks, there's no way you can wreck your stuff (my stuff in this case).
I got an F-stop Tilopa for if I'm taking lots of gear. But normally if I'm only taking a little I take a Dakine Heli Pro DXL with F-stop Small shallow ICU. Fits perfectly and leaves room for my shovel, probe, some food and water.
NS is like your family. It's dysfunctional as hell but you still have to love it.
"colorado seems like a sweet place except for the people that go there because it seems like a sweet place making it no longer a sweet place..." -B-runge
A t3i is not top of the line, in fact everything about that camera is geared towards beginners who are looking to get into video for cheap. Back in my day we didn't have DSLRs; you had to drop $3k on a video camera before you even knew if it was something you enjoyed. Rabble rabble stop being a prick.
Come on man. The guy has a Go Pro and an entry-level Canon cameras. Who are you to attack him for this? Honestly, if a 13-year-old is into video/photo, I think this gear is money well spent.
And seriously, top of the line = Canon 1DX, Nikon D4. Stop telling people that buying an entry-level camera to enter into photography is "a bit much". It's bullshit advice. A beginner is supposed to begin with a beginner camera, and the t2i, t3i, t4i are Canons beginner cameras. Period.
To the OP: I would never leave any electronics behind in the ski resort. A GoPro fits in a jacket pocket, so you can take that on the mountain any time. A DSLR requires some planning. If you are skiing/shooting park, you will have to make a choice for the day or rotate a backpack between friends. If you are skiing powder, you will need to carry a backpack anyway so it's easier.
I personally make a choice for the day whether to take my DSLR or not. If I take the DSLR, I most definitely do not hit the park or huck large cliffs, and mostly spend my time shooting my friends. I reckon I take my DSLR 1 out of 10 ski days, maybe less. For the days that I don't want to take my DSLR, I have some smaller camera options that I can easily stash in my backpack or in a jacket pocket (Olympus PEN or a GoPro). If I need to leave a backpack behind. I use shitty old backpack with absolutely no valuables inside.
you are correct, but this kind of edit (see below) DOES NOT warrant getting a DSLR. he should learn to make good edits on a basic camera before stepping up to a very very complex camera (for a 13 yr old). he can barley make an edit with a super easy to use and basic camera, theres no way he will with a t3i.
his skill doesnt deserve a nice camera like that.
kids like this need to quit blaming their gear for shitty ass edits, and start blaming themselves, because i could make a much much better edit with a go pro then him.
and i do currently make much better edits with a camera worse then a gopro right now!
not to mention that he clearly has no good skiing to film
A DSLR is a basic camera...it doesn't get much simpler than a cheap camera with basic manual functions. The fact that you think any sort of DSLR qualifies as a complex video camera says more about you than it does about OP.
a dslr is a basic camera on a more professional level.
not on a 13 year old level. dont even try to bullshit that.
like the guy above said, kids are so apt to blame their shit footage on the gear or the lighting or whatever it may be. until you can even put out an edit using a gopro or lower level entry video camera, you shouldnt have an entry level professional dslr camera.
I bought a T2i when I was 14 (15 now) and I actually knew how to use one before. That kid clearly has no skill at all but dont say just because someone is young they are retarded and dont know how to use/ need a dslr.
"Drunk, hooked on crack, lying in the gutter curled around my skis in the fetal position wearing nothing but the head of a chicken suit.
When I was 14 I used a DVX100b, as did many people. It is still far more complicated than any DSLR available, and it served as a motivation for me to learn the concept of gamma curves, pulldown, knee, sample rate, etc., none of which are found on any DSLR by the way. Saying that a 13 years old is barred from having access to a cheap and simple piece of equipment that allows them to learn and have fun is just snobbish and only reveals your insecurities. And as for the phenomenon where people blame their abilities on their gear: it's an entirely separate issue that in no way came to root in this thread. Stop confusing your arguments.
I would argue that GoPros are more difficult to make videos with because you're stuck without any settings and a fisheye. Just because someone is good at using a GoPro doesn't mean it will translate to a DSLR, and vice versa. Also, the video aspect of a DSLR is basically three settings. 5 if you count the frame rates and picture profiles. I don't want to call your friends retarded, but...
Who are you to dictate what he is or isn't capable of doing? How do you know a GoPro will help him more? It sounds like a DSLR is exactly what he needs.
I should expand on this. Fisheyes are possibly the worst type of lens to learn composition with. Not only do they fail to enable the shooter with different geometric compressions, but the circular distortion actively corrupts the shooters habits by teaching them to put everything in the dead center of the screen. With a DSLR you have access to a cost efficient means of learning the cause/effect of lenses: their focal length, distortion, aperture, and how all these things affect composition/geometry. And considering the other basic features like shutter speed and ISO, a DSLR is actually a perfect learning tool. With a GoPro you have none of these features, and even with the awesome HV40 you are using an electronically controlled aperture, which unlike DSLRs, doesn't blatantly reveal to a newcomer the mechanical workings of aperture.
just because something may be "user friendly" or "easy to use" does not mean a 13 year old knows HOW to use it.
you cant tell me that every other 13-15 year old out there that has their parents buy them a dslr knows much or anything about iso, fstop/aperture, shutter speed, etc.. nonetheless where/when/and the setting to use them in.
you'll prolly say "well thats how they learn". but i'm saying you dont need to buy a kid that young a camera anywhere from a grand or 1500... even more if they buy them different lenses as well.
you CAN learn this stuff and how to use those features on something far cheaper and reasonable for a kid. who has a good chance at breaking it, losing it, etc etc.
have you seen DTF's edits dude? he started filming with a 60D when he was like 13 or 14 or something and was absolutely killing it within a year. as Landis said, a more professional camera only motivates you to learn how to use it to its full potential.
i'm not saying kids that age should be barred from having a camera like that. all i'm saying is you'd be better off starting with something simpler and becoming skilled at the basics before moving on to something on a more high end level.
its like giving a 13 year old a 2012 sports bike before he's proficient at riding a small dirt bike.
i 100% disagree. i guess if we feel differently about this then there's nothing that I can say that will change your mind, but all i'll add is that i bought an HVX when i was 16, which at the time was definitely the equivalent of a 13 year old (or maybe 11 or 12 year old) buying a DSLR today, considering how easy it is to find information on NS these days regarding how to properly use a camera. I didn't have anywhere near the knowledge required to make the most out of my HVX when I bought it, but by the time I sold it like 2.5 years later I knew probably 4 or 5 times as much about how to use a camera because of the fact that I had purchased a camera that was way above my original skill level. I wouldn't have progressed nearly as much had I bought a camera that I was "ready for."
You're talking down to him based on age, but it sounds like you're two years older at most. I've seen you post before, and based on that you don't know shit about video work. You should put a little effort into improving your own creations before coming into the forums ready to put down stoked kids. Everyone starts somewhere, and a DSLR is a great tool to begin the learning process.
I'd also like to point out another entertaining part of your post, "and i do currently make much better edits with a camera worse then a gopro right now!"
And lastly, what does having "no good skiing to film" have to do with anything? He wants to buy a camera to increase the quality of his own work, the talent of the riders has nothing to do with that. It might get more people stoked to watch it online, but riding quality is always independent of filming/editing quality. And would you like to know what's going to happen after he buys the DSLR and gets good at filming? Great riders will be stoked as hell to film with him.
why so much hate? when i was 15 i was filming with a vx1mk1 and a vx21mk2... yeah, i definitely wasn't that great at filming but with time comes experience. just imagine what this kid could produce 5 years from now. for me, though, i found photography to be more appealing and now i'm getting a few g's a month working at a photography studio part time, straight out of highschool with no proper education.
if i were you man, just get a t3i and use it as much as possible. learn everything there is to the camera and when you're ready (you'll know when,) maybe pick up something nicer or invest in some bomb glass. take a few classes at school, see if you really like it. the t3i is a great mid level camera and should last you a while...
To OP: When I'm filming and need to put down some equipment, for whatever reason, I like to ask the lifties to hold onto it. Make friends with some of them, and then when you feel comfortable with them, ask them to just watch it while you lap for a little while. You'll see it each time you come to the bottom and can grab it whenever you're ready. I do this while skiing park at Mount Snow - when I give the lifties my camera/tripod so that I can lap/followcam, my laps become less than ten minutes long because we're flying down the hill. Checking up on my stuff every ten minutes is plenty for me.
Of course you have to trust the lifties, and they're not at all responsible for your shit - if it gets taken on their watch, they're not to blame. Usually they keep my stuff behind the big lift building or next to the console they stand at.
Just my two cents. Worse comes to worst, keep it in your parents' car. Grab the key when you hit the hill, and drop it off there when you're done. You can stash it in the woods too, if you feel comfortable doing that. Woods stash with a little bike lock can be very effective.
Good luck man!
OP: "If you suddenly skied off a huge fuckin cliff and you only had time to throw one last trick before you died, what would it be?"
Malcolm: "id probably just flail my self to death"
"If the overall quality of your film depends on what you shot it on, you aren't ready to make a film." - Barry Green