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Mkvackay
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Sorry for another post, but I want some advice, and pretty quick too if at all possible.

I got an email from nicole coffey from espn asking if she could use my video. Do I ask if we should talk licensing first? Her email doesn't really say much, other than they want to use it this morning... And i am not sure how to go about it.

thanks
Jan 27 2012 7:48AM
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Algebra
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what video?
Jan 27 2012 9:41AM
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Jeff_Lo
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Google a license online, figure out what you think it is worth.  If it's espn they have money don't be frugal.  But be smart as well giving away your video only hurts filmers and editors alike.

Ask what you think it's worth.  I always try to remember this: http://www.petapixel.com/2012/01/10/this-photograph-is-not-free/

basically like the photograph, you take the time to do it whether you consider it work or not.  That is your property personally.  Ask them to pay what you feel it's worth.  And for reference, I charge 1-2% of what my gear is worth when renting my gear.  For footage it really depends on what it is the running length and other things. 

Do they want an edit or shots?
Jan 27 2012 9:49AM
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Mkvackay
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well, its not really an edit. its the video of the urban rail skier. it has gone viral. it was on g4 and i've gotten 3 offers so far from companies for a non exclusive license. so i understand and know the definition.

In the email she just asked if she had permission to use it, which means that they did not want to go through the legal trouble of creating a contract, think I am dumb and don't know what a license means, or just wants to harmlessly use it and give credit to me.

I emailed her back and added that I would like to talk about a non exclusive license.

She did say she wanted to use it today, so I hope she still wants it tomorrow.
Jan 27 2012 9:53AM
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Mkvackay
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"Hi Mike. We do not have a budget for this but we can credit your name or whatever you wish over the video. This was scheduled to run shortly. If you are ok with a name credit, let me know and I will pass this on to our producer. Nicole"
the response^
Jan 27 2012 10:05AM
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Mkvackay
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we said screw it. it is supposed to be on Not top 10 on sportscenter
Jan 27 2012 10:24AM
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I.B
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Can you post the video?

Jan 27 2012 10:57AM
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Mkvackay
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it hasn't aired on espn yet, just watched the live not top 10. heres the video


Jan 27 2012 10:58AM
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sneds
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Didn't you post a thread wanting your video to go viral?
Can't get more views out of it then having espn play it
Jan 27 2012 11:16AM
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gordie.
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Normally I'd say just run with it. That much exposure couldn't be bad- except in this case, nobody is really going to watch it and say "damn, I want to hire that kid filming!" so it really won't do much for you. I say you do one of two things...

- try to get the money. If they don't offer to pay up, just don't give it to them.

- fuck with them hard. If they refuse to pay, just tell them "oh, ok, if you're ok I'll just add my name to it and then you can use it." and write your name across the entire frame. Or add some stupid ass effects from movie maker or put the website of a rival sports broadcaster or something


Jan 27 2012 11:57AM
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Jeff_Lo
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Exactly, email FSN or VS.


Jan 27 2012 12:04PM
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I.B
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I'm in school and can't see the video. SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IT IS OF. GOOD HOLY GOD I WANT TO KNOW.



And yeah, FUCK TEH SHIT OUT OF ESPN
Jan 27 2012 12:09PM
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Brentizzle
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its the urban blind 4 out hang video
Jan 27 2012 12:13PM
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I.B
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Oh okay.
Jan 27 2012 12:22PM
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juicedrummer11
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this is very interesting for sure. here are my thoughts.. there isn't much for filming here, basically just the camera rolling and nothing real "exciting" as far as me wanting to hire you to do my next project if that makes sense. kinda like what someone else said above.

that being said...this is probably the coolest most interesting crash/way to come off of a rail ever! you will never find something else like this and YOU were the one to capture it making you own the rights. so this is why i would see if they are willing to pay for the video for sure!

with THAT being said. you did put it on the internet to go viral with only your name on it for everyone to see. if espn aired it, it sounds like they want to do the same, just air it with your name like it is on the web. and if they do it that way, people who are at all interested will go google that which would take you to your original video anyway for them to watch on repeat over and over again.

so basically its quite the predicament.  If it was me, since its only a small clip, but yet very very very rare, i would ask for some form of monetary compensation because it is espn who attracts more viewers than the news guarantee, but if they aren't willing to pay much or anything at all, i would still say yes just to see my name on tv with my work. thats how i feel anyway
Jan 27 2012 1:16PM
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Enstrut
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threads, I want to see how this turns out
Jan 27 2012 9:01PM
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las.
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Basically this.

"We do not have the budget for this" - yeah fucking right.
Jan 27 2012 10:30PM
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holy.shep
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let them use it but edit in "newschoolers" all the way across the bottom
Jan 28 2012 12:42PM
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[~_~]
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This is the part where you kindly tell them to frig off.
Jan 28 2012 12:48PM
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Lucas
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Write
Jan 28 2012 5:25PM
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west-coast
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youre an idiot, why the fuck would espn pay him to use his footy in their not top 10..they have 200 other not top ten plays they can throw in there for free, considering they cover almost every large event..get the exposure, thats dope
Jan 28 2012 6:45PM
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eheath
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lol wut
Jan 28 2012 7:14PM
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eheath
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You corrected his correct grammar with incorrect grammar? Doesn't make sense...


For the record, K_M you are wrong. Of course ESPN has a shit ton of money, but the budget for non-top 10 is probably very close to zero.
Jan 28 2012 7:22PM
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eheath
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I don't know it for a fact, but knowing ESPN is a big corp and they probably have very strict budgets, im sure the financial people don't want to toss any money towards a 1-2 min spot that is once a week when they can take anything from their live broadcasts and use them for free.
Jan 28 2012 7:26PM
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eheath
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Yeah, there is no way theyre gonna try to get some budget for a not top 10 video.
Jan 28 2012 7:37PM
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Completely barring whether or not ESPN truly has the funds to pay you lying around somewhere, the simple matter is that someone is asking you to give them footage for free. Freelancers' approach to this will vary, but in my opinion: no money => frig off.
Jan 28 2012 8:40PM
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blatt
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Protest ESPN for nagging about triples on x games by not giving them rights to the vid
Jan 29 2012 1:59AM
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dispatchQ_main
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Im sure if you don't give them the video, they will have no problem finding someone else who is willing to give them a video of a crash.
Jan 29 2012 10:15AM
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Mkvackay
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this.

anyway i didn't email her back in time for her so it didn't go on air.

also just got an email from good morning america asking if they can get permission to show the youtube video on air. thought that was pretty cool. they are also not paying for license, so its more or less the same situation.

i think im going to let them use it, its not like this video is going to define my career. why not get it on tv?
Jan 29 2012 6:43PM
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TaranItUp
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My thoughts exactly, it can only help you in the future.
Jan 29 2012 7:05PM
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KarmaInitiative
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These companies want to use your video because you happened to catch something really funny, not because of the production value or anything, so i dont know if all these rules about freelancers and stuff applies. try to get money, but if you cant, let them have it
Jan 29 2012 10:03PM
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Zump.
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Why not put it up on ESPN, what do you have to lose? It's a great clip!
Jan 30 2012 1:39PM
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Trojan~Man
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hahahaha dude!! i just saw this clip on the fucking news! :P i got fired up!
Jan 31 2012 9:39AM
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Mkvackay
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haha what news and where?
Jan 31 2012 10:19AM
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Trojan~Man
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im pretty sure it was CBC news. could be wrong though, and im in Ottawa Ontario. ... they were doing an interview with JP Auclair because of his street segment and they were asking him the dumbest questions lol and right after that they showed your vid.
Jan 31 2012 10:34AM
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Mkvackay
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thats pretty cool!

did they say anything about my video other then the obvious skier gets stuck on a pole jokes?
Jan 31 2012 10:47AM
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Willard
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At the same time they could care less if they get it or not. He either gives it to them for free with his name credit or they find something else.
Jan 31 2012 4:45PM
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Trojan~Man
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to be honest i didnt hear anything cuz i yelled out holly fuck i know where that vid comes form blah blah and by then the anchor was laughing and they were on to another topic... so they didnt say much other than the obvious yeah...
Jan 31 2012 9:02PM
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Spinoza
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OP have you made any money from YouTube yet?
Jan 31 2012 9:51PM
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KBake
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.
Jan 31 2012 10:05PM
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[-mvee-]
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noticed the michigan names. haha. yobeat posted this on their facebook, which i thought was pretty huge considering they are all snowboarding and they didnt even hate on it
Jan 31 2012 11:17PM
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tBatt
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He already said that it was too late by the time he e-mailed back.
Feb 1 2012 4:36PM
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SkiLefley
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Mike That is so sick if ESPN emails you again why not let them use it. It was so funny when Ell did that and worth having it showed world wide. Deffinatley get on ESPN. Good luck from da mitten
Feb 1 2012 8:18PM
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Mkvackay
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jimmy kimmel showed it. didn't get any sort of email or anything from them.. probably thinking too formally on this one but heres a screenshot

Click for larger image
Feb 1 2012 10:46PM
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Dyar
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Just saw this from a link on aol "this skier attempting to do a one hundred and eighty degree turn..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/extreme-skier-fail-180_n_1247523.html?ref=sports&ncid=webmail5
Feb 2 2012 1:34AM
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PJS.
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that video is so awesome. VIRAL
Feb 2 2012 10:11AM
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Mkvackay
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thanks for the link! pretty funny stuff
Feb 2 2012 10:12AM
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PJS.
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I wouldn't scroll down to the comment section, unless you want to see some concentrated bullshit.
Feb 2 2012 10:15AM
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Mkvackay
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haha im not the skier so doesn't really mean much to me,

and they aren't awful, just normal "hes a dumbass" comments
Feb 2 2012 10:24AM
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Trojan~Man
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i made an account and started replying to those retarded comments. i couldnt handle it.
Feb 2 2012 1:33PM
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PJS.
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the only sensible option is to troll the shit out of them.
Feb 2 2012 2:10PM
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