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joris.blanc
Posts: 914 - Karma: 6,584
I'm not expecting any thing from this thread but I hope that some users would change a bit.

So this is my story :

I started really using NS about a month ago, I posted some cool pics I had on my computer and some of them got on NS frontpage. This got me really stocked and motivated me to improve my photography and Photoshop skills. I started to make some sequences and some got on NS frontapge.

Last week I uploaded a sequence that I spent a long time working on !!!
And I was pleasantly stocked when I saw a day later that it had a perfect rating of 10 for 21 ratings.

But then some hater/haters came along and down rated my picture to 8.31 for a total of 26 ratings.

I find it strange that the rating went from 10's to 1's this is why I'm pretty sure it is just some haters that wanted to get picture of the day. And yes I like to see my pics on the frontpage but I'm not going to down rate pics for that !!!

I just find it really uncool of some users to do that, because I like to see that people like my pics but when I know that I had a perfect rating and than that it goes down to almost 8 it just sucks !!!!

There I really hope that the user/users that did this or that do this to other pics change and stop doing it.

And here is my math :

At 21 ratings 21 * 10.0 = 210 points
At 22 ratings 22 * 9.59 = 211 points So one user rated a 1 !!!
At 26 ratings 26 * 8.31 = 216 points So three users rated a 1 and one rated a 2 !!!

Seriously UNCOOL !!!

and here is a pic of the ratings going down http://joris-blanc.com/ns/haters_hatin.jpg

Dec 4 2011 8:15AM
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PBraunstein
Posts: 1448 - Karma: 3,804

=P
Dec 20 2011 12:49PM
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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22671 - Karma: 75,830
Right, an expression denoting the idea that NS has a rosy opinion of the world and that it shouldn't be all puppies and rainbows correct?

Well frankly on the flip side of that there is no reason for it to be crotchety hate like many older folk would like the world of skiing to be.

What we're looking for here is a solid and fair ratings system. There is lots of methods to calculate top ratings which take into account users attempting to game the system. We're just trying to decide which mathematical formula we want to implement. Math can solve the problems of creating fairness, and getting rid of both the "star colored lenses" and the crotchety old haters.

Come on Jeff, you used to be positive didn't you?


Dec 20 2011 1:34PM
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Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22671 - Karma: 75,830
We can check IP, so it is very clear when this happens just like in the other direction.

Bottom line is that all forms of cheating are very easy to detect. We'll build in a better system (as stated above) which eliminates this issue. Just give us some time.


Dec 20 2011 1:36PM
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AHSkier
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just gonna go off topic here and say i have been seeing a lot less spam advertising for the Korean ski company thanks guys it makes this site a much better place
Dec 21 2011 3:13PM
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skithesprings
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I have a very simple solution.

You must comment to rate, and your rating is included with your comment.

That way, you know who rated it what, and why they did.


Dec 21 2011 11:18PM
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TOAST.
Posts: 7259 - Karma: 33,216
Is there anyway to make it so when you are in latest pictures you can click on the first one than scroll through them in order instead of it going through whatever category that picture is in?
Dec 22 2011 12:03PM
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skodeo7
Posts: 14949 - Karma: 9,234
It happens to everyone in the video section. It sucks.
Dec 22 2011 6:55PM
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jason...
Posts: 9006 - Karma: 780
yeah some dickwad just did this with the little clip i just posted. i rated myself a 10 (cmon now everyone does it) and within 2 ratings it now has an average of 5.50. SICK.
Dec 23 2011 6:04PM
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monkatizer
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happens to me all the time....especially on youtube....

i uploaded a really legit summer setup edit, and within 1hr it had 3 dislikes, it now has 5 dislikes and 5 likes tho....but still
Dec 23 2011 9:22PM
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SFBv420.0
Posts: 2539 - Karma: 3,124
Know how I know your not gettin laid?????
This sad thread would be my guess.
Ask yourself why is it I need interwebular e cookies?

Dec 24 2011 8:46AM
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Moses
Posts: 1849 - Karma: 564
I like that setup, or even comment to rate but the rating is not shown. Everyone loves comments, well maybe.
Dec 26 2011 11:30PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Yeah but its a good thing to have it be easy to rate something. So I don't know if I'd want it to absolutely go in where you have to make a comment. I did like the earlier suggestion though where it was displayed who voted what.

I can see it happening bigtime in the photos right now, someone is trying to get their photo on the homepage.

We're technically on vacation right now, so I'm not going to call Paul away from his family - but this will get looked into and whoever is doing it is going to get banned again.

We have some solid ideas to quickly implement to at least help. I think that limiting one vote per IP address will really assist, as well as we'll implement our cheat detection formula.


Dec 27 2011 10:39AM
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Newsletter
Posts: 66 - Karma: 10
Go see one of my best picture rated 5.5 because some people hating and think this is funny !!! https://www.newschoolers.com/memberphoto/401133.0/Tail-press-afterbang?s=178735&t=1&o=8
Dec 28 2011 11:04AM
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Mr.Bishop
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Well that photo isn't that good TBH.

Also, you were the one who made like 8 aliases to downrate other photos? I'm confused here.

It is definitely an issue, but as others said, we need to be able to take criticism when our photos are not the best.




Dec 28 2011 11:33AM
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Newsletter
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Yeah I gave you a reason for that on a email but 5.5 of 10 for a pics like that is stupid ...
Dec 28 2011 11:36AM
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Mr.Bishop
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Well the reason was that you wanted your photos on the homepage.... I mean that is the very core of downrating isn't it?

Anyways, honestly though we need a system that is fair. Your photos where you put the blurry filter on them on either side aren't good photos to start. I think it is absolutely justified to get a 5.5 on them.

I appreciate that you have some cool tricks in there. That is rad man - but what you should do is really work on the photography part of the photos. Good photography is an art, and a beautiful photo is more than just a cool trick.


Dec 28 2011 12:51PM
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las.
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Bad idea. This will just lead to kids holding grudges and spiting those who rated their content low. Lets not forget the caliber of members we are dealing with here; people who will actually vote other members content down to make their own stuff higher ranked. I think its fucking sad that it has come to this.

One of the best things about the rating system is that it is anonymous. You should be able to vote how you want, and not have to worry about being the only one who voted a certain picture quite low, even if it was your true opinion. It's a shame a few people have to wreck it for all of us - without them, this current system would be great. I agree it should be visible to mods/admins, but not the general public.
Dec 28 2011 4:12PM
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Mr.Bishop
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I do like the logic though that you should stand behind your ratings. That's the thing.... if you give someone a 5 its totally different than a 1. A 1 should be for a totally shitty photo, and if you give someone a 5 you should stand behind it and be able to explain why.

Now, I do agree with you though that this might not be the best way to go about it. People might be inclined to not rate.

Its interesting though, we just ran some stats. Something like 71% of all ratings on the site are 10. Then the rest are clustered around 5 and 1.

What would you guys think if we changed the rating scale? Thumbs up / thumbs down has been suggested before, and personally I don't like it as much as 1-10 but we could do it and it might just help. This would mean though that we'd have to convert ALL historical ratings to the new system and re-calculate everything. So say like 1-3 would be changed to thumbs down, 4-7 into no rating and 8-10 into thumbs up. It would likely change the way that everything on the site is ranked though, and we'd have no way of going back. So all the historical top rated lists would change forever.

As I'm typing this I'm getting more into it though. We have actually discovered some cool math that can be used with a thumbs up / thumbs down system.


Jan 3 2012 9:44PM
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manutdsaol
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I'd just like to add that I don't think that videos are as big as a problem with people hating. I hand our ratings of 7-9 often instead of just 10.You could definitely leave the 1-10 stars in for videos.
Jan 3 2012 11:31PM
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Mr.Bishop
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I actually really like that idea, but I think that it might lead to less ratings and more fights. As well, if someone just wants to be a dick and not give a fuck they could simply downrate, post their name and say 'go fuck yourself'. Same issue happens, and we still have to police through gestapo tactics.

I'm pretty sure that the right idea here is to go with up/down voting, and then calculate the score as the lower bound of Wilson score confidence interval for a Bernoulli parameter.

The formula looks like this:

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Then we'll be fucking bad-ass.


Jan 4 2012 2:04PM
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joris.blanc
Posts: 914 - Karma: 6,584
Haha thanks Mr.Bishop now I leaned something what was "Lower bound of Wilson score confidence interval for a Bernoulli parameter". Now I understand why my teacher told us that there where book just about averages. Crazy stuff just for an average !!!

I find it kinda funny that M.Voleurz is complaining about his pic, when you look at his profile pic it makes me remember about Lasagnadog's pic that actually started this thread !!!
Jan 4 2012 9:29PM
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JTK
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that's not the best interpretation... I was speaking to the posters concern with a perceived wrong done to him. Simply a suggestion to lighten up in relation to an arbitrary(but your working on that) rating number. You know find balance in personal gratification or something.. existential something or other and all that.

And crotchety!? says you old man.
Jan 10 2012 1:45AM
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1337
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So i was browsing my media, this photo had a score of 55 when i went to bed yesterday

https://www.newschoolers.com/memberphoto/583222.0/Alex-Hackel---KTP-Turkey-Jam?s=110383&o=8

I went and checked it about 5 minutes ago, 37?! I don't get it, something/someone is up to something. Not happy >:(
Nov 19 2012 4:45PM
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1337
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bump :(
Nov 20 2012 10:15AM
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N.L.
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theres a reason some vids get 100 ratings in a day and better videos get 100 views,
the people downrating now have 50 aliases to uprate their own vids,
yall understand the nike contest last year was a complete 10K$ scheme?!?!?!? i came in last
Nov 20 2012 11:09AM
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N.L.
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this coulda been solved with username posted with rating years ago. let the truth be told.
Nov 20 2012 11:15AM
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heath
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I honestly can't tell if you're just completely retarded or trolling.
Nov 21 2012 3:55AM
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N.L.
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i said i wouldnt respond to talentless "film makers" that spend all day on this site, but since the deleted thread was so priceless with flaming you i will repost the best excerpts.... vimeo didnt except your "film" into its film show because it was a ski edit, and a pathetic one at that. your vids suck ass and dont compare to any legit production company. totally trevor shits on you for editing, gopros look better than whatever film camera you have because film camera arent meant for making ski edits. you are the one with the ego to never admit any edit is good and nowhere near as good as your films...lol. the fact that you are so intimated by me is funny because im a skier and know nothing about filming. you wouldnt disagree with things that dont concern you, things changing scares you because you might not be able to manipulate a ski website to your likings. you are the root of the problem and posted in this thread that it wont ever go away. you even tried to be my friend to stop me from stopping you, but get it clear i was never your friend. never did i respect you, and when i was looking for park city footy last year and you were gonna help me....lol, i was werking on a jay and silent bob spoof that i kick your fucking teeth in for talking shit on the interwebz.
Nov 21 2012 9:15AM
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heath
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So you're trolling. Good to hear.
Nov 21 2012 12:03PM
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MacMahoooon
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Looks like you weren't the only one affected by this rating bomber

Why can't people just play nice??
Nov 21 2012 12:44PM
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ChaseW
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fuck em. it shouldn't be a battle for homepage but to see if people actually like it or not
Nov 29 2012 12:41PM
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