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coolflash8
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It's true
Jun 1 2012 12:06PM
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MACAQUE
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Haha fuck. +K to you. I haven't done that in forever.

And yes, it is a pretty big difference.
Jun 2 2012 4:59PM
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Bill.Nye
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Is it?

"Interdisciplinary research in pharmacology, psychology, physiology and neurobiology is just beginning to shed light on the incredible hold that tobacco has on people. Scientists have found, for instance, that nicotine is as addictive as heroin, cocaine or amphetamines"

Jun 2 2012 5:04PM
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Bill.Nye
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"'Heroin addicts say it is easier to give up dope than it is to give up smoking,'says Dr. Sharon Hall, a psychology professor whose research at the University of California's San Francisco medical school centers on methods of curtailing drug abuse."

Same article
Jun 2 2012 5:06PM
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geteducated
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lol.

first rule of scientific research is to look at the source.


lol!!!
Jun 2 2012 5:09PM
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Bill.Nye
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NORML isn't the source, they just reprinted it. The source is given in the top left hand corner, it was reported on in this article


The surgeon general has made the same comparison of nicotine to heroine or cocaine.


And the University of Minnesota

Jun 2 2012 5:19PM
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Mr.Sloth
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Well this troll thread is trolling along nicely.
Jun 2 2012 5:20PM
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.ZT.
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why is that source bad?
Jun 2 2012 5:22PM
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MACAQUE
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For one, all of those articles are from over a decade ago.

More importantly, none of them address my most important point, which is the speed at which smokers get addicted to cigarettes. They all talk about the strength of addiction once users are already addicted. I'm talking about the process of getting addicted.

I bet that if you found the ratio of people who have ever used a smoked tobacco product to those who have ever been addicted to a smoked tobacco product it would be comparatively low.


But all of that is beside the point. It's their own damn choice, so let them make it. As I said, as long as people aren't smoking indoors in public places and leaving filters all over the place, I really don't give a shit.
Jun 2 2012 5:27PM
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Bill.Nye
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Cigarettes have more nicotine in them today than they did 10 years ago, so anything they said 10 years ago would be more true today.


As for the difference between speeds at which people become addicted, I'm sure that's all true. In fact one of the reasons cigarettes are so dangerous is that you don't really notice any adverse health effects until you're already heavily addicted, and once you're at that point, recidivism rates among people trying to quit smoking and people trying to quit heroin are comparable (about 75-80%)

I'm not arguing that it's not a "personal choice" or that it should be legal. I actually think that heroin is also a personal choice and should be legal. That doesn't mean either one isn't extremely addictive or terrible for you.

Also, about 49,000 people a year die from second hand smoke (Source: http://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/publications/AAG/osh.htm), so I think smoking in public venues or around kids should absolutely be illegal.
Jun 2 2012 5:38PM
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Flying~Squirrel
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Jun 2 2012 5:40PM
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Flying~Squirrel
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clicky
Jun 2 2012 5:42PM
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MACAQUE
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So everything I said in my post is true and still relevant. Awesome.

And as for the age of the study, I'm just questioning its validity based on current knowledge. Testing methods change A LOT in 10 years, even for something that appears simple.
Jun 2 2012 6:39PM
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Casual.
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the only problem i have with cigarettes is how much they cost. if you are short on rent/loans/etc yet have enough money to buy a pack a day, that's when i start to have a problem with cigarettes.

having said that, if it doesn't effect the rest of your life, then I have no problem with smokers.
Jun 2 2012 6:58PM
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Bill.Nye
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Except for the part about there being a pretty big difference between the addictiveness of nicotine and heroin. Once someone's hooked, there's not much difference. There are other differences of course.
Jun 2 2012 6:59PM
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Bodhisattva_
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Another great point. Think about it, even if you smoke a pack every 3 to 4 days that is like $15 a week minimum. Ridiculous warde of money and I c can't believe all you fucking dildos rationalizing smoking. Poison yourself if you want it is your choice but do not deny that it is stupid and a waste of money.
Jun 2 2012 7:34PM
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MACAQUE
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That wasn't my point at all, but I'll go with it since I don't feel like doing any more explaining

Jun 2 2012 7:58PM
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MACAQUE
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That wasn't my point at all, but I'll go with it since I don't feel like doing any more explaining

Jun 2 2012 7:58PM
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Bill.Nye
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It's just what you said....
Jun 2 2012 8:02PM
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tronned
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i love smoking. that is all. I would be willing to bet i am much smarter than yourself. fuck yourself.
Jun 2 2012 8:06PM
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Bill.Nye
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Smarter than you*
Jun 2 2012 8:13PM
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coolflash8
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Whoa buddy. Nice grammar
Jun 2 2012 8:14PM
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Bodhisattva_
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The first part of your post negates the 2nd. That is all. Fuck yourself. Die of lung cancer it will make less stupid opiniated people in the world.
Jun 2 2012 8:32PM
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Miomo
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I think what he's saying is that this generation more or less knows that smoking is bad for you. This is especially true in the US where there are huge campaigns against smoking. Therefore, them starting to smoke in the first place is an act of stupidity until they get addicted the the third time they do it. Everything after that is a case of helplessness due to addiction and an inability to kick the habit until it affects them in a negative personal way.
Jun 2 2012 8:32PM
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deleted5
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Well people smoke because they think it will make them look cool. Yeah sound like a great reason to do it.
Jun 2 2012 8:52PM
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ski4fun420
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This is the reality of cigarettes.
Jun 2 2012 8:56PM
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salomon097
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you seriously think people are addicted after the third cigarette they ever smoke? thats fucking retarded. from my personal experiences and observations you need to smoke regularly and consistently for many years in order to become so addicted that it becomes extremely difficult to quit.

but then again, like someone pointed out earlier, i seem to have a high tolerance for nicotine so maybe some people are addicted after 3 cigarettes. i know for me atleast i still thought they tasted really weird and made me feel sick after my third one.
Jun 2 2012 8:59PM
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84891jnf92048
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There is a buzz that you get from tobacco....
Jun 2 2012 9:05PM
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baethoven
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I'm pretty sure I'm much smarter than you, and yea, I smoke occasionally.

I've smoked pretty consistently for 4 years, and have finally recently begun to cut back. Was it a personal decision to buy 5 or 6 packs a week? No not really, my body felt like it needed them. Am I happy that I smoke less than a pack a week now? Fuck yea. The whole time I've been smoking I've watched my flem getting darker, my cough getting worse, and my lung capacity shrink.

It's a personal decision that everyone is entitled to when they turn 18. Not everyone cares about making it to 70 as badly as you. In no way does that make them dumber than you. Go back to D.A.R.E and go whine there.
Jun 2 2012 9:17PM
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Miomo
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Well I'm just stating what I've been told about how many times it takes to become addicted. But once you are addicted, as i stated, it becomes very difficult to quit until you are affected negatively, due to the "It won't happen to me" mindset that people would have prior. If it's not that, it's due to some other reason, although some people lose limbs and get cancer and don't stop. This is all just a theory, though. But you are correct in saying that addiction gets worse over time.
Jun 2 2012 9:18PM
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84891jnf92048
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wait, so is it a normal thing for smokers' limbs to just fall off?
Jun 2 2012 9:28PM
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asfdfads
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awesome
Jun 2 2012 9:33PM
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Bill.Nye
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Smokers are 16x more likely to suffer from peripheral artery disease, which can necessitate amputations.

I don't know if I'd say it's a "normal" consequence of smoking, but it happens enough to be medically recognized.
Jun 2 2012 9:34PM
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baethoven
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Let me go grab my pack real quick.
Jun 2 2012 9:36PM
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Crowley.
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I approve
Jun 2 2012 9:38PM
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deleted5
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What a stupid fucking thing to say. Yes I'm sure most of the 14 and 15 years olds (the age when most of my friends started to smoke) take that first hit of cigs to get that buzz.
Jun 2 2012 9:40PM
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Bill.Nye
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Fun Fact: Clint Eastwood in real life is a lifelong non-smoker and a vegan.
Jun 2 2012 9:41PM
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salomon097
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see i respect you because you can respond to something you disagree with without being an asshole. that cannot be said truthfully about 95% of NS.

on a side note, i feel like you will never quit until you yourself REALLY want to. if you cant quit, then you dont want it bad enough. my dad quit smoking bc when i was a little kid (like 3 years old) i used to pick up butts from the ashtray and put it in my mouth to be like dad. it made him sick to his stomach to see. that was enough to make him quit cold turkey. he never smoked another cigarette again and that was 20 years ago.

you can hear people preach at you until the cows come home, but until YOU YOURSELF TRUELY WANT IT, your not going to quit. Mind over matter. but you need to legitimately want it.
Jun 2 2012 9:42PM
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baethoven
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What a stupid fucking thing to say. If you actually smoked you'd realize that even the most "experienced" smokers still get a "buzz." If I don't smoke for a few days, and wake up to a cigarette my body can get shaky..
Jun 2 2012 9:44PM
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Bill.Nye
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Scratch the vegan part and change it to "health conscious eater."


Jun 2 2012 9:44PM
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Heart
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op may be getting his point across in a douchey way, but hes right. troll thread successful
Jun 2 2012 9:49PM
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84891jnf92048
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No that's true, but looking cool isn't the only reason people smoke.
Jun 2 2012 9:53PM
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Bill.Nye
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Possibly the main reason they start though.
Jun 2 2012 9:55PM
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derekstreesv2
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Who the fuck would want to deal with that? You have to take cigarettes to not get tremors just for a small buzz. doesn't seem pleasing or worth it.
Jun 2 2012 9:56PM
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JzD.
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I smoke I own.












Loljk
Jun 2 2012 9:59PM
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baethoven
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First off "take cigarettes?" c'mon...


and secondly the buzz that I'll get from not smoking for a few days is what makes me shaky, not whatever you said... sooo what do we do now chief?
Jun 2 2012 9:59PM
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.batman.
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I don't think that the people are stupid. I think that they are not going to live as long, and are stupid for not making the decision for wanting to live longer, but they're not stupid in any other way.
Jun 2 2012 10:02PM
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Bill.Nye
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The medical term is withdrawal.
Jun 2 2012 10:03PM
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.ZT.
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NS Logic:
Support teens starting smoknig weed

Against teens starting smoking cigs

(just something I noticed)

Also smoking in any form is bad for you. It is proven. Again it is your choice too.
Jun 2 2012 10:04PM
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84891jnf92048
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I mean, black is a way cooler color than fuckin pink.
Jun 2 2012 10:05PM
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baethoven
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No. Not at all, that's what you feel when you're not using. Take it from someone that's been addicted to more than just cigs.
Jun 2 2012 10:05PM
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