Touring is super fun if you haven't been and like skiing pow you should do it. Its like hiking and skiing combined so it is sic as hell.
Most importantly you need teh shovel, probe, beacon and smarts to use them thats a must. 1,6, 9, 8, and 11-13 are my tops on my list. If you have those you should be fine. I don't stay over night when I tour because I hate caring a ton of shit touring.
Here are the 13 essentials
Navigation (map and compass)
Sun protection (sunglasses and sunscreen)
Insulation (extra clothing)
Source of fire ( for cigaret, pipe, or starting a fire)
When I use my iPod i can always here some one talking, I don't blast obviously you want to be able to hear partners. When I am skiing down or in avi terrain I take my I pod out which I suggest people should do.
I have heard that phones do mess with the transceiver and if you have them a more foot away from the beacon you should be fine. You can also just turn the phone off same goes with iPods.
I have taken avi courses and got my AIARE Level 1. I know how to use my beacon, probe and shovel properly in tight situations, and can spot dangerous terrain and snow conditions. I'm not some idiot that goes into the bc skiing what ever looks good. I look at the lines I am going to ski before i ski them and try to find all the flaws, where the avi will start and where the safe zones are if shit would turn sour on me. Then I ski the line that I think has the lowest risk. I'm not who you think I am don't judge people you don't know man.
I love touring and do it very frequently and I recommend it to everyone, that being said I have no idea why you would put out a thread trying to instruct people to do it in the middle of July. Also I really hope that people seek out more info or link up with fellow BC skiers in their area and not just read this "13 essentials" before they go out.
summer is a good time to get people thinking about this stuff. That is the reason i did it. To many people step out of bounds and have no idea in fuck what they are doing and getting themselves into. People should take avi classes if they are going in to the BC and get the right gear during the summer so they can get used to the equipment when winter comes. Experience and knowledge beats anything. Lol at the hatters acting tough acting like experts.
Not to mention if your stoned out of your tree and you need to find buried friends how many minutes or seconds have you lost because you hit fat rips from your pipe just before dropping in. Its a game of minutes and every second counts. Personally i feel it has no place in the backcountry. Save it for when you get home.
And the whole ipod thing. EE isn't the big issue here , its not being able to hear whats going on around you ( even if its turned down low ).
you alter your mind all the time. Sex, Skiing, sports, TV, sleep, music, food, coffee, beer, getting dizzy even, those are all altered states of mind. Weed enhances those feelings that you like so I don't know why anyone wouldn't want that.
Personally I dont smoke anymore, But I do know tons of very experienced and professional backcountry athletes that partake in smoking in the mountains and it does not affect their safety or well being at all. Its all a personal preference and depends on how the individual reacts to it, so dont judge people for that.
you don't understand. I don't want to alter my mind by putting chemicals that weren't already in my body into my body. That's just me. I already had this same damn convo with Thizzle and I'm not doing it to the same extent again. say what you want about how it's good for you/ no residual effects, whatever, but in my opinion, especially in the backcountry, I wouldn't want to be high and skiing. Shit scares me. The idea of THC flowing through my brain, changing it, is frightening... because I came with all the equipment I need and I'm not changing that. And I don't believe weed enhances everything.
BUT you're entitled to your life, and I, mine. So I shouldn't be such a stubborn asshole about weed. I just think it's kinda silly when you're rushing down a mountain and you're altered. But it's your choice so hakuna matata to you
Not every one reacts the same way. Others have more physical effects when smoking weed. Alot of athletes don't wear helmets either would say its acceptable to follow suit and you wont get hurt just because the pros do it too. Obviously not and this is the same thing Just because some one is professional does not mean the make the right choices either. Accidents happen and when they are in the backcountry they become serious very quickly. Im not arguing on morals grounds im just stating that when shit hits the fan the odds are already stacked against you, so why add to that by being high.
Yes. I think the key is that not everyone reacts the same. For some, I can definitely see it being somewhat unsafe. But for others, their state of mind is hardly altered when they smoke, its basically the same as someone taking medication for adhd, depression, or whatever grabs you, and it does not change their reasoning/thinking ability one bit. I guess what im saying is it all depends on the person.
Have you ever been high? Smoking bud doesn't physically impair you like drinking does. If anything I react quicker when I am stoned because of my heightened sensitivities to my surroundings. Weed doesn't make you do stupid things if you are used to and can control your high. Unless someone smokes a personal gram of bud I don't think there is a noticeable difference in reactions to the situation. I know that ski patrols burn all the time.
@ TWA I burn joints on the tour and I don't burn weed crucial areas. I burn weed if i am traveling in thick old growth forests that are out avalanche terrain. and am all eyes and ears when we are in potential avalanche terrain. No need to worry about me fumbling with my J if you are buried in snow I'm way more trust worthy than having a woman behind the beacon trying to figure out where you are.
I don't expect someone to trust another they don't even know over the internet. Who would. If you were buried you would rather have me be the one that saw it happen and is in the area than some random passer by.
This is one of those times a hypothetical situation like this doesn't really work or apply to what we were talking about before. Of course I'd rather have the person that saw it, but if I'm buried, I don't give two shits if they're random, if they can read a beacon and help find me I'd be stoked.
I am saying that you would rather have me see and react to you being bought in an avalanche than some average random other person. I am above par when it coms to reading, using and finding a buried body under neath the surface of the snow.
Just stop right there. This is the internet. Nobody gives a flying fuck about your beacon search skills. I, along with a few other people in this thread, would never go into the BC with you, just because of the way you have presented yourself. You have taken a level one class. That is the minimal amount of training. Stop being so confident in your body-finding abilities, because if you take the necessary precautions, that should never happen.
Right, and I too take those precautions so hopefully never have to use my beacon. Man I read so manny books about terrain selection and snow science its ridiculous. I have toured in the BC probably around 60 times I am never over confident with my self in the BC and always asses the avi forecasts and what the layers of snow are doing under my feet. Then calculate the risks involved by terrain selection and test slopes. I'm not some dude who just lets her go and skis down the mountain.
Checking the Avalanche forecast is crucial. There you will find what avalanches are going off, where to find they are triggering, how big and what weak layer is causing it and if the danger is going up or down for the day.
go to this site for avalanche forecasts
Also pay close attention to the avalanche danger rose
Weak layers are weaknesses in the snowpack bonds, lower density snow, hoar frost, and faceting all form weak layers in the snow pack.
faceting is caused by cold dry periods in the weather. This causes the crystals in the old snow to become more "round" and lose their snow crystalline shape. This layer is loose as hell.
Hoar frost is caused by cold humid conditions and forms a frost on the snow. when Hoar is buried it can sometime be very hard to find so read the Avalanche forecasts and pay close attention to the weak layers and why the avalanches are happening.
Low density snow is snow that falls at a lower temp. Becomes a weak layer if heavier warmer snow falls onto
When these layers are buried they all become weak layers so dig a snow pit and check out the layers of snow.
If you can read the layers then you can tell where the snow is breaking, what is causing it to slide and how easily it is to trigger the weak layers to collapse.
What worries me hear is the strong layer on to of the weak layer with the sheet of ice. Thats a recipe for fuckin disaster. Smooth suffices like ice plus a weak layer is not good so watch for that stuff when you are observing your snow pit. The depth hoar on the base of the snow pack also is something to watch and pay attention to because that layer could potentially release all the snow resting onto of it. Usually these things will be pointed out in the Avalanche bulletin.
Testing the snow pack.
Its is best to take observations when you are in the BC. Observe what has happened to the surface layer of the snow. Has there been wind. Is the snow wind loaded is it warming up, has a lot of snow recently fallen? Those are all key things to look for when skiing in an uncontrolled area.
Here are some good videos if anyone is interested.