Bush and Civil Rights

and no, I haven't read the WHOLE report.
-Pat Melvin

some people look at the glass and say its half full... and some look at it and say its a dragon.
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once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
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i just looked at those main points... as far as the 'gender neutral' issue and the racial profiling... bravo.















Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside

racial profiling is fine. Lets be realisitc.. What do most terrorists look like and where are they from and what is their religion.


We pay our debt sometimes.

^that depends on who you define as a terrorist. to many other nations, you yankees are terrorists yourselves. but sadly racial profiling is kinda neccessary because i have no illusions about the certainty of a second attack. i doubt racial profiling will help much, but a drowning animal uses whatever is at it's disposal right?

i feel that most americans have been stripped entirely of their civil rights. the patriot act pretty much allows NSA to poke their noses in whatever they want. the internatinal 'american concentration camps' ie guantanamo (orwhatever they are) and etc strip people of their rights that are defined in the american constitution and the un charter of rights. it sickens me to see a nation herald the principles of freedom and democracy while behind closed doors they engage in the most vile forms of human debauchery (what? you didn't see the humiliated, tortured, and petrified ragheads in iraq on cnn?). frankly america has been abusing it's powers as the world's largest economy for decades now and i've disliked the USA for a while now. i like american people alot, i go there lots and have many good friends, but i think their foreign policy is self centered and hypocritical in many, many ways. i could write a book on this but i'm going to end it here and see what you yuppies have to say.

castro was chill, fuck y'all eh

Well the way I look at it when they were making this country they had no idea we were gonna turn out so good. Now that we 'panned' out and are one of the most powerful nations of all time if not the powerful nation they want to preserve what we've got. I have all the freedom I need. I don't break many laws anymore so I have nothing to worry about. Only people who are doing bad shit need to worry about it and I don't think we need to protect the rights of shitheads anyway. Yeah this country is filled with hipocracy but what nation isnt? I can do anything I want to do with my life. No one is holding me back or telling me what to do. I think you people who don't live in America have a warped idea of our freedoms because it makes you feel better about your 'system'. Name some things I can't do today that I could do 10 years ago.


We pay our debt sometimes.

bring toe nail clippers on an airplane.















Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside

not that it has anything to do with anything but... sell coffee that's too hot.
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener

ok, we all know racial profiling is always 100% correct for examples.

white people love to eat hamburgers, make money and hate other races.

black people love chicken, living in the slums and smoking rocks.

asians all dig tunnels, eat rice and eat dog.

hispanics love to jump over fences, work for low wages and steal things.

indians all love getting small pox, living in teepees and making navajo tacos.

i dont know whats going on, i just like things, and im tired
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------'I want my penis to employ more people than Microsoft.' - Some kid

mcveigh and nichols were arabic?
-Pat Melvin

they wernt turning any international flights back to london for em though were they?

youve got three out of the last... well, all the rest of em that arent arabic.

dont be obtuse melvs.

besides, i would bet that if two sketchy looking dudes that looked like they just came out of the montana woods came into the local rent-a-truck, it would turn some heads.

I thought Kerry supporting the patriot act in some way different from Bush

'Affirmative Action: Instead of promoting affirmative action in federal contracting and education, the administration promotes 'race neutral alternatives,' in many instances not applicable and in others not overly effective at maintaining diversity.'
At least I agree with him on something. Affirmative action is a bad idea.

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'I have all the freedom I need. I don't break many laws anymore so I have nothing to worry about. Only people who are doing bad shit need to worry about it and I don't think we need to protect the rights of shitheads anyway.'

How pathetic. I once heard in a philosophy course that 'Freedom is the ability to do what the law permits.' It really is sad, having somebody else decide what a legitimate life for you to live is. How you should act and what your values should be. You very rights as an american have been stripped and debased and you don't care because you figure if you obey the law you'll be fine. To an extent yes, but I call 'shitheads' like you mindless robots. The law is a fine line and many of life's most sensitive issues often cross the line. How do you deal with issues like abortion, 'drug' consumption, and election fraud? If you're happy living the middle of the road life good for you, but I don't like living in a box.

How has the american public not revolted and booted Bush out of office anyways? The preposterous way he came into office was so gross he may as well have pissed on the constitution. And do you really believe he represents your countries best interests? I mean really, him and his cronies are all billionaires, do you really think he cares about the average american more then his buddies' profit margins? Do you believe his premises for the unilateral and controversial invasion of Iraq? His premises have been proved invalid, untruthful and the authenticity of the conclusion made by his intelligence reports are very skewed. Him and his friends have made BILLIONS and BILLIONS upon the Iraqi war. Was it really in the best interests of America to invade Iraq or in the best interests of Halliburton and etc? How can you trust a man who has mislead the American public so deceivingly?

How stupid is the war on terror anyways? You want to prevent terrorists from attacking your country... so hey, let's recruit them many more fervent soldiers and invade another innocent (not quite but still) country. Gee, they won't hate us for disrupting our lives and humiliating their men. Sorry about all those nice buildings you used to have, they might have WOMD. Stupid fucks, raghead and yankee. You stupid fucks have guaranteed another horrible attack on your country, this time from another nation though. Do you really want to increase hostility and enemies? Do you want the sock puppet who runs your country to continue with his excellent work?

Domestically he's been sucking the big dick too and had led your country into a downfall. The Iraqi invasion is costing over 100 billion dollars, not to mention the extra drain the inflated price of oil has on the economy. Too bad Bush's friends don't share the spoils of war and their oil profits with the rest of the nation. Didn't Bush say something about most smart companies cheating on their taxes anyways? How nice of you Republicans to attack Edwards for that the next week ya two faced fucks.

Really, how can anybody trust Bush? Not only does he lies, but he's stupid. He doesn't make his own decision anyways. Is THAT the man you want in the oval office? You may as well get his dog running the country, he probably listens better. Bush has generated a fervor of hatred of Americans across the world. He gives America a bad name and he's fucking up your country. Like I said, I don't mind Americans and I know you're capable of many great things. It really is a shame you have a shithead running you into the ground instead of striving for glory.

What do I care about America anyways really? I don't, but the stupidity of much of the nations' public boggles my mind and I enjoy bitching really. I'm happy taking your dollars and I'm just glad I don't live there. I'd hate to think a moron ran my country.

I'd feel sorry for you guys, but I know fully well you dugs yourselves your own grave. And you deny that fact still to this day.

'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes.'
-I need to start remembering who says all this shit...

-Pat Melvin

^ hahahahahahahahaha. YES!!!! i love it

its called the social contract. if you dont want to adhere to it, (as people do in most 1st world nations) then jean-jaques, go live in your state of nature out on the siberian steppes. im pretty sure you wont have to adhere to any laws out there, and you will be quite happy.















Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside

'How pathetic. I once heard in a philosophy course that 'Freedom is the ability to do what the law permits.' It really is sad, having somebody else decide what a legitimate life for you to live is. How you should act and what your values should be. You very rights as an american have been stripped and debased and you don't care because you figure if you obey the law you'll be fine. To an extent yes, but I call 'shitheads' like you mindless robots.'

You still have failed to tell me what rights I've been stripped of. you live in canada your government tells you directly or indirectly that your way is better than the way of others just like every other country does. I'm glad you enjoy Canada but please don't even try to tell me what our country should be doing or what my life is like because I'm plenty content with the freedoms I have. No I'm not allowed to rape people I'll deal with it, No I'm not allowed to sell drugs legally for a living I'll deal with it. You really dont know what your talking about. Let me write up a little essay on what life in Canada is like and where its going even though I've only been there once. Sound stupid?


We pay our debt sometimes.

well if you really wanted to know the rights that you have been stripped of include your right to privacy, your right to legal council, your right to be treated in a civil manner much less your heralded miranda rights, and your right to live without the government peeping it's nose into your life. obviously you don't really know what the 'patriot' act really means. but a white boy like you probably doesn't care because your family isn't being racially identified and segragated.

what about drugs? so what if i think some of them should be legalized? if i'm not an incumberence to society and not interfering in anything, is it 'right' for the government to tap my phone calls indiscriminatorily and arrest me? john locke held that 'each person is rational and responsible and is the best judge of what is in his self-interest and that there is no higher value in a liberal society than the freedom of the individual to pursue his natural rights.' fuck the government, i determine how i want to live. not some fuck in a suit.

why don't you go ahead and write that essay. maybe you'll examine what your talking about and realise what's actually going on.

'We pay our debt sometimes.' sometimes? buddy please. i wish you knew the truth as cnn doesn't tell it.

what the hell?

asians dig tunnels?

everything else was dead-on i'd say.
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- Andrew Berwald

Ohh, hucksplat forgive me I didn't realise you were sOOO enlightened. My trivial life defined by what I see on T.V and what CNN tells me to do is nothing compared to the true land of the free 'Canada'. No political or ideological system can hold a candle to Canada's it's just sooo perfect that they get to nitpick other peoples lives that they know little or nothing about. But you did hit the nail right on the head that im just another little whiteboy who doesn't have to deal with racial profiling. I used to have a real life before the patriot act. I am really getting tired of you over-generalizing assholes telling me about my life. You don't know shit, you don't know me, you don't know where I've been, what I've been through and you just sound like a fucking moron trying to guess as to what the answers to those questions might be. I have every freedom in my everyday life that a Canadian has other than the right to sub-standard healthcare.


We pay our debt sometimes.

what about drugs? so what if i think some of them should be legalized? if i'm not an incumberence to society and not interfering in anything, is it 'right' for the government to tap my phone calls indiscriminatorily and arrest me?

So your saying herion and cocaine should be sold at stores like they used to? Or are you refering to the fact that in certain parts of Canada marijuana is legal or de-criminalized? Honestly, like anewmorning said anyone who doesn't like our system feel free to leave the doors open. I personally don't mind buying into the 'rules' of living in American society I think the trade-offs are fine. If I wanted 100% freedom I would be living in the jungle somewhere bragging to all the poisonous frogs about how cool it is to live without laws. There are plenty of countries in this world to live in and if people were upset with patriot act they can by all means buy into another 'System' but to say yours is superior is just ignorant.


We pay our debt sometimes.

i dont get this shit... do you understand how much work it would be to just up and leave? first you have to move all your stuff, you have to get a visa, maybe citizen ship, you have to find an employer. its pretty damn hard. this 'if you dont like it, leave' shit just doesnt cut it.
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener

why would you want to be held down by the constraints of a job though? then you will have to pay taxes, obey tax code, and if you lie, you could have the law come down on you. that is the exact problem that captain canada is talking about. thats the man holding you down.

if you want to be truly free, you will eschew all the conveiniences that are afforded you by the ev-il (like the fru-its of the de-vil, e-vil) government, and make a canoe out of driftwood, and sail to siberia, or mongolia where you can live in pure, sweet, unadulterated freedom. you could hunt yaks, or even better, herd swine.















Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside

my respect for you just disappeared.
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener

oh. (lament) im crushed. a bit sensitive are we?















Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside

'So your saying herion and cocaine should be sold at stores like they used to? Or are you refering to the fact that in certain parts of Canada marijuana is legal or de-criminalized?'

^ drugs aren't even the issue.

what i'm saying is that what the bush administration has done is wrong.

1- the invasion of iraq was based on evidence that the administration deliberately mislead the american public about. bush and cheney's motivation behind the whole war are dubious and questionable. it is reasonable to believe that the vested interest these men had weighed heavily in their decision to incur into iraq.

2- the treatment of suspected terrorist suspects is appaling. the laws that were enacted to deal with them are unconstitutional and violate the rights of american citizens. sure you can interrogate them and detain them. but you can't deport them to an island somewhere, not allow them any form of communication to the outside world and leave them and their families and their countries in limbo. this happens to non-us and us citizens.

3- the american economy is sputtering. questionable tax policies and stretching military expenditures have stressed the bush budjet. again, who benefits from the tax cuts and who benefits from the military money. halliburton in both counts, uncontested in awardings of military contracts for the second. can this evidence of political misconduct again overlooked?

4- i'm not telling you how to run your country. i'm sorry if i came across as such. i spend my summers in the states actually and i kinda like some parts. nice people, fun towns, and nice scenery. dickheads are everywhere, canada too. i'm not even saying our canuck system is better even. our government is just as corrupt and frankly maybe this rant should be directed and the vilification of poilitics in general across the world. absolute power corrupts absolutely. i admire the american constitution and much of what it stands for. i think your nation was founded on noble intentions, it's just some of the caretakers of the country have been inept.

i'm not attacking america, i am attacking Republican party and the people who head the organization.

what i'm saying is that bush has distorted the priorities of the american nation and he has acted extremely poorly as an embassador to your nation. his questionable motivations, controversial decisions, and equally controversial laws have reflect badly.

my real question is why do YOU think he is the man to support. why do you think his record is impeccable and his war in iraq is just and noble ? do you the influences of halliburton and the attainable oil were not relevant to the justification of invasion? do you want this man of questionable character to run the country.

why does everybody think i hate america and americans? i just hate a few in particular, bush, cheney, rice, and the rest of them cronies. i guess that 'you're either with US or you're with the terrorists' slogan might be displayed right here.

kerry ain't no prize either. i don't like him in particular, but i think he's genuinely intelligent (unlike bush) and that he is also the morally superior man. atleast he went into combat, what did bush actually do? i just think that he is the more deliberate thinker and that he would steer america OUT of the mess bush created rather than deeper in.

speaking of drugs:
'So your saying herion and cocaine should be sold at stores like they used to? Or are you refering to the fact that in certain parts of Canada marijuana is legal or de-criminalized?'
^ drugs aren't even the issue. and if i remember correctly, bush has had his adventures with a columbian product of fame anyways. my stances on drugs are irrelevant to this conversation really. i just happen to like weed. you missed the point entirely, somebody else brought it up and i was just replying to him

and one last thing:
the invasion to iraq was actually really bad idea i think. perhaps i give of a condensceding tone when i write and you all hate me for criticizing, but seriously, invading countries WILL generate more hatred and more attacks. it is that hatred that fuels more terrorist attacks. to win the war on terrorism, you not only have to contain the terrorist; you must also contain and soothe the hate. every consequence has a cause, i suggest you research the cause of the hatred for americans from middle east nations and try to deal with that. why do they hate america to the point of flying airplanes into it's buildings? find out about these things and address them. perhaps if america genuinely attempted to address these concerns hostilities would decrease.

Fair enough, and I don't support Bush I tend to lie somewhere in the middle. I thought of myself as an anarchist growing up and all I wanted to do is overthrow 'the man' but sometime between then and now I've grown up or as some of you might call it 'conformed' I don't mind our system. I was in class the other day (my professor is middle eastern not sure where from) but anyway he was talking about one of his friends who recently moved to America. His friend said 'To people that complain about not being able to make it in America and are discriminated against should try to live elsewhere in the world for a year come back to America and just smile' We have it good we have it real good. At the cost of others, sure. But if the roles were reversed would they expliot us for their benefit, probably.


We pay our debt sometimes.

we have it very well, but why not try to improve?
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener

I'm all about improving but seeing as improvement is an opinion. One group of people may think we are improving while another group thinks we are regressing. So who should get their way? The larger population? The lunatic fringe? Thats why drastic changes dont happen very often I think


We pay our debt sometimes.

one thing though, we all agree that some things are problems but let certain beliefs... or just laziness get in the way. we all know bush is taking away personal liberties, we all know were harming the environment, we all know we need to improve educational policies, especially in regards to health and population control... most people seem to think that the world is unsafe and that their lives could end at any minute due to some abiguous foreign threat... but what do we do about these problems? we say, meh, well deal with them later, except for the last one... where we allow the solutions thought up for us to fleece us... and then we go on with business as ussual. gas up and go.
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener

true dat, I think people in general are more worried about dying in a freak accident then they are in more likely circumstances (car crashes, poor health, exc). I really think it would be best for this planet for the human race to just wipe itself out. If you picture in your head the last few hundred years of human society and try to project where this is going it looks real bad. The fact that we choose economy over environment is going to have drastic consequences within the next few hundred years. I almost feel that we have gone too far to change our ways and who knows what it will take at this point for humanity to get on a less superficial, long-term benefits path.


We pay our debt sometimes.

it does look that way, i agree, but im not about to give up and contribute to the problems. slow change, thats all you can hope for. hope that enough people figure it out and eventually some semingly miraculous solution is found.
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
16 to a real ugly fat girl but whatever beauty is but a lightswitch away - wiener

'''2- the treatment of suspected terrorist suspects is appaling. the laws that were enacted to deal with them are unconstitutional and violate the rights of american citizens. sure you can interrogate them and detain them. but you can't deport them to an island somewhere, not allow them any form of communication to the outside world and leave them and their families and their countries in limbo. this happens to non-us and us citizens. '''


Apparently this shit happens in Canada too your just too busy critizing America to notice
http://www.zerra.net/freemohamed/comment.php?comment.news.273


We pay our debt sometimes.

^ shitty for those guys.
like i said, i might as well have stated a discourse on the political improprieties of the world, but this thread is bush and civil rights and that's what i talked about. i acknowledged the failings of our own canadien system, there's plenty of fallacies. thanks for bringing up that, i wasn't aware of that situation.