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Anti rocker prejudice?

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chiefbroseph
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so i was reading flexpatterns thread of twin tip prejudice and wondered about the anti rocker-taperd pow skis prejudice. i mean, ive had a friend tell me i dident know how to ride pow simply because i rocked my ep pros. dispite that fact he ran into a tree because he couldnt control his betaracers, causing the rest of us to wait 5 minutes for him to catch up. ive also herd old men saying "its cheating" cuz you dont haft to strugle to just stay up in the deep shit! have any ns fools had trouble with these (rocker hating trolls) or is bogus basin a shity exception?
Sep 27 2011 10:05PM
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chicken
Posts: 6843 - Karma: 2,122
Tell him to go back to no edged skis and leather boots then. Technology might make it easier, but easier isn't a bad thing.
Sep 27 2011 10:08PM
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kaPOW
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lol good old bogus
I've never had anything like that up at bogus myself but maybe that's just because the rocker on my CRJs isn't hugely obvious like on EP pros so people don't notice
Sep 27 2011 10:20PM
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division.bell
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This.

Rocker makes it more fun, and allows the fun to continue a lot longer. Even rocker on hard snow can be more fun than a traditional cambered ski.
Sep 27 2011 10:24PM
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rubasu
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I've never had any hate skiing at Bogus on my Chetlers. Actually I've never really had any people hatin on em
Sep 27 2011 10:46PM
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skier_boy26
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I've seen a good bit of flak from some racer-orientated cohorts. There is this ego in some that a truly good skier is able to ski deep powder via technique and not skis. This applies to other facets besides powder. In the end, the haters forget about fun. Rocker in the park is a bit silly in my eyes, but for soft snow? Deep snow? Far, far more enjoyable
Sep 28 2011 12:12AM
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SteezoSaurus
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Yeeaaa Matty. You know rocker is for pussies. Who can't do switch pow turns on 220 toothpicks?








I know I can....
Sep 28 2011 12:21AM
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Blake.P
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They lead to the progression of out sport, and easier skiing makes room for more tech tricks, lines ect. I'd like to see those people doing half the things we are doing on their skis
Sep 28 2011 12:46AM
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Goku
Posts: 8119 - Karma: 4,221
I hate Rocker because I cant hold an edge and I feel really loosey going down the hill. But Ive only ridden full rocker on a snowboard. I like Hybrids for skis
Sep 28 2011 10:17AM
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smuggs
Posts: 6561 - Karma: 1,373
some people like a challenge. i take out straight skis every now and then, because it makes me a better skier. everyone for the most part who skis backwards skis are not the best skiers.
Sep 28 2011 10:22AM
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Rosbif
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Yeah for sure, I instruct, so hang out with older people who love their shitty all mountain skis way too much. I took a few laps with Rory Bushfield earlier in the season and one examiner from the east coast who works with me here reckoned he was a better skier than Rory, because he was on rockered skis and skidded too much.
Sep 28 2011 11:44AM
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SkierX
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I can't believe you need rockered skis. I am so much better than you!
Sep 28 2011 12:07PM
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SKI.ING
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Glad rocker is here to stay in skis. One of the main reasons people stop skiing and move on to snowboarding is because its so much easier to ride pow. Rockered/reverse technology even the playing field.
Sep 28 2011 12:24PM
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hoodratz47
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i dont like rocker.. but i dont care what people ski. i like to haul ass on groomers.. and i need all the edge for the way that i like to ski. . i have only rode one rocker ski and that was the spatulas. and great in pow. but lame on the groomers. 

really dont care.     i can ski pow fine with strait 224s and have a fun time.

Sep 28 2011 12:56PM
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DaysToCome
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let em hate. you'll be the one laughing when you're getting twice as many runs and your legs aren't burned out by 2
Sep 28 2011 1:16PM
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midwestpowhunter
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let em hate. more fun for us evolved skiers that ride reverse side cut reverse cambered 130 underfoot rockered pow water skis! they dont know what they are missing and if theyre gonna hate then the joke is on them.
Sep 28 2011 1:25PM
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PeeDuBzz
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anyone who's hating on rockered skis clearly hasn't ridden them in powder... it would be anti skiing to hate on such a beautiful thing
Sep 28 2011 1:34PM
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kingskier
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i wish i had rockered pow skis, guess i jus use my cambered, no rocker park skis.
Sep 28 2011 2:41PM
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PON3
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I just think rockered skis look so ill!
Sep 28 2011 3:45PM
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coffinparty
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I love what rocker does for a ski, but for me even in deep powder i feel like having camber is crucial. I'm all for the hybrid technologies. I love my Live Life's.
Sep 28 2011 4:09PM
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ContaminatedBeef
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I got to try some fat-ypus irocks last season at Stratton and let me tell you, they fucking SLAY groomers. As long as the ski has a little bit of camber underfoot, it can still carve despite also having a lot of rocker
Sep 28 2011 4:54PM
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ContaminatedBeef
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Haha, by their logic we'd be better racers than them if we took some 140 waist rockered skis down a slalom course
Sep 28 2011 4:58PM
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JTL
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I can't wait to have people tell me that my skis are broken in lift lines (Surface One Life). And I hear they are decent on groomers, with the camber underfoot and all.
Sep 28 2011 6:07PM
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DUKES
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when you see them stuck and being slow in pow go by them and spray em in the face cause you floatin
Sep 28 2011 6:13PM
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Rachy
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I think both have their benefits. I love rocker, and my current powder skis are rockered as will be my next pair. But I took out a pair of Elan Bliss's last season. No rocker. Uber stiff. Those things CHARGED. I went from hehe rocker fluffy funny to wanting to push myself through the shitty snow I usually don't bother with. Felt more like a race ski that happened to work well in powder/chop.
Sep 28 2011 7:25PM
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AGOF
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i hate people who think using rocker makes you a bad skier. i hate people who think using rocker makes you a good skier. the skier matters more than the skis, so dont get cocky because of your equipment
Sep 28 2011 7:32PM
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Evilchris
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No one said that cheating isn't fun.
Sep 28 2011 9:38PM
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smuggs
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ohhh sick it just snowed 6 feet in the last few days, this never happens! im gonna take my rockered skis out and be on the top! so sick, its so easy to ski the top! i hate neck deep snow!
Sep 28 2011 9:51PM
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chiefbroseph
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ohhh sick bro! you really know what your talking about! i pay no attention to athlets skiing backwards and jibbing in the back country! deep and steep is my style broooo! 100+ waist is for pussys!
go back to TGR where you belong!
Sep 28 2011 10:21PM
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smuggs
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fer shizzle!
Sep 28 2011 10:59PM
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andstuff
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I like rockered skis for skiing trees and pillow lines. However, if I'm sending it in the BC, I find rockered skis to be too bouncy. For going big in pow, I like a ski thats around fairly wide, no rocker, and stiff as a rock.

I actually think its easier to stomp switch pow landings on Watch Lifes than on Hellbents. I can't ride soft skis, and if they're rockered it makes the problem even worse.

Sep 29 2011 12:01AM
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Parrish
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LOL at brogus basin.
Sep 29 2011 12:39AM
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HolySchimmel
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awww man, when I saw this threads titly, I just had to post this vid :P
Sep 29 2011 4:20AM
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Pow.yuHdig*
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op you and ur crew sound like huge gapers
Sep 29 2011 10:56AM
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Fucktown
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oh sick, it just snowed 6 feet in the last few days, this never happens! Im gonna take out my 50 waist width volants from when my dad was a kid and get some core shots from rocks... its so hard to ski these in powder! I love deep snow!

I like floating on top of nice snow, not sinking down to the shit beneath

Sep 29 2011 12:08PM
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Furrer92
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its so much fun to dip your noses under the snow when you have rockered skis,they just submarine under then shoot up back out.
Sep 29 2011 12:19PM
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iSmokeweed
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just about every pro skis with 100+ in the back country, or on big mountain. im sure that they are not all pussies.
Sep 29 2011 12:28PM
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smuggs
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dip back out? if it snows 5 feet u gotta stay down there, choke, get 100 over the head face shots in a row in snow up to your neck and emerge, get back in line and do it again. days like that dont happen often

i think an appropriate time for rocker, would be if it snowed like 5 inches that would help make the day better, thats when u really want to be on top.

different strokes for different folks.
Sep 29 2011 12:45PM
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Furrer92
Posts: 784 - Karma: 341
thats why you gotta keep the motion going, you sink down, pop up, point noises and repeat. Agreed, definitely try and tell someone what to ski, just something i enjoy doing
Sep 29 2011 1:02PM
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.nasty
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fuck the haters. after skiing rockered skis I'll never go back to something with full camber, I can rail GS turns on something with absolutely no camber as well as a racer can with race skis.
Sep 29 2011 1:19PM
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tomPietrowski
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Thats a bit of a stupid comment, a reverse camber ski or even a rocker-camber cmbo ski will not carve any thing like as well as a full camber, stiff, narrow waisted race ski.

I remember when rocker was first coming along, I was really stocked for it. I thought it was a really good idea and would help progress the sport. I spoke to allot of people in the industry and was surprised not many thought it would work, most thought it was a fad. I even spoke to the designer of scott skis who said he would never make a ski with rocker. 6 years later how things have changed. Everyone embraces rocker now, even piste skiers are getting in on the act. Im glad it worked well and allot of the credit must go to k2 and some extent to Armada. Good to see that the more freeride brands are now the ones helping the sport progress.

I think what is more interesting now though, is to see what happens next, I personly think its going to be a change to sidecut for regular skis, and hopefully a much differnt edge system for park skis. Lets see though.

Sep 29 2011 1:43PM
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.nasty
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it was more of an exaggeration.... FKNA...
Sep 29 2011 1:51PM
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SKI.ING
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Dumped big in tahoe last season and I wouldn't have traded rockered skis for traditional camber anytime. If its 1.5-- 2ft. or more I'm bringing out the pow skis. when its deep you can still sink them but they don't missile dive like traditional camber.
Sep 29 2011 2:15PM
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smuggs
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there is a difference in neck deep utah blower, and sierra cement. i should have made that more clear, but i didnt want to get location involved in a ski discussion.

ill rephrase when in utah, on a 5 foot day, backwards skis are a waste of snow.
Sep 29 2011 2:45PM
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AWALLRUS.
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HAH, TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF.
Sep 29 2011 5:05PM
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DaysToCome
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im all for it. but they do kinda feel like cheating when you first get on them
Sep 29 2011 10:40PM
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SSteezle
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I agree with this but i've found that some skis are too fat or rockered and it makes it too hard to bury my tips without them wanting to surface
Sep 29 2011 10:55PM
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SKI.ING
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^Guess I've never encountered this problem because that Sierra snow really drags you down and weighs the front tips down. Never thought about it contributing to skiing like that but maybe the heavier snow does add that aspect?
Sep 29 2011 11:17PM
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Melvs
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Having just spent a season skiing at Bogus I can assure you that hardly anyone who skis there has a fucking clue about anything.
Sep 30 2011 7:56AM
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sandybov.ill
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Rockers all the way, pow or no pow. It's just plain more fun!
Sep 30 2011 10:09AM
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Parrish
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oh really now?

yea, you're right.
Sep 30 2011 1:55PM
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