New fd wear edit

no thats it. you are the smartest most all knowing person on the internet. youve got everyone figured out and youre better than the rest. congrats.

never ever liked fd untill now

I wonder how many views this thread is getting this video...

bad marketing my ass haha

Thats what I'm talking about....

Those who support this will be fuelled by those that hate it.

I'm telling you, its just like gangsta rap in the '80s. I've been there and done this, and it created a massive industry that still is around today.

People may disagree with Bishop, but he's smart and knows his shit. I laughed when someone tried to call him on using the phrase "Never ever ever", saying that it was "really eloquent for a 33 year old" or whatever. Seriously guys... you really have to dig that hard to tear him down? That's some petty shit.

Although I hated the video too I don't see anywhere where Bishop is seriously WRONG about anything he's saying, it's all opinion, and it's an informed one.

Also - telling him he's unprofessional for trolling? THIS IS NEWSCHOOLERS. We are the DEFINITION of E-trolling in the ski community, and it's fucking fun. Bishop has been trolling harder, better, and longer than many people on here can understand. I didn't even read the post on the other websites in question and I think it's awesome.

INB4 anyone says anything about me being a Doug Bishop fanboy or on his jock or something, I don't give a fuck because he's the man.



Now for my opinion on the video:

The video was dumb because they were trying too hard. If that was actually how they do shit, that's one thing... but it just didn't feel genuine.

Besides the fact that it didn't feel genuine to me, my only other gripe with it is that being raised by a law enforcement officer / tactical firearms instructor, I think shooting the signs was moderately irresponsible from a safety standpoint (although I think people are placing a little too much weight on that) and very irresponsible from a destruction of public property standpoint, I hate seeing signs that are shot up. But then again, who knows how much damage I've done skating and sliding urban rails, as well as street art stuff when I was younger... soooo I don't have much of an argument there.

Besides that it was awesome. I've personally done a bunch of that shit - partied and broke stuff, driven much more recklessly than that (claim). It's fun.

It's not so much that I hated this video, more the support it got from a lot of people on the facebooks and the intertubes. And not just because it had support, you know, I totally agree with you on the different images and lifestyles being good for freesking. And as you said, appealing to a niche market is really what this is all about (and a smart move, business wise*); what irked me was that the people who supported it either had the lazy intellectualism of the bro's throwing totes original memes around, or they truly believed that there was nothing at all wrong going on in the video.

Yeah, it was satire - if you couldn't figure it out, just look at the grills. Yeah, it was staged - they were clearly shooting blanks and only once did they drift in to oncoming traffic. It's hard for me to explain where I'm coming from, but it was the marketing that, "Hey! It's okay to be sexist, to break laws, and to be a giant douche canoe canoeing your douche self up douche creek because freeskiing". I just can't get over that as an excuse. If they were honest about it it would have sat way better with me, I'm down with 'being wrong' and all that. I would still condemn shooting out of a moving car on public roads (holy fuck is that not the stupidest goddamn shit you could ever do), the blatant sexism, and the general 'let's see how dumb we can be because ignorance is fat shit' attitude of the whole thing, but I wouldn't care as much because that would be on them, and not on me.

I don't mean to presume, please correct me if I'm missing the mark here: I think I understand where you (and probably Lesh and pals) are coming from, freeskiing helped you take a stand on who you were and what you wanted to be, it allowed you to tell your world to fuck itself and it's consequences because damn was it good to be a freeskiier. You took what you learned from your life and used it to help shape freeskiing in to what it is, and I have so much respect for everyone in on the sport around that time. And being a part of that probably taught you a lot, too, right? I mean, I came in to freeskiing late to the party, after it was established as a serious thing, and there was a lot of business and infrastructure backing it. I came in to freeskiing knowing that I was nothing to anyone, no reason to consider myself as someone with any worth in the world. Freeskiing gave me the focus to figure out who I wanted to be; what freeskiing has taught me is who I am.

After reading your reply and writing this out, my main complaint isn't so much that they did it, more so how they went about it. Kosher is pretty bullshit, that's not what I'm saying - they're pandering to a niche crowd that loves nothing more than to be pandered to (which is pretty fucking smart business ethics, I'll admit), and reinforcing the dumb ideas that crowd has. Again, it was satire, I know that; however, where the satire ended, there was still a lot of dumb thoughts being sold to that niche crowd. The things I loved about this edit are firstly how stoked they are to have a business up and running doing well enough to put this together; I loved that they have a plane and someone who spent the time to get a pilots license and then flew the plane to fuckin' Breck for a day; I loved the drifting, and I loved the skiing. They could have easily done something else for the other crap, kept the same aim at that niche market, and not come off as willfully ignorant (which I'm not saying they are) even through the satire. I love freeskiing, but I hate (literal, seething wroth) some of the attitudes within it if not the reasoning behind those attitudes, and I think that there is a difference between being dumb, and being fucking dumb.

TL;DR

Be dumb, not fucking dumb.


*I'm sorry for one of my comments earlier about this edit not being freeskiing. I should have said that this edit isn't what freeskiing is to me, and I think the thinking behind it is dangerous for everyone in the sport.

Thanks for the sane discussion Mr. Bishop, I'd love to keep it going.

Shit.

New TL;DR

Be dumb, not fucking dumb, and never fucking try too hard.

Yea, supporting a small company run by skiers for skiers is stupid. B Devine? Lesh? WHO ARE THOSE GUYS?! They definitely don't know the industry that's for damn sure. "Thug" is OUT. Get with the hip fad losers. Sheesh.

Thanks Link, real eye opener.

Even though I personally did not like the edit, I have to give it up to Mr. Bishop for presenting the most coherent and intelligent argument in this thread. It is good to see him in the fray of this, he doesn't have to do that. Obviously he has strong views on this subject, like most people who are posting do.

Love it or hate it, one fact no one can deny is that the edit was entertaining, no doubt about it

These guys shot themselves in the foot (pun intended) with the guns. Honestly if the guns and the shooting out of the car window were not in the edit, no one would be worked up. People have strong feelings about guns, and canadians and europeans have very different opinions than americans.

made it to about 2:00. basically when he loaded his gun then grabbed a pair of skis.

i'm surprised it hasn't been said yet, but I think they underestimated the power of the internet by posting illegal shit on video. I guarantee that they end up getting some pretty hard fines/tickets from this video. Hell, I got a 900$ ticket, which was actually a felony if I were to fight it (didn't fight it, paid the ticket), for something I posted on newschoolers about a smoke shack I helped with. Just letting everyone know there's rats everywhere on the internet, even on NS

agreed 110%!!

at that point, wouldn't you just say "alright, this clearly isn't serious, I'll just laugh at the stupid antics and hope for good skiing?"

Unfortunately the skiing was subpar for a professional edit but I mean, they still had some dope tricks and anyone would have thought this was sick if it weren't made by the heads of a company.

I personally would love to do every one of those things in that video (besides drifting into oncoming traffic, which was probably spotted and staged to make it seem more dangerous and "risque."

I agree with bishop, I feel that y'all are arguing over very very petty shit that didn't hurt anybody, probably couldn't have hurt anyone, and all in all creating a huge marketing campaign from this edit. This campaign is probably the opposite effect y'all haters wanted. I never really even heard of First Drop before this video and now I actually have the smallest inkling to buy it despite the fact that I prefer 20k/20k breathability/waterproofness (I'm assuming that FD is not). They look like they have a fun attitude on life. Rockstar status.

Wake up with two girls, take a swig of vodka to cure the hangover, have a buddy fly the plane. Go drifting. Go shredding. Come back and party again. THEN tell me you didn't have the greatest time of your life. Sharing that experience in an edit is bad? Clearly the drinking and plane flying was staged. Music videos are staged as well, I feel like this was trying to capture that vibe.

and yes, I have done most of those things, which is why I'm not complaining about a little gun action, drifting, and very nice titties. /claim

The guns were a little over the top, yes, but GODDAMN. You think they wouldn't have thought this through? They are adults, running a company that clearly has some amount of success. They are integrated into the ski industry...and are here to make a run for some money. They have every right to do so.

I'm NOT trendy. I've liked 4bi9 since the beginning. Tom Wallisch and 4bi9 edits were the 1st I ever watched, and was highly entertained  by the crazy shenannigans, but more importantly the skiing of these guys. Btw, over the past 3 years, I've had a chance to meet most of the guys in 4bi9, so that crew is special to me, and always will be. Oh, and Tom was not even seen drinking,or holding a drink in that House video even though  he is of age,as are most the 4bi9er's.

Even though I'm 50, I'm not too old to remember what college daze were like. In general, the reality is, college age kids are going to party, and even trash their apartments,dorms, houses,,,etc. I will admit that the scene of destruction in 4bi9's video did make me cringe. I didn't know it was possible to make that big of a mess, but hey....it's not my place. Then there was the disrespect to Tom's Cup.....he worked hard for that haha!! JK, part of the memories Tom will hold of his amazing year, will be all the dents and scratches that Dew Cup bares, always reminding him of the great times with friends!:)

I do have a college age son btw, and  I don't have blinders on. I'm sure some partying goes on. I've seen his apartment, and it's a mess etc. Thank goodness he has sense to not post anything incrimenating on line since he is underage.Let's just say I pray...A LOT! My other kids are strongly apposed to drinking and drugs do to myself being a RA and living a life of sobriety, and viewing the 4bi9,or any other media doesn't influence them to go out and be a copycat. If I worried about that, I wouldnt have allowed my daughter to go see Hunger Games at midnight last night!!

BTW, I haven't even commented on the 4bi9 House thread because I thought it would be inappropriate for a "mom" to find it a very funny edit. I liked it a lot. I'd be MUCH more desturbed to find out my kids were out driving around on public roads, armed with guns, shooting blindly and vandalizing road signs, than I would be to find out the were at a party celebrating the victory of their friend winning the Dew Cup and messed the house up. 4bi9 owns or rents that house. It's their problem to pay the consequences while we laugh. Finally, I would be very dissapointed if 4bi9 used guns,other than at a shooting range, in one of their future edits. I hope they don't because that isn't necessary. Armed with a beer is good/bad enough.

You know, that is a damn interesting point which I had not thought of until this conversation. In fact, this might be a huge piece of the puzzle that I am missing in my view of everything right now...

What you're saying is that Newschool skiing was just a totally regular thing to you when you were growing up as a young skier? So you have no establishment to rage against... as really from that perspective newschool would be the establishment. Shit even Newschoolers would just be the dead normal way that things happen.

So someone who grew up with action sports wouldn't even know that before it wasn't normal to be doing this stuff. Society looked down upon it, you were called outcasts and frowned upon by default... to you you would not have experienced this.

That would certainly account for a massive gap between the logic I'm using and the logic you're using. You could see something like this as a threat to what you very much like to do.

I think I get that perspective. Its a touch shockingly mature for me, but hey... gotta roll with the times.

I thank you very much for your eloquent manner in which you organized your response. It added a lot to this conversation. I also respect your opinion, and those who absolutely hate this video and everything it stands for.

I however still love it. Raging against the machine is fun.

The difference in opinion is the spice of life, and the variety that made skiing fun again. So what we should all do is lighten up, like what we like, hate what we hate, but realize that we're all skiers just trying to have a good time.

On a positive note, I noticed on Facebook that Lesh got a personal message from Mark Frank Montoya stating his overwhelming support for this video. That stokes me out hard.

Well, obviously.

Like I said in another thread, some people who started freeskiing/newschool in 1996-1998, whatever the real date is accounted as, may now have children, children who have grown up with newschool being "a thing", not a fight against the power, just a sport as much as anything else.

While I was 15 when I first picked up a pair of twins after snowblading a while, the sport was there. I found NS, Skiing Motion, all that stuff, and finally saw my first movie, Happy Dayz, and even in black and white, it really gave me some perspective that while there weren't too many twintippers around compared to boarders even in Talma, there was a "switch" side to skiing and it was a realized one.

To me, this edit was the Rebecca Black's 'Friday' equivalent for skiing. The worst edit ever made yet it will be famous and highly watched

CHING Ching chin ching CHING

RIP to Drama Llama's head. One of the greatest modern day mysteries ever.

I think that might have been the ultimate real-world troll on me.

wut

He's trying to convince me to go on a ski trip where he lives and buy beer with Newschoolers money.

I think I'll bite. I'd love to meet this dude in person.

the logo on thew side of your G ass impreza looks like a dick, fd

10 pages...10 pages deep...we talk about this shit way too much.

At 22,000 Vimeo views, 10 forum pages on NS, and 12 pages on TGR, I'd say this video did exactly what Lesh intended it to do.

David's a genious haha. He must be laughing so hard reading all these comments!!:D

this edit is great not for its content, but for what its started.

that was fucking sick, fuck dem haters

*genius

I gotta say, the only thing I didn't like about this was how it seemed pretty fake. It's kind of a played out concept, and it didn't even seem natural, but if I look at it like a joke then it's pretty funny I guess.

So many novels in this thread.

Trend whore.

Ha yeah.

This thread just got epic.

You are so lame

douche

Someone's jealous. But at least you're admitting to all of NS how big of a piece of shit you are.

pretty sure lesh has priors...this could get interesting in a hurry

Really interesting take on the killing, been keeping an eye on it because its so outrageous. Very relevant to people's concerns with this video.

Wow all those thug life scenes and then when they ski their clothes aren't even that baggy haha

One edit got so much attention, that is just great marketing. Bravo FD crew not an easy task.

I have been told summit county PD is conducting an investigation because they werent in the town limits of breck when the shots were fired.

there always was that joke about the glock pocket... but i thought it was hilarious. more fun to watch than after dark :p

Stop hiding behind an alias and be a man.

10 points for whoever outs this one.

If serious troll is serious...

then Mr.Bishop weeps a tear for one notch of fun being sucked out of skiing.

How exactly does a couple of people associated with a outerwear company, doing some stupid stuff 1000s of miles from me, have even the slightest effect on the fun I have while skiing?

reading this entire thing tomorrow