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ThaHater
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Just thought I'd let you all know that if you've ever dreamed of hitting Chad's Gap or Pyramid Gap, it sounds like this is the last year that you'll be able to do so.  Alta will be putting a lift up grizzly gulch next summer.  Just got back from a very interesting meeting with the 7 central wasatch GMs........

MASSIVE LAND GRAB going down all brought about by the canyons pushing for a lift connecting them to solitude and snowbird expanding into mary ellen gulch.  kiss 50% of the backcountry in the wasatch goodbye.

don't like what you hear???!?!

call or email your local representatives and tell them that you don't support
H.R. 3452 - Wasatch Range Recreation Access Enhancement Act


here is the info for the utah congressman

Congressman Rob Bishop (call if you are not in his district as he will not accept your email)
(202) 225-0453
http://robbishop.house.gov/ZipAuth.aspx

Congressman Jason Chaffetz (call if you are not in his district as he will not accept your email)
(202) 225-7751
http://chaffetz.house.gov/contact/email-me.shtml

Senator Orrin Hatch
(202) 224-5251
http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/email-orrin

Senator Mike Lee
(202) 224-5444
http://lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact

Congressman Jim Matheson (Encourage him to actively fight this proposal that sells off lands in his district)
(202) 225-3011
https://mathesonforms.house.gov/contact-form#dialog
Nov 30 2011 10:10PM
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heFF
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how bout some actual sources or some credibility?
Nov 30 2011 11:03PM
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GratefulShred
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... a trail map will be able to show common folk the way to chads gap from the bottom of Alta?


Dec 1 2011 2:25AM
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SFBv420.0
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actual sources of what?
Quit updating your soy blog and wake up and write your congressmen.
Sure the haters doin the chicken little lifts in grizzly ski is fallin look at me thing but the
bullshit sillysolitaliwhacker ganjola legislation to give away our right to our public lands is goin on.
d B ass and buddy boner want to disnify the LCC and would love white pine.
wake up don't let the rich buy their way into pie in the sky bullshit pipe dreams.
Dec 1 2011 7:36AM
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the_unknown
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Just a quick google of the bill brings this up:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3452

"To provide for the sale of approximately 30 acres of Federal land in Uinta-Wasatch-Cache National Forest in Salt Lake County, Utah, to permit the establishment of a minimally invasive transportation alternative for skiers, called "SkiLink", to connect two ski resorts in the Wasatch Mountains, and for other purposes."

http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_19412545





Dec 1 2011 11:30AM
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RedBaron882
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I doubt that most people here on NS really do any serious touring out of Grizzly, but i could be wrong. So another lift is going in, well i just see it a way that the resort will spread out all the people. Its not like everyone will suddenly say, "hey fuck skiing wildcat lets just ski grizzly" just won't happen. it is a bummer that there are a bunch of lifts being created in the backcountry and expanding of the resorts. My advise is to call your congressman and not demand they stop but give them some facts and well thought out reasons why most people don't want this.
Dec 1 2011 12:00PM
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vailsux.com
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"Water flows uphill to money and power." - Randy Julander

Quote slightly applicable.
Dec 1 2011 8:43PM
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SFBv420.0
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The hater is another crybaby pouser who doesn't even really tour he is just playin OMG the lifts are being built my sad can't tour more than 2k in well known spots that are crowded cause other can't find anything new to ski it's so crowded whiners.

Fuckin grizzly gulch = lame south facing wankers from alta cat skiing good till the sun comes out

marginal blue square crap. put lifts in it

put lifts up flag so candy asses like the hater have to come in from the bottom pof silver days cardiff on their mdf

trecker 18 din binders on bdizzle mega fatties.

It's okay Hater the world needs mouthpiece pousers too brah.

Dec 2 2011 8:21AM
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little_boo
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I am going to throw the biggest fit if they continue this stupid push to put a lift up Flag. Stupid fucking idea.
Dec 2 2011 2:17PM
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ThaHater
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dude!?!?! really!? do you fucking know me? no. have i met you? nope. 
but do i know who you are? you betcha.

sorry, i'm being proactive and getting the word out.
and I doubt most newschoolers care about the loss of bear trap fork and mill d north fork to the "SkiLink" environmental savior gondola.......  BUT you know what they do care about???  grizzly gulch and its gap jumps! and you know what's going to be directly effected by that bullshit legislation being pushed through congress???? grizzly gulch!  that's the first place alta will expand and you're being naive if you don't think all the ski resorts will push for expansion once the can and sellitdude connect. 
you are also being naive to think that house bill 3452 and senate bill 1883 won't set a precedent stripping SL county watershed and the FS of its authority concerning the cottonwood canyons.

SFB, why don't you call your boss at ski utah and talk to them about the interconnect???? I'm sure any of those guys will tell you that its all but a done deal........

if you want sources just sit on your hands and wait till its too late.  this shit is happening behind close doors till the last final steps are needed to avoid the public outcry that is pending
Dec 5 2011 12:38PM
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jriley
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I'm not hating, just asking here...but how does the new gondola from the canyons to solitude cause any side/backcountry near the canyons to be lost? 
Dec 5 2011 2:52PM
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SFBv420.0
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STFU get out of the pen and go ski somethin new and quit running around withersloogin your chicken little head off.

Grizzley gulch is some of the lamest terrain in the wasatch and you probably know it. The fact that people pay to snow cat that crap amazes me.

As does the ohhh it's so crowed whiners like you

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wahh the sheeps pen is so crowded

wahhhh the lifts will be everywhere

wahhhh my mdf's weigh so much I can't get out of the pen

wahhh no chads gap

wahhhhhhhhhhhhhmbalance

Dec 6 2011 7:23AM
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R.Fahey
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"waahhhh" is what the dudes were saying when me and my friends smoked them on day wreckers on all the preseason tours I've done this year.


If you want, we can all "get out of the pen" and invade all the lines you ski.

Or, you can be thankful that we only care about Grizz. You have to realize there are two types of BC skiing out there. People like you who want to tour 3 hours to farm wiggle turns, then the younger generation who wants to get out of the park and go hit jumps into deep snow. There's no problem with either.

Dec 6 2011 6:17PM
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SFBv420.0
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it's all good you aint never gonna alpine wrecker your way up 5k to ski anything new or worthy

one and done in the grizzle stunt ditch with your recco pukka bead necklaces is fine.

you figure out where hogum is yet??????

sign here to send the message

http://www.change.org/petitions/us-congress-stop-the-sale-of-forest-service-land-to-ski-area-developers
Dec 7 2011 11:11AM
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jriley
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The thread creator is claiming this and I'm still trying to figure out how, if anyone can answer that I'd appreciate it. 
Dec 7 2011 11:40AM
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little_boo
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Here's just a little blurb from a petition going around- pretty much, the gondola is going to run through a bunch of popular Wasatch backcountry areas. Stupid fucking idea.

"The proposed tram would bisect public land, disrupting primitive backcountry area. The area surrounding the tram, while not in-bounds to the ski area, would effectively become such, as skiers could ski in that terrain and then ride the lift back to the resort."

If you want to sign a petition against it, here's the link-
http://www.change.org/petitions/us-congress-stop-the-sale-of-forest-service-land-to-ski-area-developers
Dec 7 2011 1:07PM
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little_boo
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Sorry for the dub post, but I just realized what op said.
And although some of the Wasatch backcountry WILL be interrupted, I really really don't think that it's 50% of it...
Dec 7 2011 1:10PM
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intifada
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wow i didnt realize there were only two types of backcountry skiers. old people and park rats interesting.
Dec 7 2011 3:38PM
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jriley
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Thanks.  I get that's the lift itself is going in the backcountry, but I didn't understand the claims that more skiers will be in bear trap and mill d north.  I see that those particular claims are baseless...

I'm kind of torn on this issue, I see one side where the population of the wasatch front is rising and the wasatch mtns will need to develop a little more to meet the needs of that population growth.  I also would hate to be riding wasatch crest in the summer or skinning up the monitors and have the views ruined by a new gondola, ski around lift towers, etc...

anyone know if they would have to control the area under the gondola at all in case they had a lift evac and a thousand gapers in the bc?
Dec 7 2011 4:00PM
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ThaHater
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you don't think more resort skiers will choose to hike up and out of the 9990 gate and ski into bear trap or mill d when they don't have to hike back up into the area because there will now be a lift at solitude that will bring them back to the PC side??? that's a pretty naive viewpoint..........

this lift will essentially makes that area in bounds
Dec 8 2011 1:49PM
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ThaHater
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ok I should re-state that to 50% of the backcountry of the central wasatch.  the area of the wasatch surrounding SLC and PC.

 I'm also going to differ between backcountry and sidecountry because they are very different.  sidecountry areas see much more traffic, so if adding a lift creates a new easier accessed sidecountry area, I consider that a lose of backcountry.  I don't necessarily consider the experience of skiing rocky point or wolvy (sidecountry) the same as skiing the needle (backcountry) and i think this is fair. 

let me show you.......

Canyons to Solitude:  this knocks out bear trap fork, mill d north fork, usa bowl, etc......  that's all now sidecountry, but this will be skied even more than now because you don't have to hike out.

Snowbird mary ellen gulch expansion: obviously you lose mary ellen, not a super big deal as its difficult to get in there, but now that lift will probably make access super easy into white pine.

Now these two events will probably result in....

PCMR to brighton:  loss of 10420, guardsman area.

brighton into snake creek drainage (just this week they revealed this, do you think that's coincidence or because all of the other resorts are lining up in hopes that hr3452 and S1883 get passed???)

Alta expands into grizzly (a sure bet regardless).  bye bye chads.

solitude expands into silver fork and to the top of grizzly/fantasy ridge (probably a sure bet regardless).  increasing ease of access into days fork and silver fork.

Alta also has shown interest in putting a lift up flagstaff.  That would knock out emma ridge, days, cardiff, superior, monte cristo......

So that's a loss of bear trap, mill d north, usa bowl, 10420, guardsman, grizzly gulch, emma ridge, silver, days, cardiff forks, superior s. face, monte cristo south side, white pine, mary ellen gulch, snake creek.....  I'd estimate that's about 50% of the central wasatch.  sure you'll still be able to walk up days/silver/cardiff from BCC but now you're competing with a lift and helicopters (remember that's a prime heli zone).

and before you tell me how awesome this will be, just remember that you can hike all these areas anywhere from 45 minutes to 3 hours as it currently is.....  pretty amazing access already and these areas are already crowded with backcountry skiers and most of the land is PUBLIC, forest service land and serves as a protected watershed for a million+ people.
Dec 8 2011 1:55PM
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ThaHater
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I don't believe there is any need to expand ski areas to encompass a growing population.  if you want to ski fresh snow and not deal with lift lines than HIKE! Simple as that........

Plus that's where the ski industry is headed.  Every binding company will have a touring binding out by next year. Most ski companies are making their own skins.  Touring in America is increasing ten fold.  In europe, tons of the skiing population has already embraced touring.

I was in silver fork last weekend and there was at least 50 people in that drainage alone! I passed another 15-20 people in grizzly gulch as we exited, the wasatch backcountry is crowded! and that's a good thing, to me it signals that more lifts aren't needed as the public (whose most of these lands belong to) already is using these areas, if you put a lift in you are going to limit those public lands to be used by the small fraction of people that can afford to pay for a lift ticket
Dec 8 2011 2:07PM
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SFBv420.0
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You are so woefully misinformed it's sad.
you're almost doing a diservice by spouting off about shit you have little to no clue about
but soli aint expandin into silly fork fs shut that pipe dream down
You and your mdf trecker duke brahs east coast joeys may not be able to acess cardif from donut but i sure as hell can and if the shut down s facin flag access fine less I cant do the extra 5 miles to gain that vert aint gonna be in there great. Same with days silver and mineral non of these will be lost just some easy access your crying about. Whaahhhhh there is no safe easy south facing acess to broads and millb
probably why it doesn't ever get skied out
ever been I doubts it all bluffy fluffy chickken little aliasss
there are maybe a dozen skin makers and 100's of ski manufactuers were did you pull that bullshit out of?
10420 cereal people skin to that from guardsmen???
aint much difference tween side slack or backcountry both kill ya pretty quick little easier for als and the pros to bailya out but been skiin em all.
Pay for passes??????
BWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
when it finally snows you should do nebo, bells, box elder or gbnp and quit your wahhh it's so crowded whinnin
and git sum where you will see none one

Dec 8 2011 8:34PM
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powderhuffer.com
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triple or die - the only way to go
Dec 10 2011 3:47PM
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kayakscum1
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You want credibility sites? Save Our Canyons is about as credible as it gets. I am not sure about the ski lift going up flag, but if the SKiLINK proposed by the Canyons goes through, Flag will go down as well as Superior.

The following are Save Our Canyons sites.

There will be a public awareness event this week. S.O.C. will be presenting the facts since good ol Orrin Hatch and Rob Bishop shot gunned this through congress instead of letting their constituency know. Follow S.O.C.'s facebook for updates on organizing.
Dec 10 2011 5:05PM
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kayakscum1
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Tha Hater, Thanks for posting. Weather grizz is gone or not, it will go down if ski link is put in. Superior will be back on the table too. Save Our Canyons is putting together several community events over the next little bit. Stay up to date on their stuff. Follow them on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Skilink/188174407941048
Dec 10 2011 5:09PM
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kayakscum1
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SFBv420.0, well put. The precedence this will set makes me furious.
Dec 10 2011 7:07PM
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LOVEPOW
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You're very misinformed. Please stay in Grizz
Dec 11 2011 9:31PM
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R.Fahey
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Please, tell me what I'm misinformed about.  My opinions?  Or, that there is more than one type of "backcountry" skier?  Or the part about trekkers? 
Aside from that, I don't think I stated any facts, or any information at all that could make me "misinformed"

Dec 11 2011 11:40PM
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LOVEPOW
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Haha the part about types of backcountry skiers. Ya all younger kids go out and build boaters...haha
All older dudes go wasatch wiggle in mill creek. Thats where I think you're a complete retard.

What makes you think your special when your skinning by dudes on your day wreckers pre season at Alta to build a jump?


Dec 11 2011 11:48PM
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R.Fahey
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Use your fucking brain.  I obviously know it's not strictly jumps, or strictly wiggle turns.  For the sake of comparing this old dude, and the majority of the people on this site, I think those two categories of skiers work. 

And I don't think I'm special.  My trekkers comment was in response to SFB420s multiple references to MFDs (or what he refers to as mdfs). 

"wahhhh my mdf's weigh so much I can't get out of the pen"
"You and your mdf trecker duke brahs east coast joeys"

I don't know why it matters so much what you have on your feet.  I'd love a Dynafit set up, but don't want to drop another $1000 on a set up.  and I've never ONCE bitched about my set up being too heavy. 

What makes SFB so special because he uses a light touring set up?  everything is two sided man. 



Dec 12 2011 1:56AM
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jksl
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lol at all you people so caught up in where each other are skiing and what you're skiing on and how you're getting up the mountain when this discussion is supposed to be about ski resorts expanding into the backcountry.

get a fuckin grip people.

what a joke some people in utah are.
Dec 12 2011 6:48PM
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vailsux.com
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The canyons-solitude tram was shut down by the forest service after they conducted an Environmental Evaluation. I imagine they will do the same in little cottonwood canyon.
Dec 13 2011 9:30AM
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ThaHater
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it hasn't been shut down.  its an active bill in both houses of congress (the US house of representatives and the US senate)

the forest service came out against it, but our US republican congressmen in utah sponsored bills in both the senate and the house to sell PUBLIC lands to a FOREIGN corporation (talisker).

if these bills pass (HR 3452 and S 1883), it will set off a catalyst for a massive land grab.........
Dec 13 2011 3:33PM
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SFBv420.0
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PUT DOWN YOUR SPECIAL SAVE OUR CANYONS ARMAGEADOEON ISSUE AND THE HYPE AND GO SKIING OR BECOME BETTER EDUCATED BEFORE LOOKING/SOUNDING STUPID
Cardiff upper is not to bad
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gettin laid is also a most worthy cause
go for the ones that break trail ;)
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Dec 14 2011 1:15PM
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dylhole
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I prefer to spend my money on snowmobiles than touring gear.  The access is quite a bit more enjoyable, and usually quite a bit faster too...  But hey, two each their own.

Dec 14 2011 2:39PM
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MitchPee
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Why don't you hop off the entitlement high-horse and offer some information yourself? Besides your piss poor grammar and blatant need for self confidence by ripping apart ill-experienced bc skiers on a freestyle oriented forum, do you care to offer up any advice?

I don't think I have ever seen one positive post from you. All I ever read is a tribute to yourself through what you think is superior avy knowledge. Yeah I get a little perturbed when I see people without beacons and overall naivety in the backcountry, but I at least offer a helping hand. There's a lot of people in "the sheep's pen" who think they are god's greatest gift to earth and it really should stop. You are no more special than the active adventure seeker who is doing Superior for the first time.

Now back to the issue,

I think writing congressmen is a good idea. However, without a large volume there will be no result. None of this shit really concerns them unless a loud voice is heard. I know I will for sure be sending in a hand-written letter. Any other ideas? Would be nice if I could still hike Patsy every now and then and get fresh turns!
Dec 17 2011 12:53AM
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SFBv420.0
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want my advice pea brain stfu take avvy one and two get your emt or woofer tour for a decade, do all the wbr dog certs and donate as much time and $$$ to the fuac as you can. practice beacon drills often enough to win a comp or two and go to tgr if you want adult discussion of this topic by people who know wtf they're talking about.
oh and sup may not be the best 1st tour you probably missed the ussw at the depot but good incident account of the situation on the nw coli of the pheif last april especially in the in over our heads context.
wfiw my 1st tour butler aspens over a decade ago.
Dec 17 2011 12:47PM
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Idahoskier420
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Published on TGR site december 15th

Talisker 's proposed skiLink gondola n Utah see oppositiones Opposition
http://www.tetongravity.com/blogs/News-Talisker39s-Proposed-Ski-Link-Gondola-In-Utah-Sees-Opposition-5647971.htm


Dec 20 2011 12:56PM
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beezey
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Who are you
Dec 20 2011 2:26PM
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jksl
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Dec 20 2011 4:54PM
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Jwenz
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this thread is all sorts of comical haha
Dec 20 2011 7:43PM
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beermuscles
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im enjoying the carousel argument of both sides haha.
Dec 21 2011 12:29PM
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Idahoskier420
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Just a guy who wants to keep the back country free




Dec 22 2011 1:27PM
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heFF
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WOOOOOW!... old man donated his hard earned money and won a beacon finding contest or two..solid work! ...fuck going to tgr for "adult discussion..by people who know wtf they're talking about"...every time i look at the wasatch conditions thread I see you and all your super pro avy knowledge circle jerkin buddies talking shit to each other for who has less in bounds POV footy, who's wayyy to core to tour in LCC, and who can farm the pussiest graded slopes in silver fork..sorry a few of us are slowly making the transition to backcountry and have only been here for a couple years..I unfortunately haven't been graced the decades you have been to spend hiking through the butler aspens with my thumb up my ass...don't worry old man I'll burn by you on day wreckers on my way up to raymonds and make sure to give you the bird as I pass you're gracefully laid 8s that you most likely took a picture of and posted to tgr to let all your super knowledgeable sweet adult friends get a chubby over.

from one stubborn person to the next..please shut the fuck up and leave a forum where nobody gives a fuck what you say, and of course...have a nice day! : )
Dec 23 2011 3:40PM
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beezey
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You are from Idaho and I am from Idaho I wasn't looking for that answer.
Dec 23 2011 4:06PM
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YewTard
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TGR is hit or miss. There are some real jackasses in the Wasatch thread, but Ive met/become friends with some good mags over there who helped a brotha out when I was new to the area last year. You learn who to ignore and who to pay attention to, but there are some guys who know more than I probably ever will when it comes to snowpack. Getting my Level 11 thru UAC next week though, at least.
Dec 23 2011 5:58PM
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danbrown
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epic as fuck
Dec 23 2011 5:58PM
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YewTard
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Level 1*... damn phone
Dec 23 2011 5:59PM
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