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Dew Tour Judging

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sander_h
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Look, I know the judges are only human. However, there were many questionable score's and inconsistencies. Goepper somehow scores better on a double 14 to the side of the landing with a flail halfway through? I just to not understand.

Feb 12 2012 4:29PM
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H8CH
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Post Woodsy's run....

They need to sort this judging shit out before the olympics otherwise it'll be a laughing stock sport on the global stage... Seems SO subjective and inconsistent.



Feb 13 2012 9:07AM
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Blurst
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Ya exactly. Who will be in charge of designing the olympic course?
Feb 13 2012 10:13AM
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Newschool_Pope
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woodsys run is in the first vid. they have no seperate video of him
Feb 13 2012 10:17AM
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beowulf
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Does anyone have footage of lakers dub 16?
Feb 13 2012 10:27AM
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sick-as-aids
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You guys might hate Goepper and Bobby because they dont wear 5xl jibberish and walk around barking like dogs and dont land and attempt to throw their head down between their legs and suck their dick, which is super thug i know! lol. But they are comp skiers who slay the shit outta those courses, and probably read the hate and laugh their arses off as they take their prize $$ to the bank. Your all just jealous.
Feb 13 2012 12:02PM
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j_hamborg
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Slope "Style"

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Feb 13 2012 12:17PM
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sick-as-aids
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funny how much effort you just went to and it wasnt even funny.

If you slow mo'd or freeze framed anyones run at certain points you would get the same results.
Feb 13 2012 12:20PM
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Blurst
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Andreas doesnt wear 5xl jiberish and he is one of my favourite skiers to watch.
Feb 13 2012 12:23PM
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LivingColour
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that's how I slow down when I go switch :( don't make fun of me!
Feb 13 2012 12:26PM
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snocompton
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course was equally a major joke. dono how the championship event can only have 2 jumps..
Feb 13 2012 12:31PM
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McLeod
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bobby is a boss and throwin him in there is a bit of an insult. bobby is dialed, he is smooth, holds his grabs for godly amounts of time and all around is on point. not every skier needs to wear "5xl jiberrish" to be sick..... goepper's skiing however is downright ugly, loose, forced and all around not what skiing needs represented as the "best" in the sport, as winning one of our only national televised contests would suggest. Goepper looks like he went out to windells and learned every big trick necessary for contests on trampolines and airbags while completely spacing any sort of progression/building up through the difficult smaller spin combos etc. and his arms/windup in his rail game his downright uggggggly, jesus.

but Goepper works really hard, has some insane tricks in his bag, and seems like a nice enough kid so congrats on his first win.
Feb 13 2012 12:33PM
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Literature
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Wallisch was as tech with his jibs and went way bigger. I think he got robbed.

But mucho thanks for the video.
Feb 13 2012 12:36PM
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icon1234
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Guys woodys got scored badly because his dub 12 was just a safety grab. And I am not talking like the steezey safety grabs where you pull the skis to the side, it was pretty much a boot grab and a hucked rotation . If he had grabbed like blunt or even mute I bet his score would of been in the 90's. But seriously safety grab is the easiest grab in skiing, it is the first grab I learn on any new spin and you can't do that if you expect to podium.
Feb 13 2012 12:37PM
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E__
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This, also I was stoked that Bellemare placed 6th, he's going to podium soon.
Feb 13 2012 12:40PM
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MatRich
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wow I just watched some of the videos and I am a bit outraged! WTF! Goepers run just made me laugh, I would have given it like an 80 tops.

it just proves to me that they juge it by the book and use math instead of impression. Its like if they have a checklist and how ever nasty the fucking trick, if he lands it, he gets full points. this is the complete opposite of what are sport is suposed to be and its fucking lame. spin to win comps seem to be taken over.
Feb 13 2012 12:43PM
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icon1234
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Okay are you being serious right now? Haha so your telling me you think Geopper can't do any of the technical smaller difficult spin combos? I mean I suck at skiing but I am pretty sure if you can throw pretty much every possible dub cork combination (left and right) you can spin a unnatty 9 or 7 or whatever you want. If you don't like his style is one thing, but to say he just learned all his tricks by hucking himself into foam pits and on trampolines without learning the basics is a pretty ignorant thing to say.

Here is his king of style entry that won this past year for reference:

I personally am not a fan of his style, esp in competitions, but that video had some pretty steezey tricks in it.

Feb 13 2012 12:43PM
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myllucas
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Feb 13 2012 12:46PM
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McLeod
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"(he) LOOKS like......"


jesus...
Feb 13 2012 12:49PM
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jojje3
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Russ's run was good but Andreas Håtveit's run was way better! They did the same tricks on the jump, but Andreas was extremely creativ and techincal on the rails!

And Woodsys run was just... woach!
Feb 13 2012 12:50PM
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.jon
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bleh. not a fan of that. i think wallisch deserved the win once again. but i guess an x games gold and dew tour cup will have to suffice haha.
Feb 13 2012 12:51PM
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Boggs
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Looks better than a fucking mute. And octo? SO SICK.
Feb 13 2012 12:51PM
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E__
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No actually hardly steezy at all, I saw 3 grabs in their other that weren't a tail.
Feb 13 2012 12:57PM
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FUUUCK
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Goepper didn't even grab his switch 1260 and scored a 94...
Feb 13 2012 1:03PM
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Rez4frederick
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Some people got robbed. It seems to happen in every competition no matter where you are at. Bobby's run was shit, his rails were not tech at all.

Im guessing they use video review at these and that may be why it takes so long to get a score which is good.
Does anyone know who the judges were?
Feb 13 2012 1:04PM
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ballsofsteeze
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i was wondering what was up with andreas. i thought he had a really solid run. some super creative rails tricks including a skislide to 270 swap, which no one else was doing. the rest of the field just did swaps over those a frames. then he had a double each way on the two jumps that looked pretty good, if maybe a tad hucked. but a 70? no way. he got jipped for sure
Feb 13 2012 5:25PM
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ChuckTesta
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Russ also wears addias goggles... Nbd
Feb 13 2012 5:30PM
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d-rok
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 nick goeper won on his first run, his first run was damn clean, his rails were harder than everyone (switch 270, rodeo out) and on the jumps he had leftside unnatural dub 12, to switch right dub 12, althought i agree that he has no style the win goes to him for sure. i dont know why they gave him a higher score on his second run, with the switch pizza, adn sketch ass dub 14, HE WON ON HIS FIRST RUN

Feb 13 2012 5:40PM
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beowulf
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Feb 13 2012 5:46PM
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K-Thomas
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOb4Y_fv45g&list=UUCs2TkRQ4JrLCXRLIoUBjkg&index=9&feature=plcp

check the video title. then check the video info.
Feb 13 2012 6:01PM
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ballsofsteeze
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wallisch's run was clean and steezy, as always expected, but he basically did the same exact tricks that got him the win at the first dew stops and x games. back to back sw dub rodeo 10 japan. I just feel like he could've done a tiny bit more with his run. maybe added an extra rotation in one of the doubles, tried a new, more difficult grab, etc. his 4 out of the cannon box was nice, but maybe throw a grab in there or something. my favorite trick off that box was irvine's cork 6.

don't get me wrong, tom's run was awesome and so much fun to watch. he deserved the podium and dew cup win for sure, but i don't know if he should've won the comp.
Feb 13 2012 6:49PM
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ohboy
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Goepper may have deserved to win, but his second run was not a 95 run. With the awful technique on the double 14...That sketchy feature alone should have put the run at a 90 tops. You have to be flawless, and face it, that last trick was not flawless at all. Sure it was the biggest trick, but it was not the best executed. Also, I'm not a big Wallisch fan, but I don't think he gets due respect for being able to do the same trick two different sides. I don't think people respect how hard it is. Even though it is only 1080, it is still ridiculous to be able to do it both ways.

My two cents. Haters welcome.
Feb 13 2012 8:46PM
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Nicko1981
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Pretty sure Jossi won London Freeze with a sw 10 safety; or safety-ish type thingummy.
Feb 14 2012 7:46AM
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.Hansel.
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yea, but london freeze is off of a scaffolding jump, not a properly shaped park jump.
Feb 14 2012 11:58AM
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Boggs
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Well from what I hear these jumps were far from proper (I wasn't there but complaints are fling around).
Feb 14 2012 12:44PM
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fucking
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ok, do one with wally's run then because you just sound like some gaper who defends certain skiers no matter what because they signed a poster for you.
Feb 14 2012 12:51PM
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casual
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this is such backwards logic. Clothing and post-run interviews don't have anything to do with fluidity, style, or execution. If you aren't perceptive enough to discern in what ways Goepper's skiing at Snowbasin was inferior to some of the other competitors, just keep quiet.

A winning run shouldn't ever contain multiple switch snow plows, windmill armed trick pre-winds over the head, or hucked, penciled, completely loose and opened up, barely landed spins. A first place run also doesn't include choosing an easier obstacle, regardless of the technicality of the trick itself.

Everyone who just reflexively dismisses any and all criticism of comp skiers and comp skiing always turns to the same tired, irrelevant arguments.

Feb 14 2012 1:43PM
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PBraunstein
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this is perfect.
Feb 14 2012 2:35PM
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Nicko1981
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I fail to see how this has anything to do with anything.
Feb 14 2012 2:37PM
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Blurst
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Feb 14 2012 2:40PM
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Mr.Gaga
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On big comps like X and Dew I say judges should have more time and video replay for finals. I know it's on TV and show must go on but it's getting seriously annoying.
Feb 14 2012 5:29PM
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icon1234
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I agree with everything you said except for the when you said the first place run doesn't include choosing an easier feature. It should be factor both the technicality of the trick and the difficulty of the feature. If someone does a crazy rail trick on a box idk like geopers sw 270 on misty on, it should be worth more than lets say a simple blind 4 out of a rail. Based on your logic (at least how I read it) the person with the rail feature should have scored higher simply because it was on a harder feature.
Feb 14 2012 6:16PM
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fucking
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wow, are you kidding?

1. top rail- geopper did a 450 on, following 270 out. wally did a switch lip 2, pretz 2 out (which is massively harder than spinning fast onto a rail)

2. geopper hit a cannon BOX. tom hit the crooked cannon RAIL doing a switch on 450 out OPPOSITE of the way the rail sends you which is hard to comprehend how you even line up correctly to hit that thing switch, never mind the edge control it takes to spin opposite to how that thing tosses you.

3. geopper did a switch left dub rodeo 1080 (not a 12 and exactly the same as wally but wally's was MUCH cleaner and bigger) into a switch right dub 12, whereas wally did a switch rightside dub 1080, again much cleaner and bigger than geopper's.

so really you've got wally doing HARDER rail tricks on HARDER features, and the only difference on the jumps is that wally went BIGGER and was more clean but yeah, geopper spun 180 degrees more and was more sloppy but got scored a 94 where wally got a 92... makes complete sense.
Feb 16 2012 11:37AM
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whodunit
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When halfpipe and slopestyle hit the Olympics, it is only going to get tougher on the judges. The world will be watching and expecting them to get it right plus the skiers can challenge their scores (have 15 minutes, I think, after the end of the competition to do this). The judges will have to show their notes, cards, etc. and be prepared to defend. Maybe skiers/coaches should be challenging them now, in a formal way, so that some of the issues could be taken more seriously? Being a judge is tough but so what. The skiers deserve to receive the best score possible, based soley on what they put down that day in the competition, whether they are on the podium or the middle of the pack. It is more important than sticking to a TV schedule. Too often the judges buy into the hype and either award points based on that or are harsh to a skier where they expected more. They need to judge what they see at that competition, not what they think was possible or what they hoped would be put down. Its a lot to think about -- creativity, style, difficulty, execution -- and still remain objective but that is their job. The afp judging committee needs to sharpen their pencils and figure it out, both for slopestyle and halfpipe.
Feb 16 2012 3:24PM
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jojje3
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A point system as they uses in the WSC (world snowboarding championship) would be good. There they give points on each element, and in the end they also gives a flow score.

With a system like this the judges have to be more precise about their scorings.
Feb 16 2012 4:40PM
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